The Official Pioneer 9G non-Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 22

Originally Posted by optivity

Is he playing football for the NY Giants?

I'm looking forward to seeing them "repeat" this year on my PRO-150FD.

Originally Posted by Thebarnman

Also, if the oppo 980 can output 480i via HDMI that would even be better.

Originally Posted by jgreeson

You're completely missing the fact that there is a new download on the website that has all of the images that are displayed in the DVD in JPEG format. From there, you can run a slideshow of those images in a folder on a USB drive to run your break-in.

Originally Posted by Rol

Well after breaking in my 6020 the past 5 days I ran a quick HCFR calibration before running off to work this morning using just the regular user controls, since the 8G service menu access code would not work on my panel. I am using a Spyder 2 sensor with a Get Gray disc fed into my A2 via hdmi at 1080i. I tried 480i, but the picture was way smoother on 1080i scaled to 1080p via dot to dot mode. I set the white level at 35ftL and the black level at .231ftL on a 10% grey window. I know the Spyder 2 is not that accurate with low luminance levels, so I double checked my black level with a grey stepped ramp. Looked good to my eyes with all the proper visable steps present in the ramp. I finished my color adjustments in the CIE chart where green and red are running high, while blue is spot on. Did I mention I neeed the access code for the service menu and RGB controls? I then ran a Gray Scale test and found a fairly straight line, but not at 6500k. I was close at 6250k, but obviously there is room for improvement. I have attached my color temp chart for those who are interested. One thing I came accross that was a little odd to me was that once I hit 35ftL on HCFR with the contrast at 41 on the set no adjustment above 41 would raise the white level. I tried other modes like standard or sports which produced 40ftL, but it really compromised the gray scale. Don't get me wrong the set has lot's of punch with 35ftL, but it would be nice to have some head room down the road with an older set. This display is replacing a 7 year old HD RPcrt that had great black levels and I can safely say that the Kuro lives up to all the hype. I watch movies in a very dark room and the idle luminance of the Kuro is not distracting while watching in this low light enviorment. Is it perfect, no, but plenty good enough for my movie watching. The great black levels I was expecting, but what really impressed me about this set was the processing. Every type of video I throw at this set looks better than my smaller Hitachi panel(32') and my Panny 9uk(42"). There is just less noise, color banding and dithering on lesser sources that prove so challenging on digital displays. The only negative comment I have on this set is at 13' I can still hear a slight buzz in a totally silent room, but that buzz disappers once I turn on any other device like my sat box or A2. That's it for now.................

Originally Posted by Aetherhole

Thanks. I guess I'll make sure my brother can come and help me assemble and lift it into place.

Originally Posted by luvnhateSony

So your saying if you owned a 110 and replaced it with a 111 you wouldnt notice that much of a difference?

Originally Posted by ylnad123

So just to get this straight. When the tv is doing the upconverting the status line is still going to display what the original signal is? It isn't going to tell you that it upconverted it? With the exception of noticing a better picture, is there anyway to know that the tv is doing the upconverting?

Originally Posted by D-Nice

Better color characteristics based on your room.

Originally Posted by cdled

I popped in to note my impressions of the 6020,6010,50PZ800U and 58PZ750U I saw almost side-by-side in my local store, in a relatively dark room. The Panasonics and the 6020 we arranged in a pi shape, the 750U being the center and the 6020 on the left, whereas the 6010 was exactly on the 6020's back facing the other way. They were all fed with 300 on Bluray.

I couldn't tell much difference between the 6020 and 6010 apart from the 6010's skin tones looking slightly more red (brown in 300's lighting). Pricing for the 6020 was +1k than 6010, not sure if justified, probably not. On the Panasonics now, I have to say that the new one is a big improvement, however it is true that the Pioneer has better blacks but not by that much. I feel that the new Pioneers need to be priced competitively to sell well, they don't stand out as much as they did last year.

Originally Posted by Aetherhole

So I went to South Coast Mall here in So Cal and checked out the 6020 next to the 5010. First things first, in regards to black levels - there indeed is a difference. At first glance I couldn't really tell, but after sitting down and with very brief glancing back and forth the differences became truly obvious. The blacks indeed are blacker on the 9th gen. The most obvious point where one could tell the black level difference was when the black screen with the Blu-ray logo on the demo they ran appeared. Comparing directly, the 8th gen has a slightly bluer tint to the blacks. The blacks seemed to have disappeared better on the 6020. The other thing I noticed was the color reproduction; the colors were a tad deeper all around. the 6020 looked more rich and had a bit more depth to the image. The peak brightness seemed about the same. Shadow detail and such looked fantastic. The shadows looked a bit more realistic on the faces displayed on the 9th gen. There were plenty of sequences in the demo with tons of black on the screen and plenty of contrast that really showed what the set was able to do with mixed contrast images.

Overall, I am VERY impressed with the 9th gen set compared directly with the 8th gen. And to those saying that you likely wouldn't be able to tell a difference when they are separated, I believe that to be highly unlikely. The blacks have been improved a decent amount that those who've owned an 8th gen would likely be able to easily appreciate the difference when they get the 9th gen home.

This truly makes me excited for when my 151 comes home.

Also, the girl I talked to said they are expecting the 151's in 2-3 weeks.

Originally Posted by ylnad123

So just to get this straight. When the tv is doing the upconverting the status line is still going to display what the original signal is?

It isn't going to tell you that it upconverted it?

With the exception of noticing a better picture, is there anyway to know that the tv is doing the upconverting?

Originally Posted by cdled

I popped in to note my impressions of the 6020,6010,50PZ800U and 58PZ750U I saw almost side-by-side in my local store, in a relatively dark room. The Panasonics and the 6020 we arranged in a pi shape, the 750U being the center and the 6020 on the left, whereas the 6010 was exactly on the 6020's back facing the other way. They were all fed with 300 on Bluray.

I couldn't tell much difference between the 6020 and 6010 apart from the 6010's skin tones looking slightly more red (brown in 300's lighting). Pricing for the 6020 was +1k than 6010, not sure if justified, probably not. On the Panasonics now, I have to say that the new one is a big improvement, however it is true that the Pioneer has better blacks but not by that much. I feel that the new Pioneers need to be priced competitively to sell well, they don't stand out as much as they did last year.

Originally Posted by gus738

cdled while i agree everyone has their opinon and what not i take it you hav not read this review

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=4103

Originally Posted by audiovideo

First of all - I noticed that the Pio 6020's doesn't have a native VGA connector so I guess if I want to connect a HTPC to my new Pioneer 6020 on the way it will have to be via HDMI....does anyone have any experience with it? Anyone connect a PC via HDMI and how does it overscan or does it fit right?

Also I keep hearing about this break-in DVD - where can I buy that or get it?

Originally Posted by gus738

Rol welcome to the forum quick suggestion please space lol excellent review but not everyone can or wants to read as much as some of us hardcore kuro fans


luvnhatesony i gotta disagree with him robert who saw an 8g elite and a 9g elite said otherwise so by this i mean no disrespect to him but robert and d-nice said it would be a noticeable inprovement and if thats not enough do the test to your self.




D-nice I got confirmation on the PRO-111FD schld to arrive in bestbuy on june 29th




ylnad forget anything bro just run the oppo 980 hdmi to the kuro directly and you'll benefit from the kuro upconverting/scaling

Originally Posted by luvnhateSony

Im confident, especially based on what Robert himself witnessed, that once I have the 111 at my home I will see whatever notable improvement over the 110.

Looks like since your in CA your BB Mag's probably have the perk of being one the first to get the 111's. I tried asking the manager at my local BB when they can expect there shipment of 111's and he said he actually spoke to his pioneer rep recently, specificly about the shipment of the 111's, and they suposedly told him they didnt know

I dont understand how his pioneer rep couldnt even give him a ball park as to when to expect them I guess I'll just have to continue to wait....

Originally Posted by gus738

well if it makes you feel any better in store demo is not a good judgement but what makes it soo good for bestbuy to have it is that one im going to be paying employee cost and two it will be very very soon. all i hope is that theirs is no step back maybe in delay shipment by pioneer and my bud's come through

Originally Posted by DAMAC

I agree. Keep the back straight and bend those knees. That is what I try to do, anyway.

Originally Posted by FocusedOne

) ... and the difference was night and day ...

Originally Posted by Aetherhole

I agree that in-store demos are not the best to get the most accurate results. In my case, when I compared the 5010 to the 6020, both were in store, right next to each other, so both were on equal playing grounds and I was told by the employee helping me that the settings were as close to the same as possible (probably hinting to some limitations between one or both sets).

Originally Posted by cdled

I popped in to note my impressions of the 6020,6010,50PZ800U and 58PZ750U I saw almost side-by-side in my local store, in a relatively dark room. The Panasonics and the 6020 we arranged in a pi shape, the 750U being the center and the 6020 on the left, whereas the 6010 was exactly on the 6020's back facing the other way. They were all fed with 300 on Bluray.

I couldn't tell much difference between the 6020 and 6010 apart from the 6010's skin tones looking slightly more red (brown in 300's lighting). Pricing for the 6020 was +1k than 6010, not sure if justified, probably not. On the Panasonics now, I have to say that the new one is a big improvement, however it is true that the Pioneer has better blacks but not by that much. I feel that the new Pioneers need to be priced competitively to sell well, they don't stand out as much as they did last year.