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post #6991 of 14721
1/22/09 at 8:37am
Nice deal!!!
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post #6992 of 14721
1/22/09 at 9:18am
I thought they were not honoring the price match because Pioneer dropped the price?
My Best Buy has one left! Maybe they can price match another company. As I doubt I will be able to wait for the slow shipping truck!
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1/22/09 at 9:19am
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post #6994 of 14721
1/22/09 at 9:49am
so im getting ready to go to a store that has the 6020 and the 151 in the same room if not next to each other. i am guessing that i should print off D-Nices settings and set the 6020 to movie mode and set D-Nice settings and im not sure what i should set the 151 at, pure mode i think but is there anything else i should do when i go? this will help me narrow down the choice to either 6020 or 151 (the going to a store and looking at it part)

Thanks.
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post #6995 of 14721
1/22/09 at 9:51am
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Originally Posted by techtvman View Post

so im getting ready to go to a store that has the 6020 and the 151 in the same room if not next to each other. i am guessing that i should print off D-Nices settings and set the 6020 to movie mode and set D-Nice settings and im not sure what i should set the 151 at, pure mode i think but is there anything else i should do when i go? this will help me narrow down the choice to either 6020 or 151 (the going to a store and looking at it part)

Thanks.

Still 1K extra for short term investment is MUCHO DINAR$$$$$
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post #6996 of 14721
1/22/09 at 9:59am
i know!, im leaning towards the 6020, but unless my eyes and wallet say differently when i go to view them in person
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post #6997 of 14721
1/22/09 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post


Issue #1
I have issues with the operation of the OTA DTV tuner. When I select a digital TV station, the tuner (apparently) loses the signal and then "re-boots". The only way to re-gain the signal is to power cycle the TV.

I would estimate that I can maintain a channel lock for about 30-60 seconds. I have four other OTA digital tuners from different manufacturers and different vintages that work without a hitch, so I do not think there are issues with my antenna signal.

I realize that different generations of tuners can have varying performance from the same antenna signal. I have a pre-amp on the antenna and am also using a two-way splitter to route the signal to two devices in the room.

I found posts on this thread concerning similar issues with the digital tuner, but it did not appear there was either recognition or resolution of the problem.

Issue #2
This past weekend, I tried to use HMG to stream music files from a Ready NAS server. At first, I was still in the digital tuner mode, and the menu system would disappear after a brief period. I realized this could be related to the issue above, so I switched to the analog tuner, which resolved the disappearing menu problem.

When either the digital tuner or the analog tuner were selected, the Ready NAS did not appear in HMG's list of servers. I have sucessfully streamed music from the Ready NAS to a Denon AVP, so I think the DNLA settings in the server are correct.

I searched in the thread, but could not find any posts related to this specific problem. I am now wondering if this could be related to the fact that I was using the TV tuner? I did not attempt to access the Ready NAS while an HDMI input was selected.

Thanks for any assistance / insight into these problems.

Mark


Is there anyone that experienced the above issues? I am not sure what to do. I suspect a call to Pioneer would be futile.

Makr

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Originally Posted by Dragon Reborn View Post

Regarding your first issue, I have had the same problem with a couple channels for OTA. The Kuro would consistently reboot on those channels. A couple OTA channels (which always had the best signals on analog tvs) never reboot. So, I suspect it may be a signal strength issue?

(doesn't really bother me, though, as I use a STB and have not tried anything other than an old pair of rabbit ears for OTA just to see what I could get)

I checked it out this weekend, and found a channel that was fine for about an hour before re-booting. So I suspect you are right about the signal quality issue. I have never had signal quality issues on other tuners used, so I think this is something that Pioneer should fix.

I think there is a 6G ATSC tuner in this unit, and it should not have trouble pulling down signals that my 3G, 4G, and 5G tuners can manage.

I suppose this problem is also related to my inability to access the HMG, but more testing is needed. I could not test much last weekend.

Mark
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post #6998 of 14721
1/22/09 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by jvcjbl View Post

Mine that I bought from work (best buy) had the yellow sheet on the top of the tv taped to the foam wrapper... it clearly explained how to first power up the set. Could it be the later build dates? Mine is September of 2008

Right now the warehouses are stocked with the older build date units like Aug and Sept. I have been told Pioneer next warehouse shipments will be delivered by next week with build dates of Nov and Dec.
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1/22/09 at 10:52am
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Originally Posted by techtvman View Post

so im getting ready to go to a store that has the 6020 and the 151 in the same room if not next to each other. i am guessing that i should print off D-Nices settings and set the 6020 to movie mode and set D-Nice settings and im not sure what i should set the 151 at, pure mode i think but is there anything else i should do when i go? this will help me narrow down the choice to either 6020 or 151 (the going to a store and looking at it part)

Thanks.

Please report back to us whn you have a chance after yout inspection..

THANKS
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post #7000 of 14721
1/22/09 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by gotchaforce View Post

This has probably been discussed but when i was looking at pioneers at bestbuy the guy said they discontinued the 9G 5020 and thats why they were on sale this week. He said he cant even put one on order for me because they arent getting any more in. I dont see how they can be discontinuing them if they havent even announced the new 10G yet though...

I was told the same thing by Pioneer Canada in early January. They had no stock and they were not getting any more. He had no remorse or any suggestions. I found a 5020FD at a great price(even by today's deals!) and haven't looked back. Honestly, I don't know how a manufacturer can let a potential customer get away without throwing out a carrot. I guess he felt comfortable in his position at Pioneer.
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post #7001 of 14721
1/22/09 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by AlexInvision View Post

Right now the warehouses are stocked with the older build date units like Aug and Sept. I have been told Pioneer next warehouse shipments will be delivered by next week with build dates of Nov and Dec.

Been out all day.. where do you find the build dates on the units?

THANKS
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post #7002 of 14721
1/22/09 at 10:56am
Pioneer Kuros, and sony's XBR7/8 are /were so outrageously over priced comparative to competitors that SAMSUNG/PANASONIC were getting all the sales.

I do not despite lay offs, losses what other strategy Sony/Pioneer can use to be competitive sellers in this abysmal economy?

Or like BMW restrict production lol.

I think, people are aware of their technology superiority but over 100% mark up is too restrictive to their BUSH kinda STRATEGRY

People are generally ok, paying 20-25% extra but 100-150% extra is simply outrageous imho

They should better revise their strategic plans production to gain better market share.

If u look at gimmicks, LED back light/ 240Hz LCD, and Vizio can come out with both 52 inch set at under 2K, then how people will pay $7-8k for same technology with Sony/Pioneer class & logos
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post #7003 of 14721
1/22/09 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by WHM1 View Post

Been out all day.. where do you find the build dates on the units? THANKS

it's printed on the same tag as the serial number and located on the back of the panel. same Manf. date and serial # info is also on the outside of the shipping carton box.
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post #7004 of 14721
1/22/09 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by WHM1 View Post

Been out all day.. where do you find the build dates on the units?

THANKS

Always check both locations, on the box and on the back of the panel and make sure that they macth up.
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post #7005 of 14721
1/22/09 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by AlexInvision View Post

Always check both locations, on the box and on the back of the panel and make sure that they macth up.

This is great info. thanks, I'll be checking this when my 111fd is delivered.
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post #7006 of 14721
1/22/09 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by Patrick. View Post

If you mean the Home Theater review, the guy used standard mode for testing because he didn't know how to calibrate it. Movie mode will defeat EE at sharpness -15 but it can't produce single pixel lines. Meaning you'll be able to display content with no EE but it will be less sharp or detailed compared to a TV that can faithfully resolve single pixel lines without blurring them together.

Really, that's interesting.
Does anyone use these with an HTPC and get cleanly resolved single pixel text?
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post #7007 of 14721
1/22/09 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by dssturbo1 View Post

it's printed on the same tag as the serial number and located on the back of the panel. same Manf. date and serial # info is also on the outside of the shipping carton box.

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Originally Posted by AlexInvision View Post

Always check both locations, on the box and on the back of the panel and make sure that they macth up.

Thanks...

I still have mine in the box.. unopened. Waiting to have some work completed before we start moving TV s around. If I open the box I knew I would start playing with it....
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post #7008 of 14721
1/22/09 at 12:46pm
My 5020, delivered just a few days ago from a warehouse in Philly, says (on both panel and carton):
MFD. Jul. 2008

Isn't that an awful long time ago? Wazzup widdat? What's the oldest possible manufacture date?

Did I miss some firmware updates? Can the firmware be updated now?
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post #7009 of 14721
1/22/09 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by Syzygy View Post

My 5020, delivered just a few days ago from a warehouse in Philly, says (on both panel and carton):
MFD. Jul. 2008

Isn't that an awful long time ago? Wazzup widdat? What's the oldest possible manufacture date?

Did I miss some firmware updates? Can the firmware be updated now?

I would like know the answer to that also....
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post #7010 of 14721
1/22/09 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by 42041 View Post

Really, that's interesting.
Does anyone use these with an HTPC and get cleanly resolved single pixel text?

I have a PS3, 360 and laptop connected to my 6020 all the time which all are used with text at times, browsing etc. Even with the laptop connected via VGA at less than 1080 resolution, text readability is a non-issue for me on any device I use. It can only get better when I hookup a stronger PC via HDMI later with full 1080p.

If you want to see single pixels resolved perfectly however you can simply switch to HDMI PC Input mode on any hdmi connection. Comparing the HDMI video mode with the PC mode you can see that text becomes a little sharper and also see that normal video content is essentially unaffected (after all you can only resolve detail to the level that it exists in your content ).

That being said if you're the type of user that would be really annoyed by these type of things you might want to hold out for an Elite model or wait and see what the newer Plasmas offer later in the year....
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post #7011 of 14721
1/22/09 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by soulspy View Post

Anyone buy the 5020 from BestBuy?
I heard they have a 10% off coupon, which would be nice since you have TAX.
Would be nice if they would through in the BD51 too!

I got the BestBuy price. Don't know anything about a 10% off coupon. If it's available right now, I need to find it to adjust my price.
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post #7012 of 14721
1/22/09 at 1:04pm
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Movie mode will defeat EE at sharpness -15 but it can't produce single pixel lines.

During pro-calibration I reviewed a few patterns with David and we ended up with very clean lines at a setting -12 avoiding artificial edging as well as ringing. In fact in an earlier post one calibrator indicated that as a reason he went with Enhancer Mode 2 over Mode 1 in his calibration of a Kuro.

I understand that D-Nice's word has almost the force of law wrt this display technology and with good reason but there appears to be a bit of "calibrator's preference" at this level of detail. Movie mode is quite sharp on my display without any sense of artificial edges and even resolves text quite well.
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1/22/09 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by Syzygy View Post

My 5020, delivered just a few days ago from a warehouse in Philly, says (on both panel and carton):
MFD. Jul. 2008 Isn't that an awful long time ago? Wazzup widdat? What's the oldest possible manufacture date? Did I miss some firmware updates? Can the firmware be updated now?

i think the first 5020 models released had a June 2008 manf date.

not sure who you got it from, but if it was bb they have been known to buy large initial release quantities and have alot of stock to go through. i know they had some 5080 models that had may/june/2007 manf dates and were still selling through them in feb/march 2008.

for other sellers like the avs forums it just depends on which Pioneer Distibution center they order through.

I do not think there has been any software changes in the 9G model lines.
If there was then it would need to be installed by a service tech authorized by Pioneer. They do not release software upgrades for their plasma panels for the end user for install.

don't worry, welcome to the Kuro club and enjoy your new 5020
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post #7014 of 14721
1/22/09 at 1:32pm
I got the 5020 from Invision; the deal was so good that it beats Best Buy even after they dropped their price $1300 last weekend, and even beats Costco after they (just this week) went $200 lower than BB.

I am really enjoying it. Using Movie mode with adjustments (which need to be changed for some badly-produced DirecTV movies like Copying Beethoven).

I know that, in the past, service techs used the RS232 port for firmware updates. But this TV has an Ethernet port (which I haven't been able to figure out how to configure). Pioneer should start using that instead.
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post #7015 of 14721
1/22/09 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by Nascar Dog View Post

On the two 5020's I received (Returned the first one because of a dead pixel), there was a yellow sheet packed in with the remote that clearly indicated how to power the TV on the first time.

Did you guys not have this yellow sheet?

i have it..but I was so anxious to set up and turn on tv I ignored what I thought was some warranty card because of the yellow color
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post #7016 of 14721
1/22/09 at 1:53pm
Costco online has the 5020 and the 58 inch Panasonic. Nice prices on both.
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post #7017 of 14721
1/22/09 at 2:06pm
Check the UK Pioneer web page as they have USB updates for KURO's, user installable.

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Originally Posted by dssturbo1 View Post

i think the first 5020 models released had a June 2008 manf date.

not sure who you got it from, but if it was bb they have been known to buy large initial release quantities and have alot of stock to go through. i know they had some 5080 models that had may/june/2007 manf dates and were still selling through them in feb/march 2008.

for other sellers like the avs forums it just depends on which Pioneer Distibution center they order through.

I do not think there has been any software changes in the 9G model lines.
If there was then it would need to be installed by a service tech authorized by Pioneer. They do not release software upgrades for their plasma panels for the end user for install.

don't worry, welcome to the Kuro club and enjoy your new 5020
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post #7018 of 14721
1/22/09 at 2:28pm
I hope this isn't the wrong thread for this, but I have a few questions about this TV.

I just went and looked at this TV at Best Buy Magnolia, and it was definitely the prettiest of the bunch on the "wall-o-TVs". With Costco's pricing now, I'm very interested. A couple "negative" things I noticed (amongst the very many positives):

1. This TV seemed less bright, by a good margin, than some of the LCD TVs and even Plasmas around it. I wouldn't say it was "dim", but things being relative it didn't pop nearly as much as the others. No idea if the TV was calibrated down, but is this typical?

2. All the TVs on the wall were getting the same video feed, the Kuro's picture was easily 1/3 of a second delayed over the others, which nearly all seemed synced together. Why would this be? I realize perhaps it has more processing (giving it the better picture), but doesn't this open a can of worms regarding syncing audio and video from an outside source? Say a BluRay player feeding the TV through HDMI but feeding my receiver via Digital Out? Wouldn't my sound preceed my video by quite a bit? Is the solution calibrating delay at the receiver somehow? (I hope my Onyko can do this?)

Thanks guys!
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post #7019 of 14721
1/22/09 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by ShoutingMan View Post

I got the BestBuy price. Don't know anything about a 10% off coupon. If it's available right now, I need to find it to adjust my price.

Most of the time that coupon excludes Pioneer products. Look on the back of it before you try and use it.
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1/22/09 at 2:55pm
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Originally Posted by Tergon View Post

Check the UK Pioneer web page as they have USB updates for KURO's, user installable.

Yeah, and if you are in the US or Canada, just what are you going to do with a firmware that's designed for a UK model?

The UK and North America models are different from each other. So I don't think it would be very wise to try and hack the UK firmware to use on a North American model.
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