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post #8191 of 14941
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Originally Posted by The Natural View Post

Is it possible for the TV to get any type of burn in even if whatever you are watching goes into a sleep mode? Sometimes I fall asleep with my 360 on but it does dim down into a "stand by" where there screen goes dim.

If you have a tendency to sometimes fall asleep with the TV on ( like I do ) I strongly suggest turning on the Kuro's automatic OFF features. That will guarantee no more than 3 hours of a static screen in the worse case scenario. Set these under Power Control options.

btw. the 360 also has an auto shutoff option now, with recent updates.

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Originally Posted by Clint S.
Is that permanent IR or temporary IR?

I think Permanent IR = Burn-In.

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THis Tv really does an excellent job with IR and Burn in, its like impossible to get it on the 5020. And if you feel as if you damaged it even though you dont see any type of evidence just run the screen wipe. Even though i have no issues with the TV( im talking burn in and IR lol not the color adjustment arguments lmao which i have finally realized are a non issue) i still run the screen wipe just to be on the safe side. I usually run it once every week.

Hmm, an accurate and helpful post. Is that someone else using Stiles account?
post #8192 of 14941
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Originally Posted by Shuley View Post

I just bought a Pioneer 5020,and ordered Evangelo2's break-in dvd (still pending) since I want to use these tv settings. OK, a lil noobish here... So what do I do once I get the dvd?

Do I just pop in the dvd and leave it on for 150 hours,then use the settings? is that it?

Look at the first few posts on this thread for the info.

You say you "want to use these TV settings", you cannot use those break-in settings for TV viewing. At least that's how it was explained to me. See all the red text in those posts.
post #8193 of 14941
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Originally Posted by Clint S.
Is that permanent IR or temporary IR?

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Originally Posted by Dahlsim View Post

I think Permanent IR = Burn-In.

Naa, if you look at his post his mentioned both "IR" and "burn-in". http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post15762039 As if he was implying burn-in (permanent?) yes, IR (temporary?) no. So awaiting clarification on that.
post #8194 of 14941
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the infamous "missing controls" on the 5020 the gamma, and separate RGB adjustments?

Never had an 8G but as I understand it the adjustments in the 8G Non-Elite were essentially the built-in settings such as Color Temp, DRE, Noise reductions etc. Now instead of invidualy adjustments to those settings you have to select among the A/V modes to get alterations. You still have access to most of them indirectly by selecting different A/V modes but it's much less flexible.

Non-Elite Color adjustments were not much different from the posts I've read. In 8G you could access the RGB gains of the service menu via the remote but now with 9G you need ControlCal (or a service remote from Pioneer). The only other separate RGB controls I'm aware of are only accessible via the HDMI PC mode which the 9G has as well.

I'm still waiting for Stiles to tell me what color adjustments he would gain with the 8G?
post #8195 of 14941
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

Naa, if you look at his post his mentioned both "IR" and "burn-in". http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post15762039 As if he was implying burn-in (permanent?) yes, IR (temporary?) no. So awaiting clarification on that.

I think there is no doubt that permanent IR equals Burn in, too. These have becomes terms of art in these forums and I for one have never had any trouble in understanding that IR is transient and does no permanent damage to the display, whereas burn in is permanent, so it does do permanent damage to the display. D-Nice might have meant something else, of course, but I would be shocked and amazed it that turns out to be the case.
post #8196 of 14941
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Originally Posted by Dahlsim View Post

Never had an 8G but as I understand it the adjustments in the 8G Non-Elite were essentially the built-in settings such as Color Temp, DRE, Noise reductions etc. Now instead of invidualy adjustments to those settings you have to select among the A/V modes to get alterations. You still have access to most of them indirectly by selecting different A/V modes but it's much less flexible.

The 5020 has DRE. The 5020 has noise reduction that you can turn on/off for each channel, if that's what you're talking about by "noise reductions".

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Non-Elite Color adjustments were not much different from the posts I've read. In 8G you could access the RGB gains of the service menu via the remote but now with 9G you need ControlCal (or a service remote from Pioneer).

So where do you get one of those remotes!? I'm checking on that right now, and I see you can use the supplied remote with the right code. http://72.9.159.100/avs-vb/showthrea...7#post14578907 Does anyone know that code?
post #8197 of 14941
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

The 5020 has DRE. The 5020 has noise reduction that you can turn on/off for each channel, if that's what you're talking about by "noise reductions".

? The 5020 has DRE but you can't individually set/adjust it. You get whatever value it has in your selected A/V mode. Where are you seeing on/off noise reduction settings on the 5020?
post #8198 of 14941
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Originally Posted by Sonnydigs View Post

I am curious myself, I just don't see how a dry cloth can clean a screen..
I mean you are going to have fly specks or whatever...
Maybe Roman can suggest a cleaner that is safe...
Besides I didn't get a cleaning cloth with mine..
Sonny

Only soft cloth and a dab of distilled water if necessary, no cleaner period
post #8199 of 14941
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Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

Only soft cloth and a dab of distilled water if necessary, no cleaner period

Thanks..................
post #8200 of 14941
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I think there is no doubt that permanent IR equals Burn in, too.

Sure. But that's wasn't the question......


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These have becomes terms of art in these forums and I for one have never had any trouble in understanding that IR is transient and does no permanent damage to the display, whereas burn in is permanent, so it does do permanent damage to the display.

Well, perhaps that's because you're been around here since 2004 and have 4800+ posts. I haven't and I don't. Therefore the reason I had to ask. I've seen members use both "IR" and "burn-in" interchangeably to mean the same thing. Now I know that usage is in error.
post #8201 of 14941
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Originally Posted by Dahlsim View Post

? The 5020 has DRE but you can't individually set/adjust it. You get whatever value it has in your selected A/V mode.

Ahhh, ok, thanks.

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Where are you seeing on/off noise reduction settings on the 5020?

If you go into the (analog or DTV?) tuner setup area, for each channel there is "Noise reduction........on/off". It may be for both TV and DTV, I can't remember now.

What about my question on the remote?
post #8202 of 14941
Doug I'm confused about a few things here:

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Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn View Post

NEVER EVER leave anything stationary on the screen for more than 15 to 30 seconds (this changes as you accumulate hours, after 200 hours or so, you could show a family photo for a minute or so and nothing bad will happen).

So pausing a recorded TV show on screen for ~5 minutes can damage the screen? Reason I ask that, is my VCR will pause for 5 minutes, then it's released. Sometimes I'll pause when I leave the room for a few seconds, and that "moment" becomes a much longer time. I guess I could get into the habit of stopping it, but I'd still like to know.

You say never leave anything stationary on the screen for more than 30 sec. during the first ~200 hrs. What about the window that stays on screen for about 30 or more minutes while doing a channel scan? Yet here......

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It is perfectly fine to watch a movie or 4:3 standard def programming for 2 or 3 hours at a time, but you should then use a full-screen source for at least as long... if the movie was 2 hours, view full-screen content for 2 or 3 hours before another movie or 4:3 programming. Use a stretch mode for 4:3 programming so there aren't any black bars.

....There you're essentially saying it's ok to watch something with side bars for 2-3 hours, obviously much longer than 30 sec. Or, is what you're saying there inclusive for all TV viewing--use a stretch mode for everything for the first 200 hrs. so they're no bars?


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History Channel has one of the most obnoxious logos... opaque, 100% white, 100% red, bright yellow... idiots. I wouldn't leave that on the screen for more than 40 minutes or so during the first 50 hours.

Sorry, but confused again here. The logos are stationary, and you said above stationary images should be no longer than 30 seconds. And as you pointed out, some are quite dark, contrasty and obnoxious.


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After you get 200 hours+ on the panel, that logo shouldn't be a problem unless you view that channel for 4 or 6 hours at a time - that's pushing things a bit.

So I guess all day station marathons are out of the question? Or is that ok if you change channels every once in a while?

Sorry for the clarification questions, I just want to be sure about all this.
Thanks.
post #8203 of 14941
I should have stated with the reccomendation for a micro-fiber lens cloth, to use distilled or R/O water if needed.
post #8204 of 14941
i had read somewhere on ans before to use 50%alcohol and 50% distilled water and use a micofiber cloth to clean secreens...i used this on my panny can i use this method on the 5020???


fiddlyD\\
post #8205 of 14941
No need to bring alcohol into it, if the dry cloth isn't enough(which it is for anything non-sticky) then just add the use of ditilled or R/O water.
I can't imagine anything so aweful that the cloth and distilled water with a little elbow grease couldn't remove it getting on the screen.
But then again, I don't have kids....but they would need to paint it or something along those lines.
post #8206 of 14941
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Originally Posted by fiddlyd View Post

i had read somewhere on ans before to use 50%alcohol and 50% distilled water and use a micofiber cloth to clean secreens...i used this on my panny can i use this method on the 5020???

I definitely would not have alcohol in it. Especially not after reading what I quoted in my post above from the 5020 manual.
post #8207 of 14941
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

I should have stated with the reccomendation for a micro-fiber lens cloth, to use distilled or R/O water if needed.

I should have also stated that, I forgot. Tap water is horrible; polluted, mineral content, chlorine, fluoride, etc. I need to change that in my post.
post #8208 of 14941
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

I should have stated with the reccomendation for a micro-fiber lens cloth, to use distilled or R/O water if needed.


Sorry but I don't know what R/O water is......
Sonny
post #8209 of 14941
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Originally Posted by Clint S. View Post

Well, perhaps that's because you're been around here since 2004 and have 4800+ posts. I haven't and I don't. Therefore the reason I had to ask. I've seen members use both "IR" and "burn-in" interchangeably to mean the same thing. Now I know that usage is in error.

OK, understood. Thanks for the clarification.
post #8210 of 14941
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Originally Posted by nornet View Post

I'm not blaming anything or anyone. In my post I said that inspite of a proper breakin period and techniques, my Pio has IR and some minor burn in.

I'd be very suprised to find true burn-in, unless it was a faulty panel or it was abused as far as no screen wipes, never stretching, playing a game with a HUD for far too long, etc.



Sonny....Reverse Osmosis, can use Deionized water as well. Most grocery stores sell distilled and/or R/O even RODI water. Mine has 25 cents per gallon machines outside and they sell the contain./carriers.\\
But distilled in a bottle off the shelf will do.
post #8211 of 14941
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

I'd be very suprised to find true burn-in, unless it was a faulty panel or it was abused as far as no screen wipes, never stretching, playing a game with a HUD for far too long, etc.



Sonny....Reverse Osmosis, can use Deionized water as well. Most grocery stores sell distilled and/or R/O even RODI water. Mine has 25 cents per gallon machines outside and they sell the contain./carriers.\\
But distilled in a bottle off the shelf will do.

Thanks....
Sonny
post #8212 of 14941
Any problem with using those Swiffer dusters?
post #8213 of 14941
I used the Monster cleaner once on my 5020 and let me tell you that it leaves streaks everywhere. I know it says it doesn't but they are full of sh*t.
It took me over 1 hour to clean the screen after wards to get it streak free. What a pain in the a**. The cloth that comes with the set does not get rid of fingerprints or smudges so I gave the Monster cleaner a try...well NEVER again. Next time I will use just distilled water when need other than that I just use the swifter duster lightly on the panel and the bezel when needed.
post #8214 of 14941
For those that do the break-in on your 5020, how do you monitor the hours you run it? Is there a way to display how many hours you used it?

Thanks
post #8215 of 14941
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Originally Posted by srgilbert View Post

Any problem with using those Swiffer dusters?

Do they have any chemicals on them?



srgilbert....like school, take notes/make a log, at least that's what I've done in the past.
post #8216 of 14941
Has anybody had a problem with the 5020 turning off/on (restarting) while channel surfing from an OTA signal?

I bought a 5020 about two weeks ago and once or twice a day it will just restart between channel changes, no certain channels or time of day……The blue power lights stays on during this from what I can tell and I am using the supplied remote.

No problems have been experienced with my Blu-Ray player that’s the only other source that I have… No cable or Sat.

Cheers
Kelly
post #8217 of 14941
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Originally Posted by KellyW View Post

Has anybody had a problem with the 5020 turning off/on (restarting) while channel surfing from an OTA signal?

I bought a 5020 about two weeks ago and once or twice a day it will just restart between channel changes, no certain channels or time of dayThe blue power lights stays on during this from what I can tell.

No problems have been experienced with my Blu-Ray player that's the only other source that I have No cable or Sat.

Cheers
Kelly

Did you install the new firmware update????
Sonny
post #8218 of 14941
byebye
post #8219 of 14941
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Originally Posted by Sonnydigs View Post

Did you install the new firmware update????
Sonny

Hi Sonny,

No I have not, I have skimmed over the many post in this thread for the past few months and must have missed firmware updates or how to do them..Guess I need to do some more reading

Thanks!
Kelly
post #8220 of 14941
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Originally Posted by Sonnydigs View Post

Did you install the new firmware update????
Sonny

Good god what if it fails?
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