The Official Pioneer 9G non-Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 305

Are you in Coral Springs?

D-nice calibrated my 5020.

All PC modes(Not sure about Optimum) including Movie Mode will convert to the original Gray Scale when placed in Advanced Mode.

So if you wanted to, you can change Movie mode from standard back to advanced and and see the original settings.

You can actually do a comparison of the pre and post calibration , just not side by side.

From what I understand from earlier postings (by D-nice), in order to watch 24fps Blu-Ray movies in the 72hz mode (3:3 pulldown) the PureCinema needs to be in Off or Advanced mode.
So the question is, it it possible to apply service mode changes (using ControlCal) to either the PC off or advanced mode?? That would be idea since one can watch 24fps movies with the adjusted greyscale in say PC Advance mode (72hz) and use the untouched greyscale for say watching HD TV by switching to PC Standard.
Any thoughts?

nah west miami

D-Nice is coming to calibrate my Samsung LCD tomorrow, I will ask Him.

Thanks. Please let me know.

I know you found your answer already but I wanted to post here..

There is no native OS X version of ControlCAL. ControlCAL requires XP or Vista.

Many people run ControlCAL on their Mac's using Boot Camp, VMFusion or Parallels (of course running XP or Vista). I use and recommend Fusion, Unity is just awesome.

The names of the features can actually be helpful here. "Pure Cinema" is actually focused on FILM content aka Cinema which is usually captured at 24fps. Hockey is not film content, it'll be 60fps most likely so you can process it in Standard way (PC:Standard) or leave Pure Cinema OFF.

The A/V settings for "Movie Mode" will set it's white point based on "Movie" type standards. The whites are based on movie and television standards and generally accurate even for TV but if they don't seem white enough then you have modes like "Sports"and "Standard" which will have brighter white levels.

So really the feature names are somewhat leading you to their intended usage. If you don't like Movie Mode on hockey then try Sports or Standard which you can customize the setting for. You can also choose "Optimum" which has brighter whites as well and require no adjustment at all.

Pure Cinema Off, Standard and Smooth share the same grayscale settings so you can switch among those freely after calibration. It's only Pure Cinema Advanced that reverts to orginal grayscale.

The reason I ask is that D-Nice calibrated my 6020 this morning and he told me he had another job in Coral Springs. I know exactly how you feel! Im extremely pleased with the results I got after D's calibration. Ive been watching "The Dark Knight" all day.........I cant recommend his services enough.

Thanks Dahlsim.
But 2 questions remain:
1. Will setting PureCinema to off give me 72hz with 1080p24 source?
2 What effect setting PureCinema to Advanced has when using AV Standard or Optimum or Sports, when watching HD material on cable?

Thanks for your Report (and posts in the other Threads)..

Are you going to Post your CalMAN Report/Chart? You can Post/attach them Here if you like.

He did mine at 9am so i think i was first haha thats the same movie i put on right after and i was just simply amazed at the quality of the picture it was pristine! the whites improved tremendously as well. they actually look white now haha.

also agree with you that d-nice does an excellent job and i as well recommend him without a shadow of a doubt!

don't have them yet, as soon as i do i will

Please see this recent post:



All of the A/V modes will share same global grayscale that you calibrate unless you put a mode in PC:Advanced in which case any video mode set to PC:Advanced will use the old grayscale.

You shouldn't worry about 1080p support.
All Pure Cinema modes support 1080p.
The difference is in 24p support.
Don't pay attention to those @72Hz and so on. Leave that for somebody else. Those gimmicks will just distract you from the practical point.
The only valid criterion is "smoother motion" or "no smoother motion".
In Off and Smooth modes you simply don't have the advantage of 24p (smoother motion). As clearly seen from the test, Standard and Advance modes provide 24p advantage - smoother motion. No one here have posted any facts opposite to that.
I cannot imagine any problem if you use Advance at all times. I do so. You always have 1080p and also 24p when available.
When you get your 5020 calibrated, you can stay with Standard mode. According to turbe, calibration is valid for this mode too.
So in Standard mode you don't have to sacrifice 24p support in favour of calibrated colors as you have to in Off mode. In Standard (again according to turbe) you can have both excellent colors and advantage of 24p (smoother motion).
Enjoy!


It does not matter whatever has been said about the number of Hz. I am (and everyone is) interested in 24p smoother motion in fact, practically on the screen. In this regard Off mode does not look better than regular 1080p (non-24p) = no smoother motion.
So there is no need to talk about Off mode.
We have Standard and Advance and that's enough to be happy with 24p support. Don't worry.

I assume you are not interested specificly in number of Hz. You will not be watchig Hz on your TV. Right?
What you are interested in is visibly smother motion picture (24p effect). Right?

As soon as you are a practical user of 5020, you don't have to ask this question.
Use your 5020 by yourself for yourself.
Perfom this test accurately (it's not painful) and see everything with your own eyes.
The difference is visible. You will see it too.

Does it matter which of the X-rite hardware offerings in the Spectracal bundles one uses to achieve the best desired results? Clearly there is a $450 difference from the lowest to the highest which implies some significance.

Also, if I wanted to calibrate my Mitsu DLP TV, can I do it with the bundle I will use on the 5020 and 6020?

Ah, you guys are making me jealous. D-Nice is willing to come to Ohio if there are 6 of us. Right now there are only 3 and it doesn't look like we're going to get the other 3.

Of course, I don't know why he would be in FL today when he could be in Ohio. It's a balmy 22F, feels like 13F with the windchill.

Enjoy those calibrated Kuros!! Blue

You are correct! But you might just prefer to watch everything in the calibrated MOVIE mode after seeing how great it looks.

still waiting to get a 5020, but tying to convince myself to spend
$2k in this economy.

was at circuit city today and saw the panny pz85 plasma at an enticing
price. went to those treads and saw disturbingly high amount of complaints
about lines on the screen and trails on fast motion. for $500.00 more
I think I'll play it safe and stick with the 5020. sometimes money saved may not be worth it.

For your Pioneer, D-Nice (and others) recommend the Chroma 5 or I1 Pro, not a Display 2.

Both the Chroma 5 and I1 Pro are used by many Professionals.

Your looking at a $200 difference to move up to Professional class equipment .

However, your Mits DLP may help provide you an answer


I would consider the I1 Pro for your situation.

you guys are getting me excited about my upcoming calibration.. thanks for making the wait harder

why are you still posting this stuff

24 p isnt an effect, it rids a source of telecine judder. film judder still exists on a 24p source

motion interpolation and to a lesser extent the smooth option on the kuros helps to alleviate film judder.

Please... everyone (the whole world actually) uderstands what 24p effect means. You don't like this definition - use another.

I am posting this because 24p support is one of the most demanded features of 5020.
That's why people are asking about it.
That's why I have chosen 5020.

If 24p effect = smoother motion does not exist for you, buy older products with no 24p support and enjoy.

It's important for those interested to know which one of Pure Cinema modes provide smoother motion (24p effect) on 1080p/24p material.
As the test shows, Standard and Advance provide 24p effect manifested as smoother motion than regular non-24p 1080p.
Off and Smooth modes are as jerky as regular 1080p. No benefit of 24p.

Ha Ha I have you both beat as D-nice calibrated my 5020 on Saturday evening he was here for about 3 hours...and YES my PQ never looked so good. My picture looks so good that my blacks believe it or not look blacker than before if that's possible. Even my wife noticed a huge difference when we watched some sample Blu-Rays and she is blind as a bat. (just kidding honey) When I receive my reports I will post them.
If anyone has the chance of using D-Nice to calibrate their 5020 I strongly recommend his services. He is very professional and believe me you will NOT be disappointed at all when he is finished. He is truly a 5020 genius. He did tell me that he might start doing national tours but not starting till the summer.
Once again thank you D-Nice for leaving me a unbelievable picture which I am sure I will enjoy for many years to come.

I hope D-Nice adds Minneapolis to a SUMMER tour. :-)
I'll be waiting with my 5020

D-Nice could answer this, but I'm pretty sure I read that Advanced wasn't able to remember the grayscale adjustments. That's why Off is used.

How often should 5020 be recalibrated to maintain accurate PQ?

Thanks for the calibration report. I've included in the flat panel (Post#2) list that's linked at the bottom of my post.