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post #31 of 885
5/30/08 at 6:24am
Has anybody been able to confirm TrueHD bitstreaming over HDMI? Vinnie97 mentioned only DTS-MA. What about direct downloading of the firmware via the network adaptor?
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post #32 of 885
5/30/08 at 6:25am
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Originally Posted by lalittle View Post

Does it require the "re-encode" setting to do this, or does it also re-encode to DTS even in the "Audiophile" mode? I guess the important question is: what happens with TrueHD tracks over the spdif outputs when the player is set to "audiophile" mode?

It does re-encode TrueHD 5.1 in audiophile mode. But it re-encodes as Dolby Digital 5.1 according to my receiver instead of DTS. If you chose re-encode, it will be output as DTS.

This is via optical.
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post #33 of 885
5/30/08 at 6:27am
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I could have sworn I herd something, not sure if I would describe it as a dropout, but it sounded like someone scratched a record really loud for a split second.....

I think that was a separate issue. Some people reported some sort of noise bursts, which sounds like what you're describing. The dropouts were just that -- VERY short moments of no audio.

Thanks again,

Larry
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post #34 of 885
5/30/08 at 6:28am
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It does re-encode TrueHD 5.1 in audiophile mode. But it re-encodes as Dolby Digital 5.1 according to my receiver instead of DTS. If you chose re-encode, it will be output as DTS.

This is via optical.

Are you sure it's re-encoding? Ph8te brought up an interesting point that the player could be accessing the hidden DD track in this situation.

Thanks again,

Larry
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post #35 of 885
5/30/08 at 6:29am
Jim, sorry, only got around to trying a DTS-MA disc so far and then something came up...hopefully someone can fill in on TrueHD bitstreaming.
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post #36 of 885
5/30/08 at 6:31am
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

Jim, sorry, only got around to trying a DTS-MA disc so far and then something came up...hopefully someone can fill in on TrueHD bitstreaming.

No prob, Vinnie. I suspect I have my answer from your post about DTS-MA. Unlikely we'd get one without the other.
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post #37 of 885
5/30/08 at 6:33am
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One more to add to the list, just tested AVP:R and did not hear any dropout at the beginning, like I did before....Cant watch the entire movie right now, but it looks like this may be fixed as well...
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post #38 of 885
5/30/08 at 6:34am
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Originally Posted by jimjr View Post

Has anybody been able to confirm TrueHD bitstreaming over HDMI? Vinnie97 mentioned only DTS-MA. What about direct downloading of the firmware via the network adaptor?

A member in the main thread verified bitstream of TrueHD 5.1.......
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post #39 of 885
5/30/08 at 6:35am
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Originally Posted by lalittle View Post

Are you sure it's re-encoding? Ph8te brought up an interesting point that the player could be accessing the hidden DD track in this situation.

Thanks again,

Larry

You're correct.

I have a HD DVD TrueHD disc (I Am Legend). When I use Audiophile mode, it outputs PCM 2.0 via optical.

I also have NT2 BD with TrueHD. When I use Audiophile mode, it outputs DD 5.1.

So this concludes that 5k does use the hidden DD 5.1 track if available in audiophile mode and will not transcode to DTS in audiophile mode.

Of course re-encode will encode tureHD 5.1 to DTS 5.1.
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post #40 of 885
5/30/08 at 6:37am
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

A member in the main thread verified bitstream of TrueHD 5.1.......

Thanks, Ph8te!

Edit: Sorry, must have missed it. I saw several posts about decoding TrueHD to analog and optical, but nothing about bitstreaming to HDMI. Which post were you looking at?
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post #41 of 885
5/30/08 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by lalittle View Post

Are you sure it's re-encoding? Ph8te brought up an interesting point that the player could be accessing the hidden DD track in this situation.

Thanks again,

Larry

I am not even sure how to test if it is decoding (internally) and sending the PCM stream via HDMI\\Analogs......

It should however send DD 5.1 via optical no matter what, I believe, if it decodes internally it should send PCM to the receiver when connected via analogs or HDMI, but again not sure on how we would test that......


SOrry I couldnt be of help with the dropouts, I did heard glitches though on JP:III, that are not present now though, so you may be in the clear...
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post #42 of 885
5/30/08 at 6:56am
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Originally Posted by jimjr View Post

Thanks, Ph8te!

Edit: Sorry, must have missed it. I saw several posts about decoding TrueHD to analog and optical, but nothing about bitstreaming to HDMI. Which post were you looking at?

I think someone moight have either mis posted or edited thier post, it was there earlier.....now I cant find it

I do have to say though if it is bitstreaming DTS MA, then I am guessing it will do TrueHD as well...
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post #43 of 885
5/30/08 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

I think someone moight have either mis posted or edited thier post, it was there earlier.....now I cant find it

I do have to say though if it is bitstreaming DTS MA, then I am guessing it will do TrueHD as well...

Yep. That's what I'm thinking, too.
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post #44 of 885
5/30/08 at 7:01am
any word on if it will play dts hd ma over the analogs? I know tru hd was confirmed but im also hoping for dts hd ma!
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post #45 of 885
5/30/08 at 7:03am
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any word on if it will play dts hd ma over the analogs? I know tru hd was confirmed but im also hoping for dts hd ma!

Clark, no way to tell over analogs, there has always been 5.1 sound for DTS MA tracks since there is a DTS 5.1 core track.....I wish there was someway to tgell, but I dont think there is......

Every disc in the past with a DTS MA track (at least for me) has always played a 5.1 track via analogs....
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post #46 of 885
5/30/08 at 7:09am
Ok, found some more time...Beowulf doesn't hang on a black screen for 2 minutes any longer (though the web update was slow as before, prolly need to delete some of the data in flash mem). It's also bitstreaming DD+. Did not detect the dropouts as previously but had the volume low.

Problem not fixed: 24fps flickering at the top of the screen in Beowulf. Haven't tested Disturbia yet where that also manifested but I guess the engineers didn't get enough complaints on the issue.
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post #47 of 885
5/30/08 at 7:24am
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hopefully someone will have an 1.1 or 1.2 receiver to see if the player is sending multichannel PCM for the True HD\\DTS MA tracks, I believe this would be one way to tell if the player is internally decoding the tracks for sure....Per the S&V mag and other sites, if the player internally decodes it sends the signal as PCM when using Analogs or HDMI....Not sure though what we would set the player to (PCM or Bitstream) to see if this works though...

VInnie dang well there are bound to be some bugs left, good to see some of them being fixed....I dont remember the "flicker" being on the list you have compiled though, I did send that list(link) to that Samsung contact a while back, wonder if they went over it?....LOL
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post #48 of 885
5/30/08 at 7:28am
Yea, drat...Not sure why I didn't get around to adding that refresh problem! I do remember it happening after all.
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post #49 of 885
5/30/08 at 7:34am
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

It should however send DD 5.1 via optical no matter what, I believe, if it decodes internally it should send PCM to the receiver when connected via analogs or HDMI, but again not sure on how we would test that......

See my answers here:

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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

You're correct.

I have a HD DVD TrueHD disc (I Am Legend). When I use Audiophile mode, it outputs PCM 2.0 via optical.

I also have NT2 BD with TrueHD. When I use Audiophile mode, it outputs DD 5.1.

So this concludes that 5k does use the hidden DD 5.1 track if available in audiophile mode and will not transcode to DTS in audiophile mode.

Of course re-encode will encode tureHD 5.1 to DTS 5.1.
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post #50 of 885
5/30/08 at 7:37am
Things I forgot to test (I'm at work now): playback of non-region locked PAL discs and AVCHD DVD-R discs. I will try these this evening.

Also the ability to play moive burnt on BD-R/RE discs needs to be tested (I don't have any of these). It doesn't work in old firmware.
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post #51 of 885
5/30/08 at 7:38am
Sweeeet! Just tested and I can confirm the bitstreaming of TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio into my Onkyo 885. It's nice to see some new words on the face of my processor. Unfortunately, I don't have any 7.1 discs, but the 5.1's sounded awesome. Startup time is significantly less as well. All in all, we now have the most awesome player on the market!
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post #52 of 885
5/30/08 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

See my answers here:

You cheated you changed your post LOL!!!!! you said DTS before...LOL j/k...

The later half (PCM) part was to see if the player was internally decoding and sending PCM (which shouldnt happen over optical, I dont think) or just grabbing the hidden DD 5.1 track......
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post #53 of 885
5/30/08 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by Fatawan View Post

All in all, we now have the most awesome player on the market!

We had. It's no longer available in most markets unfortunately.
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post #54 of 885
5/30/08 at 7:46am
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

You cheated you changed your post LOL!!!!! you said DTS before...LOL j/k...

No. I posted again

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The later half (PCM) part was to see if the player was internally decoding and sending PCM (which shouldnt happen over optical, I dont think) or just grabbing the hidden DD 5.1 track......

It does send PCM over optical as 2.0 if hidden track is not available, i.e. my HD DVD discs. Only BD discs have hidden DD tracks.

What I forgot to test is that if my HD DVD disc does have both TrueHD and DD+ track, will the player pick DD+ track to send over optical if I select TrueHD?
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post #55 of 885
5/30/08 at 7:46am
4:3 stretching not fixed.
I tried a couple discs, they still stretch to 16:9. Unless I am missing a setting or something.
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post #56 of 885
5/30/08 at 7:48am
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[quote=Foxbat121;13977141]No. I posted again



It does send PCM over optical as 2.0 if hidden track is not available, i.e. my HD DVD discs.[/QUOTE]

Interesting.....Hopefully someone with an HDMI can see if it will do multichannel PCM.......Not sure what the PCM 2.0 means as far as the decoding goes.......

Not sure if I have any discs that are missing the hidden track, I tried 30 Days of Night and Elizabeth TGS both played multichannel over Analog with bitstream and TrueHD selected...
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post #57 of 885
5/30/08 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by CrashX View Post

4:3 stretching not fixed.
I tried a couple discs, they still stretch to 16:9. Unless I am missing a setting or something.

It will "never" be fixed, this occurs on all Samsung players.....
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post #58 of 885
5/30/08 at 7:56am
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Originally Posted by Fatawan View Post

Sweeeet! Just tested and I can confirm the bitstreaming of TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio into my Onkyo 885. It's nice to see some new words on the face of my processor. Unfortunately, I don't have any 7.1 discs, but the 5.1's sounded awesome. Startup time is significantly less as well. All in all, we now have the most awesome player on the market!

Outstanding. I have an Integra 8.8, so I expect the same result.
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post #59 of 885
5/30/08 at 7:58am
Also, can someone with HDMI 1.3 receiver confirm bitstream of DD+? DD+ is a common format on HD DVDs.

Since the player outputs 5.1 to analog from TrueHD track even without any hidden track (on I Am Legend HD DVD disc I tested), I'm confident that TrueHD is indeed internally decoded (to PCM). If you set your player to output PCM, your HDMI receiver should receive LPCM 5.1 from TrueHD track.

I also have a DTS-MA 7.1 HD DVD disc but don't have a new receiver, so I can't test DTS-HD decoding via HDMI.
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post #60 of 885
5/30/08 at 7:58am
BD Tests - Round 1 - HDMI connection to Yamaha RX-V3800, Bitstream (Audiophile).


Spiderman (TrueHD Track)- Yamaha displays Dolby TrueHD. Shows 5.1

Simpsons (DTS-MA) - Yamaha displays DTS-HD MSTR, however it displays as 7.1....

POTE:AWE (PCM) - Yamaha dispays PCM, and the little icons show 5.1. They may have fixed the PCM bug, and just moved it over to DTS-MA.

More to come.
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