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post #691 of 885
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Originally Posted by Eric Busch View Post

My receiver only has 5.1 inputs so I'm connected with 6 RCA cables, but otherwise I'm basically seeing the same as you. My receiver simply displays "Multi Ch" when using the analog inputs, with no indication as to how many of those channels are actually being used (mono, stereo, 5.1, etc.), and as far as it's concerned I don't think there would be any way for it to differentiate between formats since they all get converted to analog by the player.

I assume you're doing this testing with titles that are actually 6.1 or 7.1? I think the only 7.1 title I own is Pan's Labyrinth, but as I said I only have a 5.1 system anyway. Do you have all seven channels enabled in the player's setup menu? What happens when you cycle through the test tones on the player, do you still only get sound from 5 of the speakers?

Ph8te, Eric...Thanks for the quick replies...

Eric, all the titles I have so far are 5.1, so yes only 5.1 channels can be heard, although the Denon AVR shows all 7.1 as being active, even though the 2 back surrounds are silent due to the fact the movie itself is 5.1. I will try and get Pan's Labyrinth and see what happens, see if all 7.1 will work. In the meanwhile I'll try to cycle through the test tone of the player as you suggest-I didn't even notice that the player had these test tones available, thanks for pointing it out. Yes, I have all 7.1 channels enabled in the player.
post #692 of 885
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Originally Posted by SoundMeister View Post

Ph8te, Eric...Thanks for the quick replies...

Eric, all the titles I have so far are 5.1, so yes only 5.1 channels can be heard, although the Denon AVR shows all 7.1 as being active, even though the 2 back surrounds are silent due to the fact the movie itself is 5.1. I will try and get Pan's Labyrinth and see what happens, see if all 7.1 will work. In the meanwhile I'll try to cycle through the test tone of the player as you suggest-I didn't even notice that the player had these test tones available, thanks for pointing it out. Yes, I have all 7.1 channels enabled in the player.


Pan's Labyrinth has DTS-HD MA 7.1 track. The player can only decode DTS core 5.1. You won't get 7.1 out either from analog or PCM via HDMI. The only tracks that will output 7.1 via analog are DD+ 7.1, PCM 7.1 and TrueHD 7.1
post #693 of 885
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Pan's Labyrinth has DTS-HD MA 7.1 track. The player can only decode DTS core 5.1. You won't get 7.1 out either from analog or PCM via HDMI. The only tracks that will output 7.1 via analog are DD+ 7.1, PCM 7.1 and TrueHD 7.1

Thanks for the clarification Foxbat121
post #694 of 885
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Originally Posted by kwindrem View Post

Multichannel PCM is at least twice the bandwidth of DTS HD MA, so if there were marginal bandwidth issues, problems would be worse with PCM.

The difference is LPCM is easy to handle and receiver makers have years of experience to perfect it. Until recently, those same receiver makers have no actual player to test bitstreaming of TrueHD and DTS-MA.
post #695 of 885
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Originally Posted by SoundMeister View Post

Thanks for the clarification Foxbat121

Sorry about that, I was just scanning the back of my cases for one with 7.1 and didn't bother to notice the format. I'm not sure how accurate it is, but you might want to check out blu-raystats.com and use the "Audio..." drop down to filter by the various 6.1 or 7.1 formats that are supported by analog outs.
post #696 of 885
My player is still at the repair center. The repair center's website has said "parts ordered" since last week. I called and they said that parts have been ordered and they should be in shortly. They also said that if the parts don't come in within 2 weeks then they will authorize a new refurbished unit from Samsung.

Hopefully I will receive a working player soon!
post #697 of 885
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Originally Posted by Eric Busch View Post

Sorry about that, I was just scanning the back of my cases for one with 7.1 and didn't bother to notice the format. I'm not sure how accurate it is, but you might want to check out blu-raystats.com and use the "Audio..." drop down to filter by the various 6.1 or 7.1 formats that are supported by analog outs.

No worries Eric

Just a quick update: I did just as you suggested in post 688 above and cycled through the test tones of the player, and all 7 speakers work 100%. So I guess that means all's OK, and the 2 Surround Back speakers will work fine when there will be some material available in 7.1.

What I did noticed though, was that the test tone for the subwoofer did not put out any sound from my sub, although the subwoofer will work just fine when regular material (non-test tones) like a movie disk is played in the player....I guess I should not worry too much about this thing after all

The funny thing is that untill you pointed out the test tone capability of the player, I did not even notice the small red "A" button there on the screen....I must be going blind
post #698 of 885
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Originally Posted by SoundMeister View Post

No worries Eric

Just a quick update: I did just as you suggested in post 688 above and cycled through the test tones of the player, and all 7 speakers work 100%. So I guess that means all's OK, and the 2 Surround Back speakers will work fine when there will be some material available in 7.1.

What I did noticed though, was that the test tone for the subwoofer did not put out any sound from my sub, although the subwoofer will work just fine when regular material (non-test tones) like a movie disk is played in the player....I guess I should not worry too much about this thing after all

The funny thing is that untill you pointed out the test tone capability of the player, I did not even notice the small red "A" button there on the screen....I must be going blind

I have done the test tone also and I had to put my ear up close to the sub to hear it compared to the tone for the other speakers.
post #699 of 885
I purchased an open box item at Frys, and it was playing a blu ray when saw it.
When I got home, without trying it out I dowloaded the compressed file, then I extracted the files to burn them (IMAGE) on a disk disk with two different softwares ( Power2Go and Express Burn). I loaded the disc on the player and it checked the current firmware. Obviously, I updated it.
Then I confirmed it was updated.
When It did not work, I used the other disk which was burned with a differente software and even though, it showed that the installed firmware was the same that was on the disk I reinstalled it.....

Unfortunately, the player just does not play BluRays at all after the firmaware update. They just endlessly spin....... loading........., one of them promted an error message, something like 000000f. I tried Ratatouille, Jumper, Legands Of Jazz and The Invisible. The error prompts only with Legends Of Jazz.

It plays regular dvds fine, however I have no hd dvds to test them.

In addition to that , I have not been able to sucessfully bitstream to my Onkyo 805, I only get the display on my receiver to prompt HDMI through.
I used Bitstream Audiophile.

Any help would be appreciated.
post #700 of 885
Try to reflash it BACK to the previous fw. That may "bring it back". Then you could try upgading to 1.3 again. I have no idea where to get the old fw.
post #701 of 885
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Originally Posted by Smarty-pants View Post

Try to reflash it BACK to the previous fw. That may "bring it back". Then you could try upgading to 1.3 again. I have no idea where to get the old fw.

I have the zip files of all the previous versions, so if anybody wants me to e-mail it, just send me your credit card number.
Kidding about that last part. I'd be happy to send; probably 1.2 is as far back as you want to go.

Doug
post #702 of 885
Dougotte, THANKS.

You can email it to mariowar@yahoo.com
or just let me know how you want to do it.

Thanks
post #703 of 885
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Originally Posted by mariowar View Post

Dougotte, THANKS.

You can email it to mariowar@yahoo.com
or just let me know how you want to do it.

Thanks

I'll send it to you tonight. The files are on my home computer.

Doug
post #704 of 885
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Originally Posted by mariowar View Post

I purchased an open box item at Frys, and it was playing a blu ray when saw it.
When I got home, without trying it out I dowloaded the compressed file, then I extracted the files to burn them (IMAGE) on a disk disk with two different softwares ( Power2Go and Express Burn). I loaded the disc on the player and it checked the current firmware. Obviously, I updated it.
Then I confirmed it was updated.
When It did not work, I used the other disk which was burned with a differente software and even though, it showed that the installed firmware was the same that was on the disk I reinstalled it.....

Unfortunately, the player just does not play BluRays at all after the firmaware update. They just endlessly spin....... loading........., one of them promted an error message, something like 000000f. I tried Ratatouille, Jumper, Legands Of Jazz and The Invisible. The error prompts only with Legends Of Jazz.

It plays regular dvds fine, however I have no hd dvds to test them.

In addition to that , I have not been able to sucessfully bitstream to my Onkyo 805, I only get the display on my receiver to prompt HDMI through.
I used Bitstream Audiophile.

Any help would be appreciated.

You might also try the reset to factory defaults procedure : Hold the fast forward button on the front panel for 5+ seconds with no disk inserted. The firmware update should do this but it's worth a shot.

The TX-SR805 manual indicates that THROUGH controls the video scaling, not audio. The parameter that affects audio is HDMI AUDIO. It should be OFF. If it's on, the receiver will pass the audio on to the TV and not extract it/
post #705 of 885
What IS the deal with THROUGH mode? I have never seen that on my 805.

EDIT: NEVERMIND, that is only on the 875. I thought something sounded weird there.
post #706 of 885
I have only tested the Dolby true HD via analog out since the update.
Played live free or die hard Blu-Ray last night
DTS-HD Lossless Master Audio 5.1 Surround (48kHz/24-bit) through the
analog outputs and it sounded correct fact is was amazing.
I did I switch between that and the Dolby 5.1 and could hear a big difference in the sound and the effects...a lot of detailed information was coming from the side surrounds so I guess it decodes DTS-HD 5.1 with the analog outputs after all.
post #707 of 885
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Originally Posted by mariowar View Post

Dougotte, THANKS.

You can email it to mariowar@yahoo.com
or just let me know how you want to do it.

Thanks

Mario, my ISP won't let me send a file that big. Sorry.

Doug
post #708 of 885
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Originally Posted by dougotte View Post

Mario, my ISP won't let me send a file that big. Sorry.

Doug

Use GMail
post #709 of 885
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Originally Posted by citico View Post

Use GMail


Or use pando from pando.com. It shrinks files of up to 1 GB.
post #710 of 885
I'd rather have Mario try resetting his machine first. I didn't anticipate having to set up a gmail account or recompress the file, etc.

Doug
post #711 of 885
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Originally Posted by autobot View Post

I have only tested the Dolby true HD via analog out since the update.
Played live free or die hard Blu-Ray last night
DTS-HD Lossless Master Audio 5.1 Surround (48kHz/24-bit) through the
analog outputs and it sounded correct fact is was amazing.
I did I switch between that and the Dolby 5.1 and could hear a big difference in the sound and the effects...a lot of detailed information was coming from the side surrounds so I guess it decodes DTS-HD 5.1 with the analog outputs after all.

Nope. You're getting the DTS 5.1 core. The only way to get DTS HD is to bitstream it via HDMI to a receiver that can decode it. The DTS core probably does sound better than Dolby Digital since it uses twice the bandwidth.
post #712 of 885
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Originally Posted by autobot View Post

I have only tested the Dolby true HD via analog out since the update.
Played live free or die hard Blu-Ray last night
DTS-HD Lossless Master Audio 5.1 Surround (48kHz/24-bit) through the
analog outputs and it sounded correct fact is was amazing.
I did I switch between that and the Dolby 5.1 and could hear a big difference in the sound and the effects...a lot of detailed information was coming from the side surrounds so I guess it decodes DTS-HD 5.1 with the analog outputs after all.


No, it doesn't. It decodes DTS core 5.1 only. We have confirmed it using DTS-MA 7.1 discs.

EDIT: Kevin beat me to it.
post #713 of 885
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Originally Posted by kwindrem View Post

Nope. You're getting the DTS 5.1 core. The only way to get DTS HD is to bitstream it via HDMI to a receiver that can decode it. The DTS core probably does sound better than Dolby Digital since it uses twice the bandwidth.

OK
Yeah it sounds a whole lot better than DD 5.1 from the analog outs, to me it sounded a lot like Dolby true HD
and before the update none really sounded correct from the analogs...
dolby digital 5.1 Dolby true HD (was only 2 channel) and DTS HD

What are the differences
DTS HD 5.1 Vs DTS 5.1 core
DTS 5.1 core Vs Dolby True HD (these sounded pretty close if not the same to me)
post #714 of 885
Only DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD are lossless audio (in addition to PCM). The rest are lossy compression. There are 4 flavors of DTS:
DTS core 5.1
DTS ES (discrete or matrix) 6.1
DTS-HD HR up to 7.1
DTS-HD MA up to 7.1

All DTS tracks contain DTS core 5.1 which is the same as you found on regular DVDs.

There are also 4 different flavors of Dolby Digital:
Dolby Digital core up to 5.1
Dolby Digital EX Matrix 6.1
Dolby Digital Plus up to 7.1
Dolby TrueHD up to 7.1

All Dolby tracks except TrueHD also contain core 5.1.

Since the main audio on your particular BD is DTS-HD MA, the core portion of it gets better treatment than the DD5.1 track (only 448kbps on this disc). Hence sounds better. Theoritically, DTS core can have up to 1.5mbps bitrate while DD 5.1 core can only have up to 640kbps. But done right, both can sound great.
post #715 of 885
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Originally Posted by kwindrem View Post

Nope. You're getting the DTS 5.1 core. The only way to get DTS HD is to bitstream it via HDMI to a receiver that can decode it. The DTS core probably does sound better than Dolby Digital since it uses twice the bandwidth.

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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

No, it doesn't. It decodes DTS core 5.1 only. We have confirmed it using DTS-MA 7.1 discs.

EDIT: Kevin beat me to it.

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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Only DTS-HD MA and Dolby TrueHD are lossless audio (in addition to PCM). The rest are lossy compression. There are 4 flavors of DTS:
DTS core 5.1
DTS ES (discrete or matrix) 6.1
DTS-HD HR up to 7.1
DTS-HD MA up to 7.1

All DTS tracks contain DTS core 5.1 which is the same as you found on regular DVDs.

There are also 4 different flavors of Dolby Digital:
Dolby Digital core up to 5.1
Dolby Digital EX Matrix 6.1
Dolby Digital Plus up to 7.1
Dolby TrueHD up to 7.1

All Dolby tracks except TrueHD also contain core 5.1.

Since the main audio on your particular BD is DTS-HD MA, the core portion of it gets better treatment than the DD5.1 track (only 448kbps on this disc). Hence sounds better. Theoritically, DTS core can have up to 1.5mbps bitrate while DD 5.1 core can only have up to 640kbps. But done right, both can sound great.

So thats why the dts sounded so good
I really hope they can get our players to decode the DTS HD would love to actually hear it for real on my system.
post #716 of 885
the above don't know what or how I did that all the quotes in one reply sorry.
post #717 of 885
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Originally Posted by autobot View Post

So thats why the dts sounded so good
I really hope they can get our players to decode the DTS HD would love to actually hear it for real on my system.

See my previous post quoted below. Your DTS core is 1.5mbps while DD 5.1 on this disc is only 448kbps.

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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Since the main audio on your particular BD is DTS-HD MA, the core portion of it gets better treatment than the DD5.1 track (only 448kbps on this disc). Hence sounds better.


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Originally Posted by autobot View Post

the above don't know what or how I did that all the quotes in one reply sorry.

You hit the 'Multi Quote' button.
post #718 of 885
Will the 5K ever decode DTS-HDMA and pass it out through the analog outputs?
post #719 of 885
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Originally Posted by rfgmdporsc View Post

Will the 5K ever decode DTS-HDMA and pass it out through the analog outputs?

Just call Samsung and ask them. I'm sure they'll give you an honest and straight forward answer.
post #720 of 885
I tried two HD DVD of Superman Returns and both disc would freeze on the same part. When Superman and Loise Lane are on the Roof of the Daily Planet. Has anyone experienced this? I was able to watch the rest of the movie by skipping forward a couple of chapters. Is the UP5000 very sensitive to scratched disc. These movies were from Blockbuster and they had some scratches but nothing to the point where the movie should freeze. That is the good thing about Blu Ray its has the scratch resistant coating.
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