Samsung BD-UP5000 Firmware 1.3 Released Report BUGS\FIXES - Page 29

I have a Samsung BD-UP5000 and a Onkyo TX-SR605 Receiver hooked up thru HDMI. When I play TruHD or DTSHD it turns on the receiver and I hear a difference in sound, but the sounds cost totally out withen about 10 seconds. I have to put it on regular 5.1 sound to get it back. I'm not sure if it's the receiver or BluRay-HDDVD player. Anyone else has this problem. Samsung BD-UP5000 is updated.

It's the Onkyo, and it's a known bug referred to as the "audio lock-on problem".

They fixed this problem in later firmwares, but the only person who can do the firmware upgrade is Onkyo themselves. They don't even let "licensed service centers" do firmware upgrades. It seems they made the upgrade process so complicated and error prone, they don't want to take the chance of people bricking their units.

Does anybody have (or can anyone do it) an updated version of the audio output chart that is at the start of this thread?

It's very confusing, especially in that it seems to be saying that you only get 5.1 via analog outputs, which makes no sense at all since we have 7.1 connections... I can't test all possible configurations, but surely we are getting 7.1 output via analog from the Samsung for at least some of the audio codecs, aren't we?

If not, then why are the connectors even there?

That's what makes me think this chart is not quite right.

The reason I bring this up... I just recently bought a couple of Disney flicks with DTS-HD 7.1 and I know the Samsung doesn't decode that... but I'm not sure what I get via analog. Am I only getting 5.1 analog from the DTS core? (My audio receiver doesn't do the newer codecs and I don't have HDMI either, but I do have analog inputs on the receiver).

And whatever the answer to the above about DTS-HD... it made me wonder about LPCM 7.1, and whether or not you get 7.1 audio over analog for that, since it seems like a no-brainer that should be true except the chart in this thread (the one borrowed from the 1400 model) doesn't seem to reflect that.

If I am correct in my thinking...
Yes, there are 7.1 audio tracks on Blu-ray. Since the 5000 can not internally decode DTS-HD/MA, those 7.1 tracks are "out".
Then you have True-HD tracks which I do not know of any that are 7.1.
So that leaves 7.1 PCM tracks. There are 2 or 3 of these out there that I can think of 2 off hand... Sleeping Beauty and The Nightmare Before Christmas.
I belive the 5000 DOES internally decode 7.1 PCM tracks, and should be playable though 7.1 MCH analog output.
Now for SD dvds, there could only be DTS-ES and DD-EX soundtracks. I have no idea what the 5000 does with those, because I have done VERY little SD playbck on the 5000 so far.

I have the BD-UP5000 w/7.1 analog output. My receiver has 6.1 analog outputs. I also purchased the matching two channel amp for the back left and right out for total 7.1. I currently have the two back speakers driven by the separate amp. but I have no control over the back speakers' volume. Are there any suggestions as to how I can get my 7.1 and integrate the volume control?
Thanks-

With you so far, and agree...


I believe "Nightmare" was 7.1 TrueHD actually, but I can't remember... and I haven't watched Sleeping Beauty yet.


At least for the 6.1 DTS-ES and DD-EX those will go bitstream and my receiver decodes those... so I haven't even tried to see what happens there via analog.

It seems you and I are on the same page of understanding, though, which probably means I should just remind myself not to look at that chart. One reason I have a tough time sometimes is due to the lack of config for the analog outputs in terms of EQ/VOL/DIST and so forth, my volume levels are different via analog vs optical... so sometimes even a 5.1 optical sounds more impressive than a 6.1 or 7.1 from analog so I can't always tell if I'm missing one of the channels. I know the sound-test cycles through all the speakers appropriately, but its hard to judge from one encode to the next with not all being equal.

^Ok, you are correct. Nightmare is 7.1THD (the only one so far), and I do believe the 5000 will internally decode that format.
Sleeping Beauty is 7.1PCM.

Barney in the 1400 thread has a chart of 7.1 Blu-rays. I'll try to find it.

EDIT:
Here's a copy/paste of that chart...

Title Codec/Format
---- ------
3:10 to Yuma 7.1 Uncompressed PCM Audio
The Bank Job (2008) 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Be Kind Rewind 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Belly 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Black Mask (1996) 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
The Chronicles of Narnia: PC 7.1 Uncompressed PCM
The Condemned 7.1 DTS-HD High Resolution Audio
Daddy's Little Girl 7.1 Uncompressed PCM Audio
Dark City 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Delta Farce 7.1 Uncompressed PCM Audio
Doctor Strange 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
The Doors: SE (1991) 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
The Eye (2008) 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
The Forbidden Kingdom 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
The Golden Compass 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Good Luck Chuck 7.1 Uncompressed PCM Audio
Hairspray 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Hannah Montana & MC: BoBWC 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Harold & Kumar: EFGB 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Harold & Kumar: GTWC 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Hellboy II: The Golden Army 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
House of 1000 Corpses 7.1 DTS-HD High Resolution Audio
House of Fury (2005) 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio (Cantonese)
The Invincible Iron Man 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Mr. Woodcock 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Mysterious Aqua-3D Sound Reali. 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
National Lampoon's Van Wilder 7.1 Uncompressed PCM Audio
Next Avengers: HoT 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
A Nightmare Before Christmas 7.1 Dolby TrueHD
Oldboy 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
The Orphanage 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Pan's Labyrinth 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Rachmaninov:Piano Concertos#2&3 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Rambo (2008) 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Run Fatboy Run 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Rush Hour 3 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Saw IV 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Semi-Pro 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Shoot'Em Up 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Sleeping Beauty: Platinum Ed. 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Step Into Liquid 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Ultimate Avenger Collection 7.1 Uncompressed PCM Audio
Waiting... 7.1 Uncompressed PCM Audio
War 7.1 Uncompressed PCM Audio
The Warlords (2007, Import) 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio (Mandarin)
Weeds: Season Two 7.1 Uncompressed PCM Audio
Weeds: Season Three 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio
Witless Protection 7.1 DTS-HD Master Audio

Please provide receiver brand and model.

Quote:
Originally Posted by James A. McGahee
I have the BD-UP5000 w/7.1 analog output. My receiver has 6.1 analog outputs. I also purchased the matching two channel amp for the back left and right out for total 7.1. I currently have the two back speakers driven by the separate amp. but I have no control over the back speakers' volume. Are there any suggestions as to how I can get my 7.1 and integrate the volume control?
Thanks-

autobot:
Please provide receiver brand and model.

reply:
It's a 5 year old Kenwood Sovereign 5900. It has 6ch input whereas the BD-UP5000 has 7.1 output. With the matching MX5000 power amp I have the following speaker connections available. Center, R, L, RS, LS, + BL, BR, & Sub (7.1-as advertised with matching separate amp.) through the receivers Pre-Out Jacks. I realize the setup is not ideal or even proper, but until I get a true 7.1 amp. I would like to be able to use my back speakers but don't seem to have volume through the receiver's pre-out.
Thanks for your help!

So....

Must we assume that Samsung has ceased firmware for this model?

Dugger

Just because it has been what 5 months since the last update? While I wouldn't be surprised at some point to see support dropped, I gather there has been no urgent need. Lots of us have little things we'd like to see addressed... but I'm not aware of major failures that would drive a new release.

With the nature of Blu ray (and HD DVD before it) all manufacturers had to realize they would have to have possible firmware support for older players for longer than they are used to because of the encryption key thing where players might need updates to play new movies. IF companies don't provide that for older players, consumers will eventually uprise if they had to buy a brand new player every 2 years for no other reason than an encryption change that forced it.

I suspect player performance/new features to probably not continue very long... and for the Samsung, we might never see feature enhancements... so that part of the concern could be valid.

There are some showstoppers, yes...Paramount titles from July 30 lock up with ease. Then, there are the few Sony title problems (Made of Honor failing to play, Zohan dropouts over HDMI)...finally, the infamous Dr. No (James Bond). The latest in new releases is the Dead Space playback problem.

This all warrants a fix...um, NOW.

EDIT: Not to mention the REgression with the flickering (24fps) AVC-encoded Paramount HD DVD titles! That should have been fixed the following day.

The latest Consumer Reports say the new Samsung 2500 BR player will get a future firmware update that will include the advanced DTS decoding. Maybe it can be used for the 5000 also.

Think there is hope?

I think they are referring to DTS-HR, not DTS-MA.

I think it is safe to assume that a firmware release is eminent.

A recent posting on The Digital Bits regarding the recent playback issue with the new 007 titles states;


While I believe we will never see any upgrade for BD Live (Blu-ray proile 2.0) I expect the firmware release for the BD-UP5000 will run later than most and hope that it will include fixes and enhancements over and above that of the fix for playback of Sony titles (Hunt for Red October anyone?).

I appear to be in the group of people having received issue free players (knock on nearest forestry based renewable resource). My two Samsung BD-UP5000 have had none of the drop-outs or red screens reported by other owners. Aside from not having BD Live (which I rarely, if ever find a BD Live feature that I would use more than once), I miss out on nothing.

I have an HD Fury 2 on order, which I hope will allow me to take advantage of the 1080p (in my case 1080i) 'up-conversion' capibility of the player as I currently have a non-HDMI television. I'll post my two-cents on the product when it arrives, hopefully this next week.

Cheers,
Spence

Has any one looked into somehow upgrading the internal memory to get one gigabyte to get the bd 2.0 capability?

John

That would require a hardware modification on the part of Samsung. ...not gonna happen.

What profile is the BD UP5000?

1.1

You are right. I found the information in Sound and Vision's current issue revealing the 2500 Profile 2.0 BR player has a forthcoming firmware update to enable DTS-HD HR. No mention of DTS-HD MA.

What's the difference in HR and MA? I know MA is the better of the two but is there a difference in HD and HR?

It's also interesting that Consumer Report has no, none, zero BR players listed in their top 7 picks although Samsung did pretty well in the LCD (1st & 2nd in 52", 1st in 46-47", 1st & Best Buy in 40-42", 6th in 37", 1st in 32", and 4th in 26" categories. In Plasma Samsung came out 1st in 58-60", 1st (Best Buy), 3rd, & 6th in 46-50", 4th in 42", with none listed in the 32" category.

Sammy didn't do too hot in the frequency of repair coming in 9th out of 16 in LCDs and 4th (next to bottom) out of 5 in the Plasma TVs.

Looks like Samsung needs to pump some time, money, energy and quality into the BR player division along with build quality into the TV division. I suspect the profits are tilted a lot toward the flat panel side of the equation resulting in a better initial showing for the TV division.

HR is still lossy compression like DTS core. MA is the only DTS lossless format from DTS. Not many titles use DTS HR BTW. So the firmware update for that is quite useless.

DTS-MA is lossless, DTS-HR is not. It is a step up above DTS though. Kind of like how DD+ is a step up from DD, but it's still not as good as TrueHD.

What I'd like to know is if they add DTS-HR decoding will DTS-MA tracks get downsampled to DTS-HR or will the DTS core still be extracted? Because there aren't many movies that actually use DTS-HR.

I still haven't seen any double blind listening tests showing that these high bitrate lossy formats are perceptually inferior to their lossless counterparts. It's great to have them but I think the differences are commonly overstated.

Looking forward to your review!

Received notification of shipping just this morning. The HKMod over at www.curtpalme.com says that product shipment takes 2-5 days to anywhere in the world.

...the notification message showed point of origin (both the message and the shipping depot) to be Taiwan. Give or take a day should it get delayed in customs, and I 'may' have it by the weekend.

I'll start a review thread (or add to one, if one already exists) once I take delivery and get it configured.

Spence

My 720p projector has one dedicated HDMI input. In order to run only one cable to the projector I use a component to HDMI converter which feeds into a 4 way remotely controlled switch box. From the switch box I run the one HDMI cable to my projector. I am pretty sure neither the switch box or the component to HDMI converter upgrade quality of video or audio. My DVD changer has Faroujda DCDi processing which helps quite a bit with the standard DVDs.

Question:
Would the FuryII improve the Farojuda DCDI processing even more if I replaced the current MonoPrice component to HDMI converter with the FuryII, placing it between the changer and switch box instead of the old Component to HDMI converter?

Thanks for the info.-

I wasn't sure where to post this!
As part of my morning stuff that I do every day, I just checked for the latest firmware and noticed that ver 1.4 appears to be available for download.

Just checked Samsung's site for the BD-UP5000, along with the System Update within my player itself. Nothing.

I don't discount what you may have seen, but it doesn't appear to be available at this time from the US web site.

I just checked and there is a new file there date 081027. Wonder what it addresses?

Link please? I've got the same file (from May) on both the Samsung (USA) site, as well as a message indicating that my player has the latest firmware update when I activate the "System Update".

There has been talk of a fix for playback issues on recent 007 films (For Your Eyes Only was mentioned), and I suspect/hope fixes for some of the other films with issues such as Hunt for Red October.

Spence