Why can't I tell much or any real difference between speakers?

get off that bong

Probably ......and with 1573 posts to your credit maybe you should spend more time trying to hone your listening skills !! LOL !

This, along with "which cables to use" and other such threads, are simply troll posts that need to be purged. No matter the intention, they always unfortunately turn negative.

IMO, of course.

No, I think it's more than that.

Definitely trolling...

Raymond likes to do this sort of thing. That's why he's banned from at least one other forum that I visit

No...you've got bad fingers, Raymond. Now do everybody a favor and reach down into a garbage disposal and get rid of those pesky things...

Jason

Yes, the sound is different, not necessarily better generally. Yes, you have bad ears as well.

Oh, a wise guy hay!

No, you merely recognize the truth. Except for Bose, most of today's speakers sound very good (though Klipsh will start sounding bad ater a long listening session, when their brightness causes fatigue.) You are correct that more expensive speakers merely sound different, not necessarily better.

This statement is ridiculous. A Honda Accord drives "very good" and drives 65 mph. A more expensive Acura drives 65 mph and also drives "very good". Obviously they drive differently. "Better" is in the judgement of the driver, but it is very safe to say that for a driving enthusiast, the more expensive cars drive better than a Honda Accord.

Same principal for speakers.

It seems you may be substituting "value", which is an individual price/quality relationship that is different for everyone, in place of "performance" which should (and generally does) increase as the cost increases.

If the OP can not hear the differences in soundstage, nuance of speaker performance at low/mid/high music notes, then perhaps his/her ears are bad...

It's funny you say that because I drive a Honda Accord and my wife drives an Acura TSX. I bought the Accord because I like bigger sedans and she has the TSX because she likes smaller ones. Both are very good cars but I must say on the weekends we always take her car because it's a lot more fun to drive than the Accord.

In the world of audio I would never pick an accurate speaker over one that just gets me excited when I hear it. That's what having a hobby is all about but nowadays people seem to forget that. This is why I have never liked any Dynaudio speaker as they just all sound completely dull and lifeless to me. They might be accurate and neutral, but if I am not enjoying myself when I listen to them what's the point?

All speakers in any price range sound different....what's your point?? I know as much as I love my dalis, I would kill to hear a pair of the new Revel Studio 2s....yummmm, even though I could never afford them, I'd love a listen.

Once you get to speakers that do everything (tone quality, imaging, detail, etc.) as well as can be done, no "performance" can be inherently better. Different, certainly, but not better.
Many affordable speakers (eg Alesis, Infinity Primus) are at that level, meaning that more money will merely buy a change of pace, not an actual improvement.

Funny you should mention the Infinity Primus. My brother in law and I A/B ed the 362s ($600) against Polk A9s ($1,500). The 362s sounded very good, but the Polks blew them away, especially in tone quality and imaging. This was the unanimous opinion of 7 people in the room... The Primus was simply not "at that level" of the Polks, nor do they "do everything" at the highest level.

The Primus is a wonderful speaker at its' price point, but there is no doubt that better performance (meaning sound quality) is available from more expensive speakers. The suggestion that the Primus is "at the level" of my Totems is laughable.

But you state that no performance can be inherently better?

By this argument, driving an Acura versus Honda Accord can not be a better driving experience, different certainly, but not better?

By this argument, a symphony grade $6,000 violin does not sound better sound than a good quality $800 violin. Only different?

By this argument, Rosanne's Star Spangled Banner performance is no worse than Whitney Houston's. Just different?

By this argument, the Polk's did not sound better, just different?

Please....

If you can't hear a difference I call you blessed. Buy some Bose, lay back and enjoy your system!

Well put zombywoof. It appears postmodernism doesn't work in the world of speakers either

Maybe, but you have to know what you're listening to/for. If techno is your reference, then PULLIAMM is somewhat right as there's no frame of reference everything is just different... If you have real instrument or real sounds as reference, then you should know how it should sound like. Then it stops just sounding different, and sounds more like the real thing, or not. The brands you've named can be improved on.

Seriously, it must be nice to be tone deaf. I really think if Pulliam ever came close to hearing a high end speaker, his head would explode.

Haven't we had this discussion at least 25 times before????

That's a big yes.

Are you saying that the aformentioned brands/series are at the pinnacle of performance, and one wouldnt be able to purchase another speaker that would out perform them? Of course you are 8000+posts of blablabla

I have heard many alleged "high-end" speakers. Most sounded good, just not inherently better than much more affordable ones. (A few actually sounded worse, Wilsons for example.)

Yes, that is what I am correctly stating.
Only 1555 posts left to reach my goal of 10000!

Put the crack pipe down and slowly back away...

Pulliam, you're nothing more than a parrot. I doubt you;ve heard Wilson speakers any more than I have. And even if you had (probably in a room with wood floors/glass walls?), what kind of environment were they in, hmm? You never seem to take that into account, but yet that makes a huge impact on speaker sound. No, you see a few people around the forum say Wilson sucks at their price range, blahblahblah, so you start parroting along, like you do with cd players, amps, etc etc. Too bad you can't think for yourself at your age.

I see on the speaker forum you're the ONLY one arguing that the Primus speakers are better than the Beta, when all specs would suggest otherwise. That pretty much says either you're room is an acoustic nightmare, or your hearing is severely flawed.

You can doubt it all you want to. That doesn't change the fact that I have heard them (or that they suck.) I have never parroted anything. It is my decades of experience with audio that form the basis of all my opinions, and make me 100% certain of being correct in every case.

Seems your decades of "experience" have taught you nothing about audio. All you do is parrot what you read elsewhere or outright troll this forum. And again, please give us details of your Wilson listening experience. What dealer did you go to...how were they setup??

It was a dealer in Raleigh, NC. They were set up as a stereo pair (you know, in a room, with space between them, just like any other speakers.) The Martin Logans in the same room sounded substantially better at less than 1/4 the price.

But speakers don't sound better than another, only different, right?? Sorry, I don't believe you've heard Wilsons or Martin Logans. Your ignorant posts totally give away your inexperience. Oh, btw, putting down a WHOLE speaker line b/c you didn't like one speaker is ridiculous. You do know Wilson makes more than one speaker, right?? You've obviously only heard Tweeter/Circuit City brands, or inexpensive studio monitors you can order online. Even Raymond at least is trying to learn, and he admits to only hearing low cost brands.

He often mentions Wilson as an inferior brand.