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post #151 of 851
Quentin 2,

Thanks - the posts in this thread were the encouragement I needed.

Please check my sig-file for my basement HT project. I will soon be posting new photos, also just purchased a refurbished JVC RS1 front PJ for this project (Good thing that most months are cheaper than this has been).
post #152 of 851
Hi everyone, long time reader, first time poster. Been debating jumping into HDTV since May when I got an Xbox 360. Some letterboxed games with small fonts will do that. I spent a lot of time here reading about various sets, first settling on LCD, then a cheaper plasma, before finally deciding I wanted a DLP. I was at first going to get the Mitsubishi WD-60735 from my local CC in Reno, but instead decided on the HL56A650, because when looking at the two side by side, there was a huge gap in PQ between the two sets. Even after spending an hour freaking out the store employees playing in menus , I couldn't get the Mits to a point where I felt good about it being the set I would buy. I ended up getting the set last Friday for $1250 plus tax from that CC ($1500 minus an instant $150 plus a $100 coupon for ordering online). Here is what I have running to it:

Xbox 360 Elite (HDMI connected, optical out to A/V Receiver)
Playstation 3 80GB (MGS4 bundle, hid one away at local BB the night before and it was still where I left it the next day )(HDMI to TV, optical to receiver)
Charter HD Digital Cable (HDMI to TV, coax digital audio to receiver)
Yamaha HTR-6130 A/V Receiver (HDMI but passthrough only )

My experience:
Standard Definition: so far I am really impressed with the quality of the set on SD content. It could be the cable box, as a press of the info button on any SD content still states 1920x1080i/60, but the quality is great, and since this is still where the majority of my TV watching is, I am happy with it. The picture looks great, not enough color or sharpness to convince anyone it's HD, but close.
HD Cable: this floored me. The store demo of Olympic boxing looked okay, but not incredible. The same thing at home, however, was easily much more impressive. Movies on Starz HD (watched SuperBad and Reign on Me) were incredible - easily better than a theater IMO.
Xbox 360: games look great on this set! I didn't have to calibrate either Rock Band or Guitar Hero III to handle input lag, as the games were perfectly synced without the calibration. Soul Calibur IV is easily the most impressive game I've played on it yet, the colors are rich and saturated and the details are great. The only negative I would note is the way the 360 Dashboard looks. MS stores and renders it as static 2D graphics at 720p, so the internal scaling process in the 360 makes it look a little blocky, with pixilation in the fonts used. On my couch about 11ft away it's nearly unnoticable, but still slightly annoying.
PS3: the games all look really good on this set. Everything is sharp and clear, with no jaggedness. The internet browser can be hard to use at normal seated distance, since the fonts fit like a PC browser, but a quick click to zoom in and that problem is gone. MGS4 is the only full PS3 game I own, and it looks great. The set does reveal some of the low-resolution textures used though.
PS3 Bluray playback: the best high-def I've watched so far on the set. I enabled Super-white and 1080p/24 in the PS3 menus and the set ran with both. I watched the Simpsons Movie on it and was blown away at how great the experience was. The playback was smooth and judder free (more the responsibility of the PS3) and the colors popped. This was the experience that finally got my girlfriend to stop thinking I was crazy for the money put into the equipment.

I plan on hooking up a PC to the VGA port soon and trying that as well. I'll also post some pictures of my setup here to compare.

Overall, I am extremely satisfied with this purchase. The TV has made all of my gaming that much more enjoyable, and given new life to many of my favorite TV shows. I just recently got I Am Legend and 300 on Bluray from Netflix and will be watching those within the next 2 days. I'll try and get some action shots to show off.
post #153 of 851
Quick Heads Up!

Just his AM (8/24) Circuit City announced a sale price of 999.00 for the HL50A650 !!

I picked this same unit up at ABT on Friday for slightly more - go figure. Just got off the phone with ABT and they were great > no questions asked; they verified the CC sale pricing, then promptly gave me a no questions credit for the difference - great people to deal with !

As for my first day with the the new set, So far - I have applied most of Quentin's tweaks and:

- Watched HD OTA - Awesome PQ.
- Watched some SD Dish programming - Transformers was playing - Good PQ (limited because of SD?)
- Put my Apollo 13 DVD into my old Sony DVD player - Excellent PQ for 480P

Next UP:
-Will have to find my Video Essentials Calibration disk, and hook up my Oppo 970 to evaluate some more 480p DVD movies.

And lastly:
- Borrow my sons PS3 to evaluate Blue Ray - anyone have any additional set up tips for the PS3 or the Samsung with the PS3?
post #154 of 851
Thread Starter 
Nice find, Cuzed2! I'm telling my son in law who's looking for a 50-56" right now.

As far as playing BD discs in the PS3 the only suggestion I have is send a 1080p/24 signal to your Sammy. I do that with my Toshiba HD-A30 and get a terrific picture. Don't play games so can't help you there but someone else can. Take a look at the A750 FAQ for more on the PS3 with Samsung DLP.
post #155 of 851
Any idea how long that price will be good for? I really need to wait until after 9/16 to buy.
post #156 of 851
Cuzed2,

I agree with Quentin on the PS3 advice. Output 1080p/24 (it's an option in either Display Settings or BD/DVD Settings) and you'll get the best experience with Bluray playback. In Display Settings, for games, you'll want to leave all resolutions checked. A lot of games support 1080p, but for those that don't, the console instead forces 480p output, which is not nearly as well upconverted as 720p is by this set. I'm not sure what difference it makes, but I also have HDMI Super White turned on for Bluray, and the whites in those movies are excellent. I'll try it without and see if I can find a difference, then post my results.
post #157 of 851
what is the difference between the SDE (Screen Door Effect) and pixilation caused by poor service from my cable provider? I've noticed during the olympics a lot of little squares on the altheates bodies during fast action (e.g basketball). I'm hoping this is due to the signal and not my TV. Does the SSE happen in the entire screen or just parts of the picture?
post #158 of 851
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Originally Posted by crbierman View Post

what is the difference between the SDE (Screen Door Effect) and pixilation caused by poor service from my cable provider? I've noticed during the olympics a lot of little squares on the altheates bodies during fast action (e.g basketball). I'm hoping this is due to the signal and not my TV. Does the SSE happen in the entire screen or just parts of the picture?

My understanding is the screen door effect does not create big squares, it creates a lot of little ones. My experience is that it happens more noticably the larger the screen/lower the resolution/closer the observer. I am 99% sure you are looking at compression artifacts caused by your Cable provider over compressing the signal. I see it a lot in HD broadcasts of Soccer. Lots of green and the hues get botched in compression. The Superbowl however, which gets much more love usually looks spectacular.

Also the price on the 50" is only due to last till Saturday, midnight. I talked to a sales guy. This and the fact that the football season starts Thursday really makes me want to use the CC financing - 36 months no payments. I could afford it in a month or two no problem, but why not have it now. I applied online but they said they couldn't instant approve me which I think means I won't be approved at all... which surprises me.
post #159 of 851
Thread Starter 
crbierman, I agree with ICLKennyG - you're probably talking about macroblocking due to too much compression in the cable program. It has nothing to do with your TV. This is very noticeable in fast action scenes, basketball would show it off well and I noticed it a lot in the Olympic diving events. The fast spinning and splash entering the water really taxed the NBC signal.

Good luck getting that Samsung at CC, Kenny! $999 interest free is a great deal...
post #160 of 851
just ordered my Samsung HL50A650 from Amazon (I know, I know... but Circuit City wouldn't deliver to my area) and really looking forward to it. Biggest TV I have owned prior was a 32 inch Samsung, so this is my first big-screen purchase.
post #161 of 851
Hey all, just purchased HL50A650 from CC for $999. I have a couple questions:

1. The vent where the lamp shines through seems to get hot fairly quickly. I watched tv for maybe an hour and it seemed very hot. Is there a fan that cools this down? Is this a problem if I watch or play on the tv for 4 or more hours at a time? Does it get dangerously hot?

2. What is the difference between Just Scan and 16:9??? What wouyld you use for Sports, PS3, and Movies?

Thanks for the help.
post #162 of 851
Thread Starter 
Tbone, the lamp gets very hot so you'd expect anything nearby to get warm too. You should be able to feel airflow from the fan, if you don't think it's running don't run the set. You might check demos in the store to compare.

I use Justscan, it works well for most inputs. If you're not satisfied with an input play around since you can configure each one separately and the settings are retained for each input.

Nice price!
post #163 of 851
I just purchased an HL61A650 (moving the HL50A650 to the game room) and I have a few questions:

1) My straight "viewing distance" is 8 FEET. Is this recommended for a TV of this size or should I have gone for a smaller set (56")?

2) I currently have a stand that's 23 INCHES tall. Will this be okay for the 61 A650 (or is it too tall)?

3) Does anyone know the base dimensions for the HL61A650? Is it significantly wider than the 50" model?
post #164 of 851
Picked up an HL72A650 a week ago. I was going back and forth between the 67 led and the 72. Finally decided on the 72 and no regrets. 4x3 image is vertically straight. No bowing. Some of the horizontal lines are not 100% straight. I do see some crawls at the bottom left of the screen bend upwards a bit. Maybe 1/8" or so. At first it bothered me, and I thought about returning for another. But from what I've read, most dlp sets have some type of geometry issues. I could end up with one that's worse and noticeable during normal tv viewing. Overall very impressed with the set. Looking forward to getting it ISF'd in a couple of months.
post #165 of 851
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Originally Posted by Quentin2 View Post

Tbone, the lamp gets very hot so you'd expect anything nearby to get warm too. You should be able to feel airflow from the fan, if you don't think it's running don't run the set. You might check demos in the store to compare.

I use Justscan, it works well for most inputs. If you're not satisfied with an input play around since you can configure each one separately and the settings are retained for each input.

Nice price!

Thanks for the info, Quentin. One other concern I have. I believe KTM250 mentioned this as well on page 5...

I put in 2001 Space Odyssey blu ray and all of the scenes with a lot of white in them seem terrible because of snowy or fuzzzy black dots on the white. I thought maybe it was just that movie, but I put in Planet Earth blu ray and it did it on all the white scenes again. Any ideas? Thanks.
post #166 of 851
Thread Starter 
Are you talking about SSE?
post #167 of 851
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Originally Posted by Quentin2 View Post

Are you talking about SSE?


I dunno, could I be? Not sure what it is really. Basically as I have watche dit more tonight I think the picture is just very grainy overall and it looks worse with white pictures.
post #168 of 851
Are you using HDMI cables from the DVD player to the TV? Do you have a cable box....is it HD? You need to use a HDMI cable.

ALso, look at the Menu settings for the DVD Player...it may be set wrong for this TV.

I took off all next week so I could tweat this TV......looking forward to it.....
post #169 of 851
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Originally Posted by StephenZ View Post

Are you using HDMI cables from the DVD player to the TV? Do you have a cable box....is it HD? You need to use a HDMI cable.

ALso, look at the Menu settings for the DVD Player...it may be set wrong for this TV.

I took off all next week so I could tweat this TV......looking forward to it.....

Yes, using HDMI cables. Yes, Cable Box is HD. I'm starting to think it may be the SSE that seems to be a normal thing with Rear Projection sets.
post #170 of 851
Thread Starter 
From the FAQ: "Silk Screen Effect. It is the 'sparkly' or 'shimmery' look on bright backgrounds, like sky shots. It is caused by the high gain screen used in DLPs. The effect can be reduced with proper brightness and contrast adjustments."



SSE is a trait of DLPs that you have to live with. It has to do with the matte screen that cuts down on reflections. It's somewhat like matte LCD screens on laptops and monitors vs. the new glossy screens. Glossy is nice and gives you that picture window effect that some plasmas have but you do get much more glare and reflections.

Most people forget it's there after a while but for others it's a deal breaker for DLP. As usual you have to look at all HDTV technologies carefully and choose the one that's right for you. They all have advantages and disadvantages.
post #171 of 851
I am considering the 50A650 but wanted to get some feedback on viewing angles. In my case this will be going above my fireplace approx 3 1/2' - 4'. I noticed on another thread someone was seeing darker colors on top of the screen when looking 'up' at the T.V. Does anyone have this particular set placed up higher that can give me any insight?

Thanks
post #172 of 851
Thread Starter 
A DLP certainly isn't a good choice up that high, a plasma would be much better but I think you're making a mistake putting any HDTV up that high.

Tape a big poster or cardboard up there to simulate a 50" screen and see how comfortable it is to gaze up there from your chair for long periods of time. Some people can do it but it really bothers me.
post #173 of 851
Just had a 61A650 delivered by CC. Bought the Bello stand they had on sale and it looks great except for one issue. Light leakage from the left side through the panel you remove to replace the bulb. The panel has vents and the light is shining through and reflecting off the back wall of my room when the lights are off. I am going to stop by CC to see if the floor models are doing the same thing. Has anyone experienced this problem? Thanks.
post #174 of 851
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Originally Posted by Quentin2 View Post

A DLP certainly isn't a good choice up that high, a plasma would be much better but I think you're making a mistake putting any HDTV up that high.

Tape a big poster or cardboard up there to simulate a 50" screen and see how comfortable it is to gaze up there from your chair for long periods of time. Some people can do it but it really bothers me.

Thanks for the response. After a bit more digging I found out that DLP's are best posistioned at eye level. Bummer cause the 50 650 is $899 at BB.com. Oh well the search continues(LCD v. Plasma). As far as the height goes I'm guessing a bigger T.V. will not bug me at all as we currently have a 20 some inch CRT up there.
post #175 of 851
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Originally Posted by satfam View Post

Just had a 61A650 delivered by CC. Bought the Bello stand they had on sale and it looks great except for one issue. Light leakage from the left side through the panel you remove to replace the bulb. The panel has vents and the light is shining through and reflecting off the back wall of my room when the lights are off. I am going to stop by CC to see if the floor models are doing the same thing. Has anyone experienced this problem? Thanks.


My 50A650 does the same thing. I think it's normal.
post #176 of 851
They matched BB price and the sale prices of DVD player and the stand....
3 years interest free.......will pick up Sunday........
I had to bargain with the wife to buy this so lots of chores/projects to do first...............it was easier negotiating at CC......LOL.......
post #177 of 851
Thread Starter 
Wow, the HL50A650 $899 at Best Buy! Nice price...

My 56" also has light leakage on the left side from the vents but we can't see it from straight ahead so I've never considered it a problem. Off to the side it does show up. The case has to provide ventilation so if it really bothers you I doubt it could be corrected easily. Maybe you could set up some sort of a baffle close to the back to prevent it from projecting all the way to a wall yet still allow enough air circulation.
post #178 of 851
Hi, I just ordered the hl56a650 from bestbuy.com

Long story short, they fudged my order on the 50" (didnt give me a order #) and when they tried to correct it, they were sold out.

Luckily the manager on the phone agreed to give me the 56" for the same price of 899 so I am happy.

Couple of questions-- I jsut bought a 55" sxrd sony 1080p rear projection-- hwo does this compare to teh sony, which I find has an amazing picture?

second, my parents had a samsung and my uncle, and both had problems with power supplies going. Are there any inherent issues I shoudl know about before I decide whether to open the box and keep the tv?

thanks

p.s. i did not get a bb extended warranty-- bad or good move?
post #179 of 851
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Originally Posted by Quentin2 View Post

Wow, the HL50A650 $899 at Best Buy! Nice price...

Thanks for the update..I am going to CC to get $100 back. I payed 999 early this week.

I love the TV btw. I was playing with the settings and what I found was...using the moive setting with a color temp of warm2 is perfect for me to watch everyday tv.

Also great info on this tread..keep it up.
post #180 of 851
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Originally Posted by Quentin2 View Post

Wow, the HL50A650 $899 at Best Buy! Nice price...

My 56" also has light leakage on the left side from the vents but we can't see it from straight ahead so I've never considered it a problem. Off to the side it does show up. The case has to provide ventilation so if it really bothers you I doubt it could be corrected easily. Maybe you could set up some sort of a baffle close to the back to prevent it from projecting all the way to a wall yet still allow enough air circulation.

Thanks for the response. I went to Party City and picked up a piece of black foam board and cut a piece to cut off the light from the vent. I didn't block the vent just set the board so the light wouldn't reflect off the back wall. And it works. A simple solution but Samsung could have designed the vents so they either turned up or down more so the light wouldn't escape so easily. Oh well, it's a great set with a great picture.
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