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WWDC 2008 Predictions

post #1 of 36
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Apple's WWDC have taken the place of Macworld NY as Apple's mid-year show/announcement forum. Thus -- step right up with your predictions.

Mine are:

1) All iPhone all the time -- including iPhone 3G announcement, SDK 1.0 release, iPhone app store opening.
HT consequence: iPhone based universal remotes, iTunes streaming to iPhone, etc.

2) Rebranded and greatly enhanced .Mac -- now called MobileMe (or just Me)? Will include iPhone over the air synching, push e-mail, etc. Cross platform (Mac/Win) HT: ?

3) Leopard discussion, and 10.6 feature mention.

Will happen, just not at WWDC: iTablet -- HT: Better portable video (vs. iPod/iPhone).

Not happening at WWDC:
Blu-ray, Apple Cinema Display refresh, new MacMini.
post #2 of 36
I wouldn't be surprised to see a minor update for the Mini. It is lagging behind the MacBook quite a bit now.

I have been waiting for the refreshed chipset, which should allow 4GB memory, to buy one to use as a home Linux server.
post #3 of 36
I'm hoping for a Mac mini update. Using it with OSX XBMC is amazing. If they do announce one, I'll be picking one (Maybe two) the first day.
post #4 of 36
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Originally Posted by tji View Post

I wouldn't be surprised to see a minor update for the Mini. It is lagging behind the MacBook quite a bit now.

There may well be a Mini refresh, but I seriously doubt they are going to announce at WWDC. They didn't bother to announce a major MacPro bump at MacWorld, no way would they bother with the Mini. Now if they were to introduce the infamous Maxi/XMac -- sure, but that remains far fetched.
post #5 of 36
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Originally Posted by Ted Todorov View Post

There may well be a Mini refresh, but I seriously doubt they are going to announce at WWDC. They didn't bother to announce a major MacPro bump at MacWorld, no way would they bother with the Mini. Now if they were to introduce the infamous Maxi/XMac -- sure, but that remains far fetched.

Yeah, I think last time the Mini was speed bumped it wasn't even really announced.. it was just changed on the www site. So, I agree, it won't be a big part of any event. But, I'm hoping it happens soon.

On the other hand, Intel just announced their new chipset which includes GPU improvements that allow full offload of MPEG2 and H.264 HD content. I wouldn't mind waiting a bit more if it meant inclusion of that GPU.
post #6 of 36
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Originally Posted by tji View Post

On the other hand, Intel just announced their new chipset which includes GPU improvements that allow full offload of MPEG2 and H.264 HD content. I wouldn't mind waiting a bit more if it meant inclusion of that GPU.

If you mean Montevina (I don't know that you do), that has been delayed by Intel until August -- so maybe we will see it in MacBookPro's in Sept. 2008, and the Mini in... late 2009 if not 2010. Breath holding -- not advised.

However if Apple changes it's Apple Cinema Display line to Display Port -- all bets are off, and you may see a much ahead of schedule Mini update, so they can stay compatible. Or maybe they will just ship with a DVI to Display Port dongle...
post #7 of 36
I guess it's related to Centrino-2, It was just described as "series 4" in the articles I read.

http://www.electronista.com/articles...eries.chipset/
post #8 of 36
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Originally Posted by tji View Post

I guess it's related to Centrino-2, It was just described as "series 4" in the articles I read.

http://www.electronista.com/articles...eries.chipset/

Yes, that is Montevina. So I stand by my previous post. The only wildcard is Display Port -- if Apple decides to move ACDs to it, it could speed Montevina adoption on the Mini.
post #9 of 36
Any chance of blu-ray support?
post #10 of 36
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Originally Posted by Tweakophyte View Post

Any chance of blu-ray support?

Data? maybe. Movies? no.
post #11 of 36
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Originally Posted by Tweakophyte View Post

Any chance of blu-ray support?

On what? The Mini? Not any time soon. On anything else -- not before Montevina and Display Port. After that maybe. And definitely not at WWDC.

TUAW is confirming my Mac OS X 10.6 speculation. Then again maybe my AVS post is the "source"
post #12 of 36
It seems to me, Apple has always been a surprising company. Very often they seem to produce a product or program that is completely unexpected. I don't expect that to happen this time, but I hope it will.
post #13 of 36
I have to agree with Further here. The only thing that has me excited about WWDC this year around is the possibility that Apple will pull a rabbit out of their hat and introduce a product that none of us expect, or that the rumor mills are talking about.
post #14 of 36
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Originally Posted by wildrock View Post

I have to agree with Further here. The only thing that has me excited about WWDC this year around is the possibility that Apple will pull a rabbit out of their hat and introduce a product that none of us expect, or that the rumor mills are talking about.

Unless you are thinking of an iTablet, which is certainly possible, I doubt there will be any other rabbits.

I on the other hand am hugely excited by the possibilities of the iPhone app store/SDK/3G iPhone, etc. (Sorry Wildrock, I know AT&T is dissing your state). I really expect that iPhone apps to have a paradigm shifting potential. Apple is insuring a large installed base of users by giving away the iPod Touch to student Mac buyers until Sept. 15th. I think the iPhone/iPod Touch ecosystem will dwarf their competition and have developers frantically scrambling to join the gold rush. This will move quite a bit of new developers to Mac OS X (all iPhone SDK development is done on Macs), including game developers. When their apps start selling through iTunes, many will discover that Mac people are much more likely to pay than their Windows brethren.

End result -- a lot of new software will start appearing for Mac OS X desktop including games. The current furious Mac market share growth will accelerate, the iPhone (especially if Apple figures out how to make a cheaper "nano") may end up almost as successful as the iPod. Stunts like PC only Amazon Unbox or Netflix streaming will cease.
post #15 of 36
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Originally Posted by Ted Todorov View Post

Unless you are thinking of an iTablet, which is certainly possible, I doubt there will be any other rabbits.

...Sorry Wildrock, I know AT&T is dissing your state

I'm not really thinking of anything specific. I just think it is time for Steve to pull a real "oh, and one more thing" surprise on us. So I'm sort of a tabula rosa about that right now.

Snow Leopard seems to be a logical topic for discussion. Kind of out of the normal Apple dev cycle for OS X releases, by the sound of the rumors. Intel only, performance and energy tweaks. Cocoa inside and out. This makes sense, as it will be the final touch on perfecting OS X on Intel, and OS X for handhelds. The OS hub of Apple's digital world.

On the iPhone, Ted, many people are using them here in Montana on CellularOne. The local rep even gave me a card with some web addresses to buy some grey market unlocked iPhones. They've tweaked the network here to work well with it. So I'm probably going to break for a iPhone2, as my Nokia is starting to look a bit aged.

I'd love to see a new Cinema series display line. Our current ones are over two years old, and starting to get a bit out of gamma. It would be nice to replace them with a new generation. Otherwise I'd have to start looking at some competition. 23" LED backlit Cinema Displays would be righteous!
post #16 of 36
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Yes, I'm certainly very anxious for new Apple Cinema Displays, but my current hunch is that they won't happen before Display Port, for which you need Montevina, which was delayed into August.

Snow Leopard, if the reports on what it's about are true, seems like a reaction to the Vistaster. Apple decided to kick Microsoft while its down, not with more features but with performance (and hopefully rock solid reliability -- those digital audio related core dumps anyone?). If they deliver, and I believe they will -- look at what they've been doing with JavaScript performance in WebKit. I ran the benchmarks yesterday in Safari on Windows, vs. Internet Explorer 7 and Firefox. It was 8+ TIMES faster than EI, and more than double the speed of Firefox. Imagine that level Mac OS X performance across the board -- 8 times faster than Vista on identical hardware? The current stream of switchers will start turning into a flood.
post #17 of 36
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Originally Posted by Ted Todorov View Post

Yes, I'm certainly very anxious for new Apple Cinema Displays, but my current hunch is that they won't happen before Display Port, for which you need Montevina, which was delayed into August.

I bet the the new CD's will be dual port (or Apple will provide a DP -> DVI adapter). I don't see Apple not providing some backwards compatibility with new displays. That doesn't mean that Apple won't put off putting them on the market until it has a display card to support them. It just means that they shouldn't be hobbled by moving to DP.

And to throw a little fuel on Snow Leopard speculation, if ever their was an OS ripe for 3rd party licensing, Snow Leopard would be it. Maybe this will be the time for Apple to topple the Windows PC through targeted vertical market OS licensing.
post #18 of 36
Ted - I've seen you mention hopes on new displays. Is that for graphic/video performance reasons? Or marriage to mini? You've probably said, and I just missed it...

I hope you're right about Snow Leopard (performance focus); Apple has a real chance here to make huge in-roads...

ken
(I'm trying to figure out if I should replace my main server with an iMac or wait for new display coupled with Pro...)
post #19 of 36
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Originally Posted by wildrock View Post

And to throw a little fuel on Snow Leopard speculation, if ever their was an OS ripe for 3rd party licensing, Snow Leopard would be it. Maybe this will be the time for Apple to topple the Windows PC through targeted vertical market OS licensing.

Not gonna happen. Ever.
post #20 of 36
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Originally Posted by thejokell View Post

Not gonna happen. Ever.

They've already started with the Axiotron ModBook.
post #21 of 36
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Originally Posted by wildrock View Post

They've already started with the Axiotron ModBook.

So a modded MacBook is considered licensing?
post #22 of 36
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Originally Posted by wildrock View Post

They've already started with the Axiotron ModBook.

No they haven't. And the last time Apple did what you suggested it almost killed the company. Steve Jobs ending the licensing is what saved it. So no, it's not going to happen.
post #23 of 36
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Originally Posted by thejokell View Post

No they haven't. And the last time Apple did what you suggested it almost killed the company. Steve Jobs ending the licensing is what saved it. So no, it's not going to happen.

We risk straying WAY off the topic.. but I never thought the clones were what put the company in danger.. I simply thought they were a very good idea that happened during the period that the company was heading down the tubes anyway.
post #24 of 36
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Originally Posted by kenliles View Post

Ted - I've seen you mention hopes on new displays. Is that for graphic/video performance reasons? Or marriage to mini? You've probably said, and I just missed it...

I hope you're right about Snow Leopard (performance focus); Apple has a real chance here to make huge in-roads...

ken
(I'm trying to figure out if I should replace my main server with an iMac or wait for new display coupled with Pro...)

I am not married to the Mini. It was originally bought to be a headless CD player substitute -- full stop. I've already gotten 10 times more from it than I bargained for. I am trying to replace my ancient 20" ACD (bought days after they were introduced) with a 30" ACD. I test drove a 40" 1080P Samsung LCD last year (sent back due to HDMI bugs) and it was just too big to double as a computer monitor.

Of course if new 30" ACDs to materialize, unless something changes, I will need a MacPro or MacBookPro to drive it. So the Mini will go back to headless status. Or maybe Apple will release a 30" iMac (which I'd grab) or a Maxi or something none of us are dreaming of. If nothing materializes by Macworld 2009 I guess I'll have to start looking at 3rd party monitors. Another possibility -- Sony is releasing smaller, cheaper, 1080P sets in their XBR 6 line, LIST prices $1199 & $1499 for the 31.5" & 37" models. Of course then the original question of Mini compatibility rears its ugly head.

Back on topic (sort of) -- yes, the clones were one of the top reasons that Apple was losing money, which is why killing them was job #1 for Jobs. A full fledged cloning program will NEVER be a good idea, I will eat my hat if El Jobso does it. The only way clones are coming back is if Apple tries to conquer the office market and needs a second supplier to be considered by some companies. They would then license someone like Dell, HP or Lenovo to make one or two strictly spec-ed out by Apple models for corporate sales only. Now I don't believe for a moment that even that will materialize on Jobs' watch but it is the only thing that makes even the slightest sense.
post #25 of 36
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Originally Posted by zim2dive View Post

We risk straying WAY off the topic.. but I never thought the clones were what put the company in danger.. I simply thought they were a very good idea that happened during the period that the company was heading down the tubes anyway.

You'd be pretty alone in that thinking. People buying hardware other than Apple's is what was bleeding the company dry. Sure they made a bit of money on software, but look at the company now and figure out how much of their profits come from software sales. I'll give you a hint, it's marginal.

They are a hardware company first and foremost. By licensing their OS their sales of hardware would plummet, as they wouldn't compete with the low-end systems. Luckily Apple already knows this and they won't try it again.
post #26 of 36
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Originally Posted by Ted Todorov View Post

The only way clones are coming back is if Apple tries to conquer the office market and needs a second supplier to be considered by some companies. They would then license someone like Dell, HP or Lenovo to make one or two strictly spec-ed out by Apple models for corporate sales only. Now I don't believe for a moment that even that will materialize on Jobs' watch but it is the only thing that makes even the slightest sense.

I also wonder if the won't hit some flavor of monopoly situation depending on how big their marketshare gets, which could force their hand. I have no idea what that # would be.... and yes, I agree about the 2nd source possibility as well.

And also fully agree that pigs will fly 1st.
post #27 of 36
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Originally Posted by zim2dive View Post

I also wonder if the won't hit some flavor of monopoly situation depending on how big their marketshare gets, which could force their hand. I have no idea what that # would be.... and yes, I agree about the 2nd source possibility as well.

And also fully agree that pigs will fly 1st.

The only way they could run into problems with being labeled a monopoly would be if they actually took over the majority of the computing market. And to be honest, with the business market fully entrenched with Microsoft, that won't be happening here anytime soon.
post #28 of 36
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So a modded MacBook is considered licensing?

Here's a blurb from a USAToday article with the CEO of Axiotron:

"So Axiotron's German-born co-founder and CEO, Andreas Haas, a former Apple employee, figures Apple has been reluctant to pour its own resources into a Mac tablet.

In building Modbook because he wanted a Mac tablet Haas insists he's playing "within the rules." Axiotron has said Modbook was "authorized" by Apple through the obscure Proprietary Solution Provider program, a point hammered home in Axiotron's promotional materials.

Although Apple won't comment directly, Axiotron does not appear to have its complete blessing. There's no Apple warranty for Modbook. You must get it serviced (under its own one-year warranty) through an Axiotron authorized dealer, not in Apple Stores."

post #29 of 36
Look, folks. I wasn't trying to derail the thread here into a talk about the cloning wars of the '90s. I was just trying to point out that Apple has already let one outfit buy apple hardware and modify it for use in a vertical market--tablets. There are tons of other examples of vertical market applications for Apple hardware and software.

Apple will not repeat its mistakes of the '90s, which were many and varied. Apple could license out its OS in a variety of ways that would not repeat those mistakes. Or it could let its hardware/software continue to be repurposed like the ModBook (which will be expensive,as apple will get its full cut).

My comments about Snow Leopard, and coupled with what we know about Apple's strategy for the future--which is to have an OS-centric platform--is that it appears that Apple is consolidating and unifying all of its various hardware, software and service products around a fully Intel (or more correctly, non-PPC) and Cocoa based OS. That's a great thing, and the final chapter in Apple's rebirth as the platform of choice in the 21st century.

And it gives Apple a huge amount of leverage and control should it decide to move into niche or vertical markets. Letting folks like Axiotron do their thing allows Apple to maintain focus on its core businesses. And not assume risk, or dilute its brand.

If folks could get past dredging up the '90s, and look at Apple's direction over the next 10 years, you'll see what I'm talking about. If you wanted to start a business like Axiotron, and pick a vertical market that needs some attention (like a Mac-based htpc), and apply Apple technology to it, you'd probably get rich.
post #30 of 36
There's a huge difference between allowing the sale of modified APPLE hardware and selling your own hardware with a licensed copy of OS X.

Apple does NOT have an OS-centric business strategy. Its OS only exists to sell hardware.
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