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post #121 of 2719
min1963,

The 67" does reflect light, but it is very diffuse.
post #122 of 2719
Does Samsung offer firmware upgrades for end users?
post #123 of 2719
I have a yamaha rx-663bl on the way which upscales to 1080p with HDMI input/output as does the 67A750. What is the general impression of the 67's upscaling abilities to convert SD DVD? Would I be better off to let the receiver do the conversion or the tv? Or should I get an Oppo for the job?
post #124 of 2719
I have the 61A750 model. My dvd player is not an upconvert and I connect to the TV using components. I set the dvd player to output 480p. The picture looks as good as the TV HD channel.
post #125 of 2719
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Originally Posted by snowghost View Post

Does Samsung offer firmware upgrades for end users?


They are located on the website. Register your set and when you log in, all info, manuals and the newest firmware will show up under that registered TV.
post #126 of 2719
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Originally Posted by mtw4991 View Post

I have a yamaha rx-663bl on the way which upscales to 1080p with HDMI input/output as does the 67A750. What is the general impression of the 67's upscaling abilities to convert SD DVD? Would I be better off to let the receiver do the conversion or the tv? Or should I get an Oppo for the job?

Try letting them both up convert but I find the TV does a better job.
post #127 of 2719
Has anyone used Avical (or others) for professional calibration of their Sammys? If so, would the same settings work for all of us or are they specific to each tv? Was it worth the cost? Could you share your settings? Thanks!
post #128 of 2719
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Originally Posted by mtw4991 View Post

Has anyone used Avical (or others) for professional calibration of their Sammys? If so, would the same settings work for all of us or are they specific to each tv? Was it worth the cost? Could you share your settings? Thanks!

my 67" will be calibrated by avical in december.
and no the same setting will probably not work for all of us.
also a lot of the calibrating takes place in the service menus(if u can call it that)that u or me don't know anything about and can't adjust without specific software and hardware that most of us cannot afford and don't know how to use
post #129 of 2719
I would personally still like to try your settings after the calibration has been done
I just can not see spending another 400 bucks just to fine tune this set. I love my sammy and would love to be able to have the calibration done but I think they charge a bit too much...
post #130 of 2719
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Originally Posted by mtw4991 View Post

Has anyone used Avical (or others) for professional calibration of their Sammys? If so, would the same settings work for all of us or are they specific to each tv? Was it worth the cost? Could you share your settings? Thanks!

I don't go into my service menus any more. I had my LED DLP calibrated from Avical and the picture is superb. I used to go into the service menus between 2001 and 2006 but stopped since once it's calibrated I don't want to risk messing anything up. Even though I had Eliab do the calibration back in 2001, I had to go into that set's service menu to adjust the convergence periodically since it was a CRT RP set.
Anyway once I have a superb picture I'm not about to risk losing that.
post #131 of 2719
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Originally Posted by claytonc View Post

I would personally still like to try your settings after the calibration has been done
I just can not see spending another 400 bucks just to fine tune this set. I love my sammy and would love to be able to have the calibration done but I think they charge a bit too much...


You're unlikely to find that many people who will give you actual professional calibration settings. We have a lot of respect for the ISF guys/gals and they deserve to get paid for what they do.
post #132 of 2719
Of course they deserve to get paid for the work they do. And I also have respect for people with such knowledge. All I'm after is a solid starting point. Unlike the one I'm left with from the default settings Samsung has it set too. No disrespect intended. As I said, I would love a professional calibration done as well but I've already blown the wad lol

Was also reading on there site that you should give your set at least 3 weeks or 100 hours of play time before getting a calibration done. This gets the set pasts its original break-in time. I've only had mine 2 weeks now so I'm not even eligible lol!
post #133 of 2719
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Originally Posted by claytonc View Post

Of course they deserve to get paid for the work they do. And I also have respect for people with such knowledge. All I'm after is a solid starting point. Unlike the one I'm left with from the default settings Samsung has it set too. No disrespect intended. As I said, I would love a professional calibration done as well but I've already blown the wad lol

Was also reading on there site that you should give your set at least 3 weeks or 100 hours of play time before getting a calibration done. This gets the set pasts its original break-in time. I've only had mine 2 weeks now so I'm not even eligible lol!

LED DLP's require no break-in time at all before calibration.
post #134 of 2719
Thanks for the help with the 67A750 footprint a few days ago, guys. Although my TV hasn't arrived yet, my new stand has. I went with the Bell'O AVS-2126, which should do nicely IF it doesn't sit the TV up to high (this stand is 24" tall, and I like to recline in my sofa when watching TV). I'll post pics when the TV is on it.
post #135 of 2719
Finally pulled the trigger on this set! It is now shipping again from Amazon ($1999.98, no tax, no shipping ).

Avical is going to be in my area later this year. A question to all of you that have had your sets professionally calibrated..is it worth the $400+?
Are there any pictures of before/after?
post #136 of 2719
I got my 67a750 about a week ago. It is amazingly rich in color like a plasma. But I done for that really care for that punch. I am having trouble seeing detail in the blacks and the supernatural saturation is not so good for porn :-)

I have ordered the spyder3tv and hope that will help. I am wondering if I should have gone with the Mitsubishi and that "dark detailer" thing.

I previously had the JVC 52" HDILA and loved it. Esp for movies.
The sammy is much brighter during the day.

And one thing I really would love and answer for, that convergence thingy people have mentioned. When I get up close cyan on the top edge of things, magenta on the bottom. I have edge enhancement off. You cannot see this from viewing distance but cannot help but this the overall image quality suffers.

And honestly, my OCD KILLS ME! with this. Just knowing it is there. Is this normal for the tv or did I get a bad one?

Couple observations: off angle as good with my JVC and SD looks great. Blows away my 52 panasonic viera plasma in my bedroom (which is what I really use to watch porn on ;-)

-EC
post #137 of 2719
I've been toying around using this TV, making a purchase this fall. I finally saw it playing last night (at B.Buy). I noticed a "brighter horizontal area" that moved up and down from the center as you moved your head up and down from dead center. Is this "bright horizon", if you will, a normal aspect of this tv, or of DLP's in general? Or was the brightness just turned up too high on the TV? I didn't think to try to turn it down in the store.

Thanks!
post #138 of 2719
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Originally Posted by Telemaster View Post

min1963,

The 67" does reflect light, but it is very diffuse.

Can you have it both ways? I guess with the huge size of screens these days there is going to be more reflections than my current 27" CRT. I just don't want to find that I only have a few viewing hours per day that I'm not totally distracted by reflected natural lighting oo that of lights on in the house. I have a very open floor plan so it's something I'm trying to be conscience of.
post #139 of 2719
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Originally Posted by nith View Post

I have the 61A750 model. My dvd player is not an upconvert and I connect to the TV using components. I set the dvd player to output 480p. The picture looks as good as the TV HD channel.

Really? On my 67", DVDs over component look nowhere near as good as HD signals (don't expect them to 480p VS 1080i). Does this TV really upconvert over component?
post #140 of 2719
As far as brightness, I previously had a CRT and that was very washed out by the light in the room. The Samsung looks better in the same room (with the LED set on medium).
post #141 of 2719
Anybody have experience with Digital Liquidators or Quest4Cameras? They are offering the 67 for about $1675 including shipping. Sounds funny to me
post #142 of 2719
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Originally Posted by rlc1 View Post

I've been toying around using this TV, making a purchase this fall. I finally saw it playing last night (at B.Buy). I noticed a "brighter horizontal area" that moved up and down from the center as you moved your head up and down from dead center. Is this "bright horizon", if you will, a normal aspect of this tv, or of DLP's in general? Or was the brightness just turned up too high on the TV? I didn't think to try to turn it down in the store.

Thanks!

I really wish someone (knowledgeable owner) would address your question, I have seen it asked several times but I have never seen it answered very well at all. This has been the "ONE" thing that has kept me from purchasing this set so far.
Today I went to CC and talked/looked at this set for over an hour and know exactly what you are referring to. I have viewed it at several places like CC, BB, TV stores.
It appears to be "VERY" sensitive to viewing at a particular height (vertical), and also sensitive to seating angle (horizontal angle away from a dead center viewing). The 67 " set is worse than the 61" set, I guess because of the greater size.

I can't see where calibrating a set could change "this" situation but I really have no idea.

If you are in a position that the set is viewed basically dead in front of you are maybe at a small angle horizontally it is capable of an awesome picture.
As for the vertical, as I said it is definitely sensitive, so you "must" configure your TV stand and the set itself to be at eye level with the viewing seats so the center of the screen is at eye level, because bobbing your head up and down will cause differences in the viewing experience.

I hope this explanation helps you, maybe someone who has lived with one a while will jump in here and comment and possibly enlighten both of us.

Changeling

PS. There is always the Mitsubishi LaserView that just came out and is supposedly awesome for a mere $7,000.00, but reality (in my book) says this is absolutely ridiculous!
post #143 of 2719
I'm no expert in this area but I have owned a few rp tvs and I have seen this effect in all of them to one degree or another. It is more noticable in bigger tvs and brighter ones. Very noticable in scenes or menus with large areas of flat color. When you get a certain distance away, it totally dissappears. Unfortunately that distance seems to correspond to the point where the tv forms a fixed viewing angle with they eye. i.e. the bigger the screen the farther back you have to be so the effect is watching the same size tv.

If you are looking above your viewing room, form a triangle between both sides of the screen and your viewing position. The angle at your viewing position is the one I am referring to. If the screen gets bigger, that angle widens, so you have to pull back form the screen to shrink the angle. There seems to a limit to the maximum size that angle can be.

I have the 67. At six feet I can't really tolerate the effect but at 9 feet is not noticable during most programming.

The problem is I want to watch from close up to get the movie theatre feel.
Thats why I bought a big screen. 2000 is the top of my budget, so I have to make compromises. I could sit alot closer to the 52" before I saw the effect.
post #144 of 2719
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Originally Posted by jrcorwin View Post

You're unlikely to find that many people who will give you actual professional calibration settings. We have a lot of respect for the ISF guys/gals and they deserve to get paid for what they do.

well said
post #145 of 2719
changeling

You are bumming me out. I'm not able to see one of these and was thinking of ordering from Amazon from all the great reviews I've read. I have a fairly wide open living room with chairs/couch love seat scattered about. The viewing angle seems rather small with this set by your statement.

Just out of curiosity I went to a friend's house who has an older 57" Mitsu DLP and it seemed that you could look at it from any reasonable viewing angle. Is the 67" Sammy that bad? I think the specs said a horizontal viewing angle of 100* and vertical of 40* which I thought sounded reasonable to me.

TIA
post #146 of 2719
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Originally Posted by mln1963 View Post

Just out of curiosity I went to a friend's house who has an older 57" Mitsu DLP and it seemed that you could look at it from any reasonable viewing angle. Is the 67" Sammy that bad? I think the specs said a horizontal viewing angle of 100* and vertical of 40* which I thought sounded reasonable to me.

Horizontal is 70 degrees from center and vertical is 30 degrees from center.
post #147 of 2719
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Originally Posted by mullmann View Post

Horizontal is 70 degrees from center and vertical is 30 degrees from center.

That seems rather narrow. Is that practical for most applications? What are the specs on bulb type DLPs?
post #148 of 2719
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Originally Posted by mln1963 View Post

That seems rather narrow. Is that practical for most applications? What are the specs on bulb type DLPs?

I'm good with mine at 8-9 feet coming from a Sony Bravia XBR4. Sure when you stand up and move your head around you see the effect, but sitting down and moving your head et al. it's a non issue.
post #149 of 2719
I am much more concerned about this convergence issue described in the thread. When I get close I see the cyan and magenta smears on the top and bottom of bright objects and letters. While it is not really noticable from more that a foot away I have 2 problems with this.

1. It HAS to affect the overall sharpness of the picture even though you cannot see it directly. These color blurs are several pixels wide.

2. Just knowing it is there... my OCD is KILLING ME!

Are there any experts out there? Is this normal or did I get a bad one?
post #150 of 2719
I sit 8' from my 50A650 with eye level at 1/4 up from the bottom rather than half-way up as recommended because I sit in a recliner, tilted up at the TV...tilting the TV about 2" forward at the top (by putting a thin sheet of wood under the rear edge of the base) gives me a nice evenly lit picture, pretty much eliminating vignetting at the top...
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