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post #151 of 2719
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Originally Posted by mln1963 View Post

That seems rather narrow. Is that practical for most applications? What are the specs on bulb type DLPs?

The horizontal viewing angle is 70 degrees left and right of the center of the screen for a total of 140 degrees.

The vertical viewing angle is 30 degrees above and below the center of the screen for a total of 60 degrees.
post #152 of 2719
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Originally Posted by BillyBeatnik View Post

The horizontal viewing angle is 70 degrees left and right of the center of the screen for a total of 140 degrees.

The vertical viewing angle is 30 degrees above and below the center of the screen for a total of 60 degrees.

Thanks, that sounds better.

My wife suffers from CSS (can't sit still) and is always roaming around the house while she "watches TV". That and the layout of the house give me concern. 140* seems like a pretty wide birth, not LCD wide but reasonable. The 60* vertical seems to be the one that gives people problems? I'm wondering if I would be better off with a bulb DLP? They aren't the latest and greatest but something else will knock LED DLP off the top at some point.
post #153 of 2719
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Originally Posted by mln1963 View Post

T I'm wondering if I would be better off with a bulb DLP? They aren't the latest and greatest but something else will knock LED DLP off the top at some point.

After debating whether to replace my SOny 65" set with a DLP, I paid $340 to have the convergence chips fixed on it and it looks great. The repairman told me that all of the newer technologies have flaws, and that even though DLP offers a big screen size for the $, you'll make up the difference in paying for expensive bulbs. Plus, he said he has seen his share of bad color wheels. He did add that the Samsung LED sets sound like a good deal. He has not seen one yet in repair (too new), but thinks that it has the potential of offering long life that only CRT offers.
So, if you are thinking of getting DLP, I'd only consider the LED ones. One real nice thing about DLP is that the technology has matured a lot- they look way nicer than they did when they first came out (my sister has a first gen Samsung 60" DLP and I think it looks bad, despite all my tweeking) and it is always good to buy something that has the bugs worked out.
post #154 of 2719
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Originally Posted by mln1963 View Post

changeling

You are bumming me out. I'm not able to see one of these and was thinking of ordering from Amazon from all the great reviews I've read. I have a fairly wide open living room with chairs/couch love seat scattered about. The viewing angle seems rather small with this set by your statement.

Just out of curiosity I went to a friend's house who has an older 57" Mitsu DLP and it seemed that you could look at it from any reasonable viewing angle. Is the 67" Sammy that bad? I think the specs said a horizontal viewing angle of 100* and vertical of 40* which I thought sounded reasonable to me.

TIA

I'm very sorry I am "Bumming" you out. I simply told you how "I" view this TV, I know nothing about other RPTV's, my only interest was in getting a new TV so I started looking at what was considered the best. All my information concerning what is best relative to RPTV was gleaned from this web site. So the 61 and 67 inch 750 series (Samsung) is all I have paid any attention to whatsoever!

If your viewing area is as you describe I would strongly suggest that you find a way of seeing these sets, heck that go's for any type of set be it LDP/Plasma/LCD. Everyone is different and what might be great for your taste, I might see in a different way.
However, you really should see whatever you get before you buy!

Good luck, Changeling
post #155 of 2719
Changeling

I'm glad you have reported what you found. Although it may bum me out that is not your fault and I didn't mean to come across that way. I'd rather be informed than just a lemming flocking to a new product. I appreciate the honesty and don't want you to sugar coat it. That is why I am here, to gather facts, both good and bad.
post #156 of 2719
Despite the idiosyncrasies I and others have described here I have to say I love this TV. As you get farther back the picture evens out. And did I mention the picture? It is phenomenal. Richer and brighter that any RP I have seen and rivals my plasma. SD looks very very good on it (unlike my plasma) and in movie mode (I think it has 3:2 pulldown) much more of a movie going experience. No rainbows anymore and much less silk screen effect than my HDILA. The TV is so bright I have to tone it down to watch the thing in the dark! And all for $1800. So what I can't sit 4 feet from it, any tv is about tradeoffs.

I just watched 5th element on the thing in HD and WOW!

The blacks can be too rich and inky and I wonder how Mitsubishi's Dark Detailer would work. I suspect the DD is a frill like DC I don't know. But I have looked at a ton of 65+ tvs and the bang for the buck is the LED sammy.

Anyone have thoughts about DD?

And anyone have my "convergence issue?"
post #157 of 2719
where did you get the 67 for $1800??? Thanks
post #158 of 2719
Are we allowed to say? I got it at a place call Brand Smart USA in Atlanta. I went in 15 minutes before they closed and said I want this TV and I will pay this much for it.

He tried to upsell with the stand, warrenties, accessories, and said he couldn't do it at that price. I told him don't need any overpriced HDMI cable or a $20 stand for $300 bucks. (I was very polite about it mind you) I handed him a print out of THIS thread where the guy got his at HH Gregg for $1670 with some other stuff. I started to walk out and said I'll go there and next thing you know he was ringing me up. It was tax free weekend too!
post #159 of 2719
circuitcity.com has a nice price for the 67"

sale price $2099-10%off coupon(PKACD5EARN) = $1889+ tax u must order online and pick up at store
post #160 of 2719
[Anyone have thoughts about DD?]


I have the Mits 73835 and (with the iris) produces very good blacks-I guess this is the DD but I am not sure.The overall picture quality is fantastic. Ron
post #161 of 2719
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Originally Posted by onepanda View Post

Are you using surround sound? If so, where are you putting your center speaker? - If you have any pictures, please post.

Also, do these stands usually come assembled?

I have my center speaker on TOP of my TV. Yes, you read it right. I jimmied up a neat little arrangement to allow me to set my speaker safely and comfortably on top of my Sammy. It's kind of hard to show in a pic, so if someone wants more details, drop me a note.
post #162 of 2719
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Originally Posted by domingos1965 View Post

circuitcity.com has a nice price for the 67"

sale price $2099-10%off coupon(PKACD5EARN) = $1889+ tax u must order online and pick up at store

*le sigh*. My T.V. arrived Sunday. Ordered Saturday. I paid $2199. I e-mailed them asking to make good on their price match and give me the $100, since it dropped price 1 day later.

I'm happy with the set though. It looks great. Picture is amazing. I barely notice rainbows at all on this set. I'm somewhat sensitive, but I only seem to notice it when I get really sleepy or bored with a movie with this T.V. compared to other DLP's. When I'm really into a movie I can't notice it.
post #163 of 2719
I've spent the entire weekend being a couch potato enjoying my new "toy." The picture quality is amazing! I highly recommend this set as the best bang for the buck. I'm still tweaking the numerous settings available and watched some football games in HD for the first time yesterday. Incredible! Ordered from Amazon on Tuesday and was delivered and setup Friday morning. Free shipping and no tax. Life is good!
post #164 of 2719
Hi,

I am likely moving at the end of the month and am thinking of replacing my Mitsubishi WD-65833 with this model Samsung. I owned a Samsung DLP years ago and had issues with tilt, geometry, screen smudges, etc. Do these issues still plague Samsung DLPs? And what is the Just Scan feature? Does that correct for overscan?

Thanks,
Bryan
bferr1
post #165 of 2719
Ordered mine today!!!! I have a Onecall credit card with a zero balance and they pricematched Vann's $1889 shipped with 12 months interest free.

The bad part is I live in NC and the nearest warehouse in West Virginia is out of stock and may be one or two weeks before they get them in stock and them 3 or four days for shipping. I will keep a lookout for lower prices and make sure the pricematch it accordingly. They also offered me a 10% discount on all of the extended warranty that they offer but I haven't decided on that part yet.

I am upgrading from a 50" Sony KDS-50A3000 that I also think is fantastic but I sit 11 feet and it looks kind of small at that distance.
post #166 of 2719
Well, my TV arrived today. Had to buy it from amazon instead of a local custom installer b/c the installer couldn't get the TV in when he said he would.

I've read a lot of complaints about Eagle/CEVA, who amazon uses to ship these TVs. I had a great experience with them. I bought the TV at 1pm central time friday. Amazon immediately popped up with a Tuesday ship date, which I wasn't happy about. Turned out, it actually shipped from PA on Friday, and was in Kansas City (where I live) Sunday morning. TV was delivered first thing this morning. Driver was awesome, as was customer service at the KC office when I called to arrange delivery.

If I can figure out how to post photos here I'll show you a couple photos of the TV with factory settings. Still trying to figure out if the settings posted over in the 61 thread are good for the 67. Gotta say I'm really enjoying the Bell'O AVS-2126 stand I got for the TB as well.

Thanks to all who helped me do my homework on TVs over the last several weeks!
LL
LL
post #167 of 2719
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Originally Posted by aggielaw View Post

Well, my TV arrived today. Had to buy it from amazon instead of a local custom installer b/c the installer couldn't get the TV in when he said he would.

I've read a lot of complaints about Eagle/CEVA, who amazon uses to ship these TVs. I had a great experience with them. I bought the TV at 1pm central time friday. Amazon immediately popped up with a Tuesday ship date, which I wasn't happy about. Turned out, it actually shipped from PA on Friday, and was in Kansas City (where I live) Sunday morning. TV was delivered first thing this morning. Driver was awesome, as was customer service at the KC office when I called to arrange delivery.

If I can figure out how to post photos here I'll show you a couple photos of the TV with factory settings. Still trying to figure out if the settings posted over in the 61 thread are good for the 67. Gotta say I'm really enjoying the Bell'O AVS-2126 stand I got for the TB as well.

Thanks to all who helped me do my homework on TVs over the last several weeks!

I have purchased 3 TV's from Amazon and have never had a problem with Ceva. And I enjoy not paying sales tax or extra delivery charges, and letting them carry it in, un-box and test. By the way, I think you are supposed to be taking care of that baby instead of fooling with the TV.

Mickey
post #168 of 2719
I'm picking up my 67 on Saturday and have a question about moving it around the house(still boxed) to get it upstairs...

(1) It will be carried upright up the stairs but then must be turned upright almost vertically to make it around a 90 degree corner. Will turning it upright momentarily hurt it? Cause any misalignment/geometry issues? Does this dlp have a "set of mirror" that could get out of alignment that easy?

(2) My neighbor went to pick his 61A750 up yesterday at BB in his $40k minivan and they told him he couldn't lay it down flat for the 5 minute ride to his house or it would void his warranty and they would be "required" to immediately notify Samsung of his actions. He then proceeded to pay $90 for home delivery????? Truth or pressure tactics?

Thanks for the help.
post #169 of 2719
i'm gonna write this to help those of you that might be on the fence about your purchase.
first off i got my 67 sammy from a B&M store, sound advice in orlando, they price matched hhgregg from down the road and the sales guy is a friend of mine from highschool . $2150 + tax out the door. he knew i was looking on this site and researching the heck out of rpt's so that i knew what i was getting. when i told him i was really leaning towards the 67 sammy he said that it was the best one out there for the money. its a cadillac compared to a cavalier....his exact words. also he said that when his repair guys leave in the mornings to go out to fix tv's they've sold that the carts are all loaded up with mitsubishi parts and bulbs to replace.....none of the sammy leds have problems, in his words. we brought the tv home in our 2007 yukon xl face down, thats the way the four sales people loaded it into the suv. they said it didn't matter to lay it on its side. no problems once we got home with it since, no specks no bowing no hourglass nothing! 100% beautiful picture. yes the tv is a little flismy at the top but it can easily be tweaked a little to set the picture straight if any misalignment is seen. i can't imagine that if you can pick up this set yourself and save the delivery charge and take it home right then why wouldn't you? besides the money saved would easily pay for the gas to return it if you had to and i think my suv or your truck or minivan would ride alot better than the box truck with no suspension. besides, these tv come from overseas so they've already been forklifted trucked containered trucked forklifted shipped by truck to you.....see where i'm going...STOP OVER THINKING THIS!

mine is set up in a room 25ft by 26 ft . viewing it is possible from anywhere in the room no matter the angle. seating is as close as 9ft on the sides to 13ft dead center. i used the settings from this site to set up the set and so far wow. sports hd bluray regular dvds upscaled.... awesome. remember this, when you bring home a set no matter what set YOU choose, IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE THE BEST TV IN THE ROOM, it will have the best blacks whites blues greens because it's the only one to look at in YOUR room at that time

one more thing this tv uses the least amount of power of ANY this size, big plus in my book. my electric bill is $275 now, what will it be 10 years from now? the more i save today will only mean more savings later too.

enough for now thanks for reading, i'm going to watch my 67 sammy now,. feel free to ask me questions if you like.
post #170 of 2719
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Originally Posted by mtw4991 View Post

(2) My neighbor went to pick his 61A750 up yesterday at BB in his $40k minivan and they told him he couldn't lay it down flat for the 5 minute ride to his house or it would void his warranty and they would be "required" to immediately notify Samsung of his actions. He then proceeded to pay $90 for home delivery????? Truth or pressure tactics?

Truth, to my knowledge. If I understand right you should not lay an RPTV set down flat (either on the front or back), or really at any other angle, or it could risk damaging something. The same goes for plasmas.
post #171 of 2719
Thanks TNTR70!
I was thinking the same thing seeing as how it is shipped around the world, multiple trucks, lifts, etc not to mention being handled by 20 or more warehouse guys who could care less.

More str8 talk like this is whats needed in the world!
post #172 of 2719
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Originally Posted by tntr70 View Post

i'm gonna write this to help those of you that might be on the fence about your purchase.
first off i got my 67 sammy from a B&M store, sound advice in orlando, they price matched hhgregg from down the road and the sales guy is a friend of mine from highschool . $2150 + tax out the door. he knew i was looking on this site and researching the heck out of rpt's so that i knew what i was getting. when i told him i was really leaning towards the 67 sammy he said that it was the best one out there for the money. its a cadillac compared to a cavalier....his exact words. also he said that when his repair guys leave in the mornings to go out to fix tv's they've sold that the carts are all loaded up with mitsubishi parts and bulbs to replace.....none of the sammy leds have problems, in his words. we brought the tv home in our 2007 yukon xl face down, thats the way the four sales people loaded it into the suv. they said it didn't matter to lay it on its side. no problems once we got home with it since, no specks no bowing no hourglass nothing! 100% beautiful picture. yes the tv is a little flismy at the top but it can easily be tweaked a little to set the picture straight if any misalignment is seen. i can't imagine that if you can pick up this set yourself and save the delivery charge and take it home right then why wouldn't you? besides the money saved would easily pay for the gas to return it if you had to and i think my suv or your truck or minivan would ride alot better than the box truck with no suspension. besides, these tv come from overseas so they've already been forklifted trucked containered trucked forklifted shipped by truck to you.....see where i'm going...STOP OVER THINKING THIS!

mine is set up in a room 25ft by 26 ft . viewing it is possible from anywhere in the room no matter the angle. seating is as close as 9ft on the sides to 13ft dead center. i used the settings from this site to set up the set and so far wow. sports hd bluray regular dvds upscaled.... awesome. remember this, when you bring home a set no matter what set YOU choose, IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY BE THE BEST TV IN THE ROOM, it will have the best blacks whites blues greens because it's the only one to look at in YOUR room at that time

one more thing this tv uses the least amount of power of ANY this size, big plus in my book. my electric bill is $275 now, what will it be 10 years from now? the more i save today will only mean more savings later too.

enough for now thanks for reading, i'm going to watch my 67 sammy now,. feel free to ask me questions if you like.

u paid to much for your tv
it was on sale for $1889 at CC over the weekend and its now $2099
post #173 of 2719
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Originally Posted by domingos1965 View Post

u paid to much for your tv
it was on sale for $1889 at CC over the weekend

got mine like two months ago and even then online might have only been a little cheaper. i expect with the economy now that these will come down even further. a hundred here or there really wouldn't have bothered me that much to lose sleep over. besides that, most of these stores are comisioned base and i'm pretty sure they are hurting to sell these big ticket items any how so it doesn't bother me to know that i helped a friend pay his bills with what he made off me. alot of other people are really hurting now so i feel better knowing he'll remember me when he needs my services too.
post #174 of 2719
Ok, continues to be a lot of questions and concerns about transporting, tipping, laying flat, etc. So I thought I take a crack at it. I have experience in design/development and ship packaging (and resultant field issues), though NOT FOR TVs (but for other large electronics).

For RPTVs, there is no bowl of liquid or plate of marbles inside!

So yes you can tip or turn BUT.....

The issue is "shock and vibe" and how the product is designed to withstand it, and then in particular for movement (i.e. transporting) how the ship packaging is designed.

The TV is designed to sit on it's stand and support the weight that way. So you should not turn the TV upside down AND SIT IT DOWN. The structure of the TV is not designed to support it's weight that way. I assume that is obvious.

For transporting, again it is not what angle or side, IF you were transporting in a gravity free environment and could guarantee no shocks (i.e. nothing would hit it and it would not hit anything).

But since it is transported in a real world with gravity and with shocks and vibration, the ship packaging (i.e. the box, cardboard, styrofoam, etc.) is designed to work with the required ship orientation (for RPTV that is normal vertical) to dissapate and control shock and vibration transmission to the product.

There is a tradeoff between the actual product design and the ship packaging design. You could design the product like a tank, and then it would need very little ship packaging. However that raises your cost (and has other effects like the visual design of the product, eg. it's "looks").

For the RPTVs, open the box and look. Between the built in stand/foot and the styrofoam in the bottom, it is built to take shock and vibe from the bottom with the TV upright. It is NOT built to be transported on it's side (or upside down).

Anecdotes abound from people, who would swear you can strap it on a camel without the box and transport down a mountain side.

However you are just playing the odds.

I would NEVER transport an expensive (and "delicate") purchase without the packaging, and I would NEVER transport it NOT in the intended shipping orientation. By transport, I mean moving from one site to another site, not from one room to another.

So if you can't fit it upright in your car in the box, then you take the risk (and you might just be fine... but might not), if you want to lay it on it's side or take it out of the box. If I was a retailer, I would demonstrate the TV works in the store, and the tell the person who wanted to throw it in a car on it's back or w/o the packaging, that its your choice, but you forgo your 30 day no questions asked return policy.

If you are moving it up stairs and have to tilt it, NOT a problem, as long as you don't bump it into something.

Sorry for long disertation, hope it helps someone.
post #175 of 2719
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Originally Posted by tntr70 View Post

got mine like two months ago and even then online might have only been a little cheaper. i expect with the economy now that these will come down even further. a hundred here or there really wouldn't have bothered me that much to lose sleep over. besides that, most of these stores are comisioned base and i'm pretty sure they are hurting to sell these big ticket items any how so it doesn't bother me to know that i helped a friend pay his bills with what he made off me. alot of other people are really hurting now so i feel better knowing he'll remember me when he needs my services too.

i understand
post #176 of 2719
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Originally Posted by mtw4991 View Post

I'm picking up my 67 on Saturday and have a question about moving it around the house(still boxed) to get it upstairs...

(1) It will be carried upright up the stairs but then must be turned upright almost vertically to make it around a 90 degree corner. Will turning it upright momentarily hurt it? Cause any misalignment/geometry issues? Does this dlp have a "set of mirror" that could get out of alignment that easy?

(2) My neighbor went to pick his 61A750 up yesterday at BB in his $40k minivan and they told him he couldn't lay it down flat for the 5 minute ride to his house or it would void his warranty and they would be "required" to immediately notify Samsung of his actions. He then proceeded to pay $90 for home delivery????? Truth or pressure tactics?

Thanks for the help.

I guess it could be true, but I'm doubtful that they would call samsung up. They can't even bother to come over and help somebody after they've been there for 20 minutes but they're going to take the time to call Samsung? I wish someone on here worked for BB and could confirm or deny this.
post #177 of 2719
I got my 50A650 bulb version of the Sammy DLP and have kept the box...in the shed filled with other boxes...at least for these 1st 30 days in case I have to return it...there is NO back to front cushioning/filler to support/brace/cushion the set if layed on its back or front...seems to me that it'd cost less than $90/day to rent a vehicle large enuf to move the set as it is intended to be moved...if you're buying an EW, I'd not give BB/CC any "out"/reason to blame YOU for any manufact/vendor-caused problem...
post #178 of 2719
Can anyone give me the acutual dimensions of the box, not the set, just the box? Thx

Also, I know the 61 sometimes has pretty severe geometry issues...anybody have the tilt/geometry issue with their 67?
post #179 of 2719
I got an open box 67a750 for $1800 at the Video Only in Portland, OR. I first got the Mitsubishi 65736, but the rainbow effect was bothering me. I'm happier with the Samsung. There's still some rainbow, but you have to really be looking for it. I can only see it with a test image I made. Here are some pics:


















There was about a 1/4" geometry tilt at the top. Some massaging helped. It seems to be gone now.

I was getting inconsistent text rendering (some too bold, some too light, depending on screen position) until I named the HDMI3/DVI input "PC". I think it set one of the picture modes to PC. It also shrunk the screen size, getting rid of the overscan, but it shrank it too much, so I simply enlarged and moved the screen. It's a perfect fit now. The blueish top and bottom happens IRL too. It works great as a PC though. Cleartype was discoloring some text, so I switched to "standard" font smoothing. Hulu's a lot of fun with it. Now that flash 10 is out, fullscreen in the hd channel works smoothly. I'm also using it for StepMania and Media Center. I'm using a Logitech wireless optical mouse with some buttons remapped for page zooming. I'm using the NoSquint firefox extension, which remembers page zoom and sets a default zoom. I'm using the on screen keyboard for now. My couch is about 12-13' away.

The picture's great. Less vibrant than the 65736, but after a while the 65736's "Brilliant" mode became a little too much, and I ended up setting it to "Natural", which is about on par with the Samsung. For night time web browsing, I set the LED brightness to medium. It'd be nice if that was easier to get to in the menus (like under the Tools menu).

I noticed a small (50-100ms) lip syncing problem when watching a blu-ray movie on the ps3. It was hard to tell if the audio was late or early. My receiver doesn't have HDMI, so the HDMI's going to the TV and the digital audio's going to the receiver. I set the tv to Game mode, and I think that helped a bit. I need to play around with it some more before I can say it's a problem.

For a stand, I went with the BDI Cielo 9329. It's only 18" deep, so the receiver and HTPC stick out a bit. The cable management in the back is nice. It's a great stand if you don't mind spending $800. I got the floor model at Fishels for $799 (tvstands link). This was my cheap option. I wanted something low and wide with no doors.

The viewing height is better than the Mitsu but it was still a little too high, so my MacGuyver fix is propping up the back/tilting it forward with folded paper towels on the sides and center.
post #180 of 2719
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I can't believe how clear the web looks, everything I have read about viewing the net on this tv made it sound like it would be blury.
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