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post #61 of 110
Just wondering what the type / name of the carpet you had was before the flood?
post #62 of 110
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Sorry man, I tried digging through my files but could not find it. All I can tell you is that it was a basic berber in a beige-ish color.
post #63 of 110
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Time to say goodbye to the IB. I've been having to go into the crawlspace much more than anticipated and it was becoming too inconvenient. So the IB's are getting replaced by 2 ported subs.

7 cubes, two 4" ports, 19hz tuned



It was not fun working outside below freezing! MDF dust literally froze to the ground and had to take a shovel to it to get it off. Moving the subs in and out repeatedly was not fun either.





Here's a look at the insides. Assembled using wood glue + pocket screws. PL premium on the last layer. 4" mineral wool behind the driver covered with batting to prevent fibers from flying out the port. 1.5" rigid fiberglass everywhere else. This stuff was nice in that it had a black surface that can be left exposed. The insulation took up quite a bit of volume so I'm curious where the final tune will net out, still have to measure that.





The finished product, and yes, I know they are ugly. But they are going behind my screen wall never to be seen again.



So far, I've only listened to them near field with music and they sound great. Nice, tight, punchy with accurate tonality. I can hear notes, not just boom. I hope they play just as nice behind the screen wall.



Next up, fire up REW, play around with final positioning, bass traps, and eq.


Edited by pocoloco - 3/5/14 at 1:30pm
post #64 of 110
pocoloco,

A quick hello from a neighbor in Wisconsin.

I noticed you didn't have an AT screen and your speakers were out to the edges of the 2.35 screen. Did you notice any type of inbalance in the audio from the L/R when watching 16:9 movies?
post #65 of 110
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Hey Mario...

Just discovered your build thread. Beautiful renders! I'll be following it closely.

Speakers in the corners for me isn't bad at all. Perhaps it's because my active monitors have filters in place that compensate for corner placement. Pans across the screen are seamless in all my seats. The only issue is sometimes, when I'm sitting in the far left or right seats, the corresponding speaker seems a tad louder than the other speaker in the far corner. And if I listen closely, I can still hear the center channel below the screen. But when engaged in a movie, it's really a non-issue for me.

Audiowise, I think speakers placed away from boundaries behind an AT screen will always win out. So if your pj can light up your 12' AT screen sufficiently, then it would be a no brainer. I am more picky about video than audio hence my current setup. But my next project is to get an AT fabric and mount it to my carada frame and test out how the AT affects the video. Not because of L/R performance but because I want the center channel coming from behind the screen. If the video isn't compromised, I will stick with that setup. But that is a few months out as I just completed my subs and I need to pay some attention to my wife
post #66 of 110
Thread Starter 

Got them behind the screen wall.


After bass traps


These subs are blowing me away... literally. You can't even being to compare the output of these subs vs. my non-corner loaded IB. I was showing the shotgun scene in the beginning of Ratatouille to a buddy and he literally jumped off the sofa and watched the rest from the back of the room. Granted me and my 2 year old were closer in having a fun time but he was not expecting it at all and was visibly shocked.  


Edited by pocoloco - 3/5/14 at 1:31pm
post #67 of 110
pocoloco

I think I'm gunna have to build a couple of those subs I look forward to more of you input as you continue to demo them. What kind of amp ?
post #68 of 110
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samson s1000, left overs from an old SVS years ago. each sub is getting 500w. Subs are eq'd pretty flat and got a nice house curve going on... they keep getting louder as it goes deeper. The only "issue" is long decay times throughout the subwoofer band and I don't know what more I can do to reduce them. subjectively, it sounds great to me, but measurements are telling me that they are too long.
post #69 of 110
Me likey I'll take two!!!
post #70 of 110
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Originally Posted by pocoloco View Post

Hey Mario...

Just discovered your build thread. Beautiful renders! I'll be following it closely.

Speakers in the corners for me isn't bad at all. Perhaps it's because my active monitors have filters in place that compensate for corner placement. Pans across the screen are seamless in all my seats. The only issue is sometimes, when I'm sitting in the far left or right seats, the corresponding speaker seems a tad louder than the other speaker in the far corner. And if I listen closely, I can still hear the center channel below the screen. But when engaged in a movie, it's really a non-issue for me.

Audiowise, I think speakers placed away from boundaries behind an AT screen will always win out. So if your pj can light up your 12' AT screen sufficiently, then it would be a no brainer. I am more picky about video than audio hence my current setup. But my next project is to get an AT fabric and mount it to my carada frame and test out how the AT affects the video. Not because of L/R performance but because I want the center channel coming from behind the screen. If the video isn't compromised, I will stick with that setup. But that is a few months out as I just completed my subs and I need to pay some attention to my wife

Thanks for the info. It looks like I'm going to have to make a variety of compromises to balance video and sound in my theater.
post #71 of 110
pocoloco just discovered your build, great job. I love your stage design. Are you still enjoying the twins?
post #72 of 110
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Yes I am. Still lovin the reaction from folks when demoing the ratatouille shotgun scene
post #73 of 110
Great looking theater. I think I have an even bigger soffit running down the left side of the space I will use as a theater. It's nice to know that it won't look as bad as I imagined it might, gives me hope.
post #74 of 110
Looks great...what color are the walls? if you remember.
post #75 of 110
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Benjamin Moore 2108-50 Silver Fox. I got it from a room I saw at a local Room & Board. I find going to nicer furniture stores is a good way to get inspirations for colors and they usually have swatches.
post #76 of 110
Thanks
post #77 of 110
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Originally Posted by pocoloco View Post

I occasionally connect temporary equipment to the theater and to make that easier, an auxiliary i/o panel was installed on the back wall.

Row 1
RCA (Left)
RCA (Right)
Optical
HDMI

Row 2
USB 1
USB 2
Ethernet
Headphone








This is just what I've been looking for. Where did you get it and how much if you don't mind....
post #78 of 110
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This is just what I've been looking for. Where did you get it and how much if you don't mind....

Nick,

I have something similar in my thread. I picked mine up from DataPro. It definately wasn't cheap, but the conveinance is nice.
post #79 of 110
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Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post

This is just what I've been looking for. Where did you get it and how much if you don't mind....

It's been a while so I don't remember where but they are available all over the web. They're called "keystone inserts" so google that or any specific connector you're looking for... ex: "hdmi keystone".
post #80 of 110


I can honestly say this is probably one of my favorite rooms on this forum. I like the balance of home and theater. I like seeing these rooms on here with recliners but I am definitely a sucker for couches in a theater room.

Very nice work and room you have here.

Matt
post #81 of 110
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Thanks. I went from ht seats to a sectional but now have a mattress in front of the sectional. We put the mattress there because we had no place to put it for a short period of time but after using it that way, we didn't want to remove it. it's too cozy.
post #82 of 110
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I posted this in the screen forum but thought I'd post here:

Here's my Carada retrofit project. Currently have a 120" 2.35 carada screen but always wanted an AT setup. I was able to successfully mount the XD fabric onto the carada frame using the existing snaps on the frame.

Rex from Carada was nice enough to let me purchase the factory snaps they use on their screens. Can't say enough about how nice these guys are. If they had an AT fabric option, I would have just bought one from them and saved my hands the pain. I bought the plier tool separately. Had to put a lot of pressure on the pliers to attach the snaps but it worked.



Here's the XD fabric precision cut to size and laid on top of the frame.



Working from the center out, installed the snaps one by one as they were mounted. Took about 3 hours.





There were a few waves that required me to rip out some snaps and reinstall.



Final product.



I'm impressed by the screen. I was worried that it'd be dim and that I'd see the screen texture but no problems at all. It looks great from 12' back. Loving the audio coming straight out of the screen.


Edited by pocoloco - 3/5/14 at 1:34pm
post #83 of 110
Outstanding (and I bet tedious) work on that XD retro fit. Good to know that Carada will make snaps available.
post #84 of 110
Nice job
post #85 of 110
How do you find your Mackies? Being active monitors? I have two Phonic P5A that I originally bought for music and recording, thinking they could be useful for a HT in the future. I'm still not sure if active is the way to go, if it is, I could buy a third one for an LCR setup.
post #86 of 110
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Originally Posted by rodrigo18 View Post

How do you find your Mackies? Being active monitors? I have two Phonic P5A that I originally bought for music and recording, thinking they could be useful for a HT in the future. I'm still not sure if active is the way to go, if it is, I could buy a third one for an LCR setup.

I love my mackies but can't make generalizations for active vs passive because it's really a case by case thing. Plenty of good and bad in both departments. Being that you already have monitors, I'd place them in a room that you expect to be comparable to your future HT: size, listening distance, source material, volume and try it out for yourself... that's the only way to tell.

The only caveat I have with active monitors is you'll need the ability to turn them on/off easily or else it will get annoying fast. If they have auto on/off based on incoming signal, you're fine. If not, you'll have to devise a way to turn them off with your processor/receiver.

Also identical LCR is the best way to go, behind a perforated screen. Best choice I made for my HT.
post #87 of 110
Cool, thanks! I already tried them up, played some bluerays and they sound incredible good! It convinced me to buy another one and start building my HT! Even without a sub, they perform really well with low frequencies. By the way, did you go with an AT screen finally?
post #88 of 110
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yup, the AT screen is posted above on this page.
post #89 of 110
How did you wire the headphone jack from the auxiliary plate on back wall to your receiver? Does this require any switching or manual plugging-in when you want to use it at the receiver itself? My plan is to add a similar aux plate in the rear of our room so I can watch movies late night without waking the family.

Thanks
post #90 of 110
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It's a manual plugging in thing. Plug in headphones to wall jack. Plug in other side to the receiver's headphone out. A better way to do this is to do a wireless headphone setup. Use receiver L/R outputs to the headphone receiver. All you have to do is turn on headphones and you're good to go.
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