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post #61 of 128
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^^^ Point of order:

The OP was complaining about Windowboxing (aka, the Postage Stamp Effect, aka black bars on all 4 sides) not Letterboxing.

Oh. You must understand, HD- that from where I come nobody calls anything by what it is except ME!

What I call a "windshield" my acquaintances, etc call a "front window". What I call a "suitcase" others around me call a "bag" or "travel sack".

Unfortunately, because of my being condtioned to listening to things being called different names, I logically thought by "windowboxing" he meant traditional "letterboxing" as we have known it for decades.

I have to realize I'm communicating with intelligent people here, now.
post #62 of 128
This week's was my favorite episode of CJ to date. Finally starting to see some of the pieces fall into place, some clever exchanges with his "local" journalist buddy, and one of the most kick-ass, realistic, expertly choreographed hand-to-hand fight scenes this side of The Bourne Ultimatum. Awesome! The plot may be a bit complicated, but the production values are top-notch and it's an enjoyable way to spend an hour.
post #63 of 128
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I'm really glad you're enjoying it archiguy! Makes my day. I've only been dvr'ing it, haven't watched the scifi broadcast except for the first ep, but I'm finishing up my Twin Peaks marathon, so I have room for another serialized TV show, so I'll start watching CJ so you can have someone to chat about it with. We can see if just between us two we can rival the Lost thread. lol :P
post #64 of 128
Still worth catching?

Any way to catch-up without the veoh.com thing?

v/r,
C-F
post #65 of 128
Caught the latest episode. Still a bit murky, both in plot and lighting levels, but I'm hanging in there. We at least got some background on Charlie and why he's so.... tortured. This episode, titled "Diamonds", was the 7th broadcast by SciFi and there are 13 more to go. There was only one season; hope it ties everything up at the end.

There is a DVD set available, R-2 UK. Official mp3 podcast commentaries have started becoming available
- they're downloadable @ www.charliejade.net or via this iTunes link: phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=283276109

I just downloaded the podcasts; got a long drive once a week and I'll give 'em a listen - hopefully will shed some light on some of the murkier plot points.
post #66 of 128
Caught up on all the previous podcasts now as well as having seen this week's new episode, # 108, "Devotion".

So, what did we get this week? Most important development is Galt has had enough of 01 Boxer and put a hit out on him. Our favorite villain was hit in the shoulder but got to his shower and was able to shift into the Gammaverse where he's left bleeding in the surf.

Charlie was helping Karl with what seemed to be a kidnapping case, but was really a case of a young Muslim girl abandoning her strict parents and running off with a sleazy white guy who's some kind of motivational speaker/author and was once a trainer for VexCor. He appears to be from the Alphaverse as he has advanced technology. He eliminated a spy/bug that was apparently sent by Charlie while Charlie was spying on him with some other advanced device (where did Charlie get that thing here in the Betaverse?)

We also got some more background on Charlie's training when he was a mercenary with VexCor (!) some 8 years earlier. Not much on Jasmine/Paula this week, except Paula is hot for Charlie, who's holding back. There was also a subplot with Reena and her new friend who helped her escape from the terrorist cell last week. New friend is dying from AIDS (unknown to Reena and the Gammaverse, apparently) and Reena helps with the euthanasia.

Don't know when the new crop of writers came in and took over for the last part of the season but Bob Wertheimer is still doing the podcast this week, I noticed on the charliejade.net web site.

I do love the haunting, almost hypnotic opening theme/sequence of this show. Also love this rare look at South Africa, a place most Americans know very little about.
post #67 of 128
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I need to check out these podcasts. Are they something that's made to listen to while you watch the eps?

Anyways, 01 becomes a very interesting character from this point on. As much, if not more than Charlie, I dream about a 2nd season because of the insight it could provide to 01's true nature. (He's such a complex character, especially for TV!) And Reena's role is getting ready to expand as well. She's about to go all "Alias" on ya.

And also, this has to be the smoothest transition of writing teams in TV history. There was some article somewhere that pointed out that the blue stones that are brought up in the opening eps aren't mentioned again, but other than that, you really can't tell that the creative direction has changed at all. It's not like with the first season of Heroes, where the show goes from Fun to Dumb in 2.3 seconds.
post #68 of 128
Yes, the podcasts are epi-centric and follow the action on the screen, a la Ron Moore's BSG podcasts. But no matter; I listen to 'em on the road and it's fine. I can remember most of the visuals because the photography on this show is so striking, imaginative, and memorable. It really is well crafted, top to bottom. Anyway, the podcasts give additional insight into the making of the show, which is pretty fascinating in itself. Clearly, it's Bob Wertheimer's Great Opus, or so he thinks. That's okay. Most of us go though life never sniffing an opus.
post #69 of 128
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I wouldn't mind having CJ as my life's work, if I was a TV guy. And it's good to know that he's so passionate about it. Gives some glimmer of hope that there might be new CJ in the future...
post #70 of 128
Well, looks like our 'Charlie Jade' comments were flushed along with all the others in AVS's Great Purge. Some good stuff there; hope our Fearless Leader Capek can re-fill some of the blanks. Anyway, the new writing team (post episode 9) is in place now and the story seems to be picking up. We've got two new female characters introduced: Charlie's long lost friend from his childhood in the streets, Gemma, and a new female detective in Betaverse, Blues Paddock, perhaps a dimensional companion to Alphaverse's Sew Sew Tukarrs, who had a welcome reappearance in the show. Love his character. Still don't know what "his intentions" are with Jasmine, but it's great that he finally seems to be on the trail of Vexcor. Great scene with him and Essa Romkin in her office as he brings up the issue of 85 missing Vexcor employees and their families. I'm loving it!

Glad to see that Charlie has reunited with Karl, and soothed his guilty conscious. I was afraid we'd seen the last of our intrepid journalist. And 01 Boxer is rapidly becoming my favorite character on TV. It's pretty clear now that water is moving from 'verse to 'verse without the aid of Vexcor's links.... but how? Can't wait for next week's exciting installment of my favorite summer show!!
post #71 of 128
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Ya, it was too bad about the forum crash. I don't think anything I had said that was lost was too integral though. I mentioned that episode 9, Betrayal, was the first ep with the new writers. The only way that you could really tell, imo, was the rather rapid ramp up in the character development of 01. But the development of 01, along with two other integral characters, which will be beginning soon, carries the show through to the final episode, which culminates what in my opinion is the most ambitious climax in TV history. It's the kind of climax that will not only make you want to watch the last four or so episodes again, but it has the quality of some of the great post-modern style movies (Memento immediately comes to mind), where the ending casts the whole series in a new light, and there's much to be gained from watching the season over again. Not only do you get a new perspective of the story, but the visual and editing style take on a whole new light as well, which I think is the most unique aspect of this show, taken as a whole. It's very meta-, very postmodern, and I personally love it.

But we're getting ahead of ourselves. We're only halfway through, and there's still plenty of ground to cover before we get to the end. Just keep that mind open, and make sure the DVR is set to "Keep Until I Delete", and you'll be well prepared for a hell of a ride!
post #72 of 128
Another great episode of 'Charlie Jade' this week - "Thicker than Water". Charlie reunites with long-lost pal Gemma from their childhood as C-3's on the mean streets of Alphverse. But she's become a company gal - lying on her resume and becoming one of the Vexcor employees on the ground in Betaverse. Charlie intentionally lies to her about who he is and why he's there, not willing to trust her after 20 years. By the end of the ep, she's discovered the truth about Vexcor, Galt, and The Plan. Her last act is to atone for leaving Charlie behind when they were kids by saving him from a nasty demise at the hands of Ren Porter, an act which will probably result in her own death. Whether she was lying to Karl at the end about knowing Charlie was lying about being a Vexcor man is a debatable point. Perhaps she was just rationalizing her own gullibility by trusting the company that allowed her to escape the dreary life of a C-3 in Alpha. In Alphaverse, company is family. That's even more true for Gemma. I'm definitely going to miss her if that's the last we see of her; she's certainly easy on the eyes, as are most of the gals in CJ.

Speaking of the The Plan, we finally get it fleshed out for us when Charlie is able to break into Galt's new boardroom and send the late Elliot Knopp's "Memo 221" to Karl and Gemma back in Karl's apartment. When the link is permanent, Betaverse will cease to exist, crushed out of existence when Alpha and Gamma collapse together. It's odd that Vexcor wouldn't take this threat seriously; surely there would be nasty repercussions in Alphaverse if the fabric of the universes was rent asunder in such a way. But then, we wouldn't have this fabulous plotline and all the conflict therein, would we?

We also get a chilling scene when Essa Romkin "persuades" (re: blackmail) a lowly Vexcor accountant who's been thru the link 13 times to sacrifice his "phasing molecules" (resulting in his death) to prolong Bryon Boxer's life until they can locate 01, who is back in Beta and back to being a horrifying sociopath from the loving family man we glimpsed during his weeklong convalescence in Gammaverse. What a fascinating character! It's also interesting to note that there are grim consequences to traveling thru the link too many times (as Bryon Boxer apparently has), including what's happened to 01's personality. Essa's reaction to her ultimatum to the accountant was interesting as well; she seemed to feel genuine remorse, as if there was actually something to the "company is family" attitude Vexcor presents to its employees. But it didn't stop her from doing what she had to do to ensure her lover's survival.

Very interesting scene when Charlie, having broken into Vexcor, ducks into a bathroom to avoid Porter and has another vision of Jasmine back in Alpha, returning to her former life as a consort. She seems to see and communicate with him! How can this be? Or, did Charlie just imagine it during his "blackout"...?

I like the subtle change in style with the new writing team. Things are a lot less "murky", we're getting some needed backstory, and even the dialog seems to be sharpened up.
post #73 of 128
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I always look forward to your weekly wrap ups archiguy. Can't wait to see what you have to say about this weeks episode.
post #74 of 128
Has anyone noticed that there seems to be crushed blacks on the SciFi-HD feed? This week's episode seemed much darker than usual ... it's also the first week I've been able to watch it from the HD feed.
post #75 of 128
The first thing I noticed about this week's 12th episode of Charlie Jade - "Choosing Sides" - is that SciFi Channel apparently chopped off the opening tease segment along with the theme/intro piece (which I really, really enjoy). Instead, the telecast opened with the first act/opening credits scene where Blues Paddock investigates the crime scene where Gemma has just been murdered, along with another VexCor executive and some other guy, the latter two apparently by Charlie. This kind of screws up the whole episode; amazing the treatment this show is getting by Skiffy.

Listened to the podcast, this one by the head of the new writing team, Alex Epstein. Alex is much better at it than Sean Carley who did last weeks podcast for "Thicker Than Water" - very poorly I might add. Anyway, Alex refers to this episode as being titled "Charades", which must have been changed prior to air back in '05. He also says that the dead girl is not really Gemma, but a lookalike. A pretty good lookalike, I might add, since when Blues turns the dead girl over, it sure does look like Gemma (definitely same actress). Maybe this was clarified in the opening segment SciFi cut out...?

Interesting episode that served mainly as exposition - something the new writing team felt had been neglected over the first 10 eps - and as a device to finally get Charlie and 01 together, as well as introduce Blues as a regular cast member. Reena had a bizarre dream sequence that is showing her split personality. There was a comment by her dream character, a guy that may have been killed by Reena in her past in a particularly gruesome way, that may foreshadow something: he said the universe is destroyed every day. Maybe a nod to Steven King's "The Langoliers"...?

No Saw Saw or Essa Romkin or Bryon Boxer this ep., although we did get a brief scene from Alphaverse with Jasmine getting dressed in what looks like a dominatrix outfit! Alex mentioned in the podcast that next week's ep is a "bottle episode" designed to lower production costs that shows us just what went on in that warehouse between Charlie and 01, including, I presume, the "12 reasons why Charlie shouldn't kill him". Can't wait! Hopefully, SciFi will see fit to give us the whole episode next week.
post #76 of 128
Ok ... so is it just me, or did 01 doctor the video of Essa ordering a "hit."

This week's "reboot" episode is a wee bit confusing.
post #77 of 128
I've just caught up with the latest episode shown on Sci-Fi, and thought I'd join the thread... HDTVChallenged, was there anything in particular that made you think the video was doctored? Just wondering if there was some clue I missed. Actually, the whole explanation of what happened to the girl didn't seem to fit quite right, but I'm wondering if that's because the writers may have originally intended for 01 to have killed her, and this was a "retcon" to make it so he didn't?
post #78 of 128
I don't think 01 would have doctored the video. He wouldn't really have had either motive or opportunity since he didn't know he would be captured and grilled by Charlie. That scene was there to show us - and Charlie - that 01 is more than he seems. I was hoping he'd tell Charlie about his family in Gammaverse, but he's keeping that chip in his pocket for now.

So, what were his 12 reasons that Charlie wouldn't kill him?
post #79 of 128
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This week's "reboot" episode is a wee bit confusing.

Actually, I think was intended to provide more exposition. The new writing team probably felt the storyline was too opaque and needed to be fleshed out a bit more so the audience could have an easier time following the plot. And they needed a "bottle" episode at this point in the production to get their budget back on track. I haven't listened to this week's podcast yet (like to post my thoughts before hearing theirs, plus it gives me a chance to watch the ep again), but I'll bet that's what they say about it.

The most interesting thing about this week's ep, to me, was Ren saying the bomb that Reena found, diffused, and left there had components not found in any of the three universes. And there are those mysterious Men In The Gray Suits. Methinks another universe must be in play! If so, can 01 go there; does he even know? Oh man, can this show get any cooler?
post #80 of 128
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I've just caught up with the latest episode shown on Sci-Fi, and thought I'd join the thread... HDTVChallenged, was there anything in particular that made you think the video was doctored?

I seem to remember those clips being used (differently) before ... but I could be wrong. We'd probably have to go all the way back to the first episode to check.
post #81 of 128
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Actually, the re-cap episode was commissioned after the show had already finished shooting by the Canadian broadcast network CJ originally aired on, to get their viewers up to speed and make sure they were all on the same page.
post #82 of 128
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Actually, the re-cap episode was commissioned after the show had already finished shooting by the Canadian broadcast network CJ originally aired on, to get their viewers up to speed and make sure they were all on the same page.

Was this one ("Through a Mirror Darkly") the re-cap episode? It seemed to be more than that.
post #83 of 128
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No, my bad, I got confused as to what y'all were talking about. There are still a few episodes to go before the re-cap ep, "Can of Worms". It looks like it comes between eps 16 and 17.
post #84 of 128
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Actually, the whole explanation of what happened to the girl didn't seem to fit quite right, but I'm wondering if that's because the writers may have originally intended for 01 to have killed her, and this was a "retcon" to make it so he didn't?

I just finished listening to the podcast and you're right about that Brainiac. This episode's podcast was done by Denis McGrath, one of the three new writers they brought from Canada to Capetown on short notice to get the show back on track. Each of them has done one of the last 3 podcasts; that's where they came in. Anyway, they felt the could use the unfinished backstory of Katie Grayle to further demonstrate 01's commitment to sabotage Vexcor as well as get Charlie moving in his transition from anti-hero to hero. They'd already established that Essa has no particular adversion to killing her own employees to "protect the integrity of the company", so that new scene was perfectly in character. This episode, I gather, sets the pieces in motion for the stretch drive. Denis says the best stuff is yet to come since they finally had a clear vision of where they wanted to take the story.

Also, one thing he said was not made clear by the final edit (he had not seen the episode in 3 years, and it's been 4 since he wrote it) is that Reena knows so much about the bomb because she herself put it there earlier. She's got some kind of hidden programming of which she is unaware.
post #85 of 128
Ok folks I swear I've never seen this series before ... but this is getting freaky.

First the guess that jumping between 'verses has a part in causing 01's personality "defects" ... now the guess that the video that 01 showed Charlie might have been faked or doctored ... Good grief ... I'm never right about these things.
post #86 of 128
01 Boxer is one of the great characters on TV. Been watching the SciFi run from the beginning, and I'm really enjoying it.

Catching up on posts - A fake Gemma, huh. Good.
post #87 of 128
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01 Boxer is one of the great characters on TV. Been watching the SciFi run from the beginning, and I'm really enjoying it.

Catching up on posts - A fake Gemma, huh. Good.

I don't think she was a fake. Same actress, and I got no hint from the dialog between Blues and her partner that it wasn't Gemma. Don't know where that's coming from...

Loved this week's episode; they're really hitting their stride now. Great action scenes with Reena. Too bad about Ren Porter, huh?

And it looks like 01 is trapped in Beta along with Charlie now. This should be interesting.
post #88 of 128
Yes, and if I understood the collapsing universe theory, the one universe they do NOT want to be trapped in.
post #89 of 128
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And it looks like 01 is trapped in Beta along with Charlie now. This should be interesting.

Let me guess ... the longer the link stays down, the more stable the "membrane" between 'verses, the harder it is for 01 to travel ... writes itself
post #90 of 128
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I don't think she was a fake. Same actress, and I got no hint from the dialog between Blues and her partner that it wasn't Gemma. Don't know where that's coming from...

I know what y'all are talking about though. I had that same kinda double take reaction when I saw her, where I wondered if that was her or not for some reason. But I think it's just the camera angle or something, because that is her - there's no intrigue there.
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