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post #241 of 3520
but if people aren't getting sparkle then maybe it was a bad batch which im hoping.
post #242 of 3520
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ra004e View Post

Hey I don't think it's fair you guys are taking this attitude, if there are truly issues with something, this is where people come to discuss these issues with who have similar sets. I'm glad that you don't have issues with your set and are happy with, it so enjoy it even if it does have sparkles. Seriously people have a right to voice their issues, I personally have seen the sparkles on the Z series at Sony Style and I didn't have to have my nose right in the screen, they were very noticeable to me and that would bother me if I owned the set, further more I would like to know if it was a few sets, a bad batch, or a design flaw inherent with the set. Look I'm not ragging, but please be cool, don't take it personal and just let people know your experience, again the Zs an awesome set and I'm glad you don't have any issues , a lot of people want to know what people are experiencing one they get these sets home, that's what we're here for, can't get that at the store.

What part of my post sounded like I was upset that you were posting questions about the Z series?
post #243 of 3520
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Originally Posted by TodboT View Post

The easiest way for me to reproduce this was to use the PS3 and scroll horizontally through the XMB one icon at a time.

any other Z owners doing this for testing?
post #244 of 3520
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Originally Posted by davez82 View Post

but if people aren't getting sparkle then maybe it was a bad batch which im hoping.

What? Both of those videos are from a W4100.

btw, I notice you edited your post to not include the videos.
post #245 of 3520
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by davez82 View Post

but if people aren't getting sparkle then maybe it was a bad batch which im hoping.

Still waiting to see proof of this on the Z series.... Thanks for posting the videos so I could finally see what others are talking about.
post #246 of 3520
Guys, those of you who are getting this 'sparkle' problem, just post some pics of it already. This is not a difficult request.
post #247 of 3520
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Originally Posted by preach View Post

What? Both of those videos are from a W4100.

btw, I notice you edited your post to not include the videos.

yes and it was for the exact reason you stated lol my bad
post #248 of 3520
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by davez82 View Post

any other Z owners doing this for testing?

Yes I have done this and have not seen this issue...
post #249 of 3520
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Originally Posted by preach View Post

Guys, those of you who are getting this 'sparkle' problem, just post some pics of it already. This is not a difficult request.

these are the videos for the W4100 sparkles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9avD7fUScSg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOSSVZH9Y7w
post #250 of 3520
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Originally Posted by davez82 View Post

yes and it was for the exact reason you stated lol my bad

No problem...I'm happy to look at this problem if it's from a genuine Z tv, pics or video is fine.

btw Dave I understand you're posting the videos from the W series to give everyone an idea of what the problem is, but you'll pardon me if I'm a stickler for issues like this. I want to see pics or videos from an actual Z model.
post #251 of 3520
I will use my camera to see if this occurs, I'll let you guys know. After seeing those videos I'm pretty sure it doesn't....
post #252 of 3520
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Originally Posted by davez82 View Post

these are the videos for the W4100 sparkles.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9avD7fUScSg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOSSVZH9Y7w

Hey I know you want to see videos from us, but these are exactly what I saw at the Sony Style store in Atlanta, I went to check out the Z , there were more than these videos showed on the 46, very few on the 40 and obviously none on the xbr4 they had playing same content. Just letting you know what I saw, have not bought a Z yet as still whether to hold out for the xbr7 to see if the processor is better.
post #253 of 3520
From the videos posted, looks like dropped bits.... JMO
post #254 of 3520
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Originally Posted by ra004e View Post

Hey I know you want to see videos from us, but these are exactly what I saw at the Sony Style store in Atlanta, I went to check out the Z , there were more than these videos showed on the 46, very few on the 40 and obviously none on the xbr4 they had playing same content. Just letting you know what I saw, have not bought a Z yet as still whether to hold out for the xbr7 to see if the processor is better.

so are you saying you saw sparkle on the Z40 inch, but the Z46inch had more sparkle?
post #255 of 3520
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Originally Posted by davez82 View Post

so are you saying you saw sparkle on the Z40 inch, but the Z46inch had more sparkle?

That's what I saw in the 20-30 I was there checking the sets out. Saw a few here and there on the 40", but the 46" was pretty consistent. Actually I noticed them on the 46" first as there where very apparent to me, had to look very close at the 40" to catch them.
post #256 of 3520
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Originally Posted by preach View Post

Don't get me wrong, if I drop a lot of money on something like this I damn well want my money's worth but this sort of problem reporting with the "sparkle" is getting really blown out of proportion.

It won't be the first time it's happened

Brandon
post #257 of 3520
I agree, those sparkle issues looks like a source issue rather than a panel issue.
post #258 of 3520
Everyone here saying that the sparkles is a source issue are smoking the Sony-brand-bias pipe. Just go over to your big box retailer and you'll see the SAME sparkles in the SAME location that everyone who has seen them before is posting about. It's no big secret.... all the sets... 32/37XBR6,V,W (haven't seen a Z in person yet) ALL SPARKLE! It's not the source, it's the set! I had 5 different sets here.. 32XBR6, 40W4100, and *3* 40V4100s and they all did the same thing in the exact same location.... JUST LIKE THE SETS AT THE STORE.
post #259 of 3520
My responses in RED.

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Originally Posted by preach View Post

Have you considered the possibility that it isn't a problem inherent to Sony's manufacturing process?

First, we have no pictures displaying the problem.

We have NO PICTURES, because its a motion-based issue.... therefore we have a VIDEO. Please see the other thread.

Second, one member admitted that it was only after staring at black on the screen for a long period of time up very close that he noticed some small amounts of it.

And then there is the other members who clearly see it all the time and have reported as such.. way to pick the "best of the worst" so to speak.

Third, has no one considered EMI as a possibility? Most members here usually have, at a minimum, some sort of stereo or surround system that includes a processor/amplifier.

I have zero audio equipment in here and all the sets I owned were connected to a APC UPS.

Fourth, improper grounding maybe?


Proper grounding is kind of hard when the power cable supplied from Sony doesn't even have a ground plug!


Fifth, voltage drop or spike on the member's circuit?

See response to point #3.

Sixth, maybe the internal speakers aren't shielded enough? Admittedly this would be a problem with Sony's manufacturing but is easily remedied.

No response needed.

Seventh, has anyone actually confirmed this "sparkle" occurs on ALL video input sources?

Yes.

Don't get me wrong, if I drop a lot of money on something like this I damn well want my money's worth but this sort of problem reporting with the "sparkle" is getting really blown out of proportion.
post #260 of 3520
bob,

The Sammy camp? Give me a break.. I own an XBR4 and I wanted another Sony as is evident by the fact that I went through so many to try and NOT have any issues. The fact is, the Sonys sparkle. If you don't notice it or don't care... thats fine... BUT IT IS THERE and depending upon the person IT IS NOTICEABLE. The reason, and the only reason, why there are no *PICTURES* of this sparkle issue is because a picture can't capture the sparkle, period. It needs to be video, of which there are two. However, don't rely on the video for proof... just go down to any store that has a 32/37XBR6, V, or W on display and you will without a doubt see the sparkle. I stand by what I said, that I have not seen a Z in person yet and can't comment as to whether or not they sparkle. So as far as this thread is concerned, the only talk about sparkles in it from now on should be as to whether individual owners of Zs or people who have seen one in person, see a sparkle on the Z. The talk shouldn't be about subjective opinion as to if the sparkle is a problem or not for each tv viewer.... that is quite irrelevant, each purchaser can make that decision on their own. However, people come to AVS to make buying decisions and they should be made aware that the TVs mentioned earlier in this post do sparkle and as of yet the reports are showing that Z's do not appear to sparkle based upon the owners who have posted thus far. That sort of news is very encouraging. I may end up with a 40Z4100 yet!

Also, bob.. you make it sound like it occurs every few minutes or something. That's so far from the truth. The sparkling occurs along the VERY SAME LINE on EVERY SET in the SAME SPOT with shocking regularity. Obviously you're not noticing the fact that it occurs quite a bit because you're just focusing your attention to one area of the screen when its occurring at another area on the line or maybe you're just sitting at a distance.. who knows. But please don't mislead people into thinking its something that just casually occurs, its most definitely not a "casual issue."
post #261 of 3520
Yeah pcmike your right, I am just not noticing them. I know they are there. I deleted my post above cause I should not comment on the Z series when I own the V.
If someone has the sparkles which is noticeable and plans on keeping there set, why not call Sony and schedule a free service call.
post #262 of 3520
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Originally Posted by bobski510 View Post

...because I am sure they will think I am some kind of jack @$$ when I tell them they have to stare at a ps3 menu screen for several minutes just to see one or two pixels flash for a split second. Then tell them If you blink you will miss it.

I think this says it all. Thank you sir.
post #263 of 3520
I think that the sparkles may have been put there by the movie industry or the screen actors guild in order to give people a reason to actually watch the end credits of movies. In all seriousness though, my Z will be delivered in a few hours and if I see any sparkles I'm just going to pretend that they are magical pixies who live inside my tv.
post #264 of 3520
Well the 4th of July is coming soon and on that day all new sony owners can turn on their sets at the same time and save on fireworks. I just dont get it. How do you get rid of key problems and then have brand new ones. Nthstar
post #265 of 3520
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Originally Posted by pcmike View Post

Everyone here saying that the sparkles is a source issue are smoking the Sony-brand-bias pipe.

lol...oh the irony. The kettle always gets the short end of the stick

Brandon
post #266 of 3520
has anyone heard anything from Sony or what on the sparkle thing
post #267 of 3520
Haha, nice post. Got me laughing 10mins after getting out of bed.

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Originally Posted by Nthstar View Post

Well the 4th of July is coming soon and on that day all new sony owners can turn on their sets at the same time and save on fireworks. I just dont get it. How do you get rid of key problems and then have brand new ones. Nthstar
post #268 of 3520
if anyone manages to get their sparkle fixed please post, thanks.
post #269 of 3520
I'm pretty much committed to getting a 40Z4100. The set seems to be everything that I want. Could one of the Z owners please comment on the set's PQ on SD broadcasts? We still watch some SD channels and tend to view them in native 4:3 rather than distort more with stretch but I'm interested in the PQ in both modes. I'm assuming that HD broadcasts, DVDs and Blu-ray DVDs look great. I have a choice of getting the set shipped from Sonystyle or Amazon. I live in the SF Bay area so I'm guessing that Sony would deliver earlier than Amazon and, unfortunately, it's list price city for both. Any thoughts on the two vendors would be appreciated.
post #270 of 3520
This lcd has no +1 (0% overscan) on 720p sources

what content exactly does this affect? Will it affect 720p ps3 games?
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