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This "Smart Digital Converter Box" 22729 from Target gets my top vote compared to the Venturer STB7766G (also from Target) and the Insignia NS-DXA1 (from BestBuy). I swaped these three units in and out of the same setup. I'm at a considerable distance, with hills in between, from the PBS station I wanted to receive. That station puts out three signals (channels 30-1, 30-2 and 30-3). The Venturer only got 30-1. The Insignia 30-1 and 30-2. The GE got all three channels. Also, the Insignia required that I increase the TV volume way beyond normal to get the same volume I normally listen at. There is one down side to the GE unit -- when stations are added via use of the auto scan feature it is not possible to remove any of them from the setup after the auto scan is done. In my situation the GE found two radio stations and added them to my setup (channels 30-4 and 30-5). It is possible to manually add stations to the setup, but only the primary station (in this instance 30-1). Sub-channels, e.g. 30-2 etc can not be added manually. (I am not using a GE "Smart Antenna" with this converter box.)

Additional Notes: Each of the three above units have different standards for signal strength -- which means you can not compare signal strength as displayed by one unit to the indicated strength from another unit. For example, at about 60% signal strength per the display of the Insignia unit I got not only picture pixelization but also audio drop out. When I swapped in the GE, picture and sound were just fine even though the GE said I only a signal strength of 40%. For best results avoid extra connectors. Even using the GE, when I added just 3 feet of coax on the input line to the box, via use of a coupling, the signal strength was cut in half. I've experienced this before -- it's the extra coupler, not the additional 3 feet of wire (in my situation I have 100 feet of wire between my antenna and the box -- going from 100 to 103 feet of wire would not cut the signal strength in half).
post #2 of 9
Sounds to me like that station is doing something seriously flaky with its subchannels. I wouldn't judge the CECB's by that.
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Originally Posted by rdavidd View Post

This "Smart Digital Converter Box" 22729 from Target gets my top vote compared to the Venturer STB7766G (also from Target) and the Insignia NS-DXA1 (from BestBuy). I swaped these three units in and out of the same setup. I'm at a considerable distance, with hills in between, from the PBS station I wanted to receive. That station puts out three signals (channels 30-1, 30-2 and 30-3). The Venturer only got 30-1. The Insignia 30-1 and 30-2. The GE got all three channels.

rdavidd, my very limited experience with CECB's (just 2, the 22729 and Magnavox/Philco/etc. TB100MG9) suggests that the G.E.'s tuner has very good sensitivity. In my area, it picks-up two primary stations and two secondary stations that the Magnavox doesn't, one of them being the Philadelphia PBS affiliate WHYY. I've re-scanned several times with the Magnavox (at various times over several days), but it still can't find WHYY. My chief complaint with the G.E. is the PQ isn't as good. That doesn't mean it's poor, just not "as good". Do you know if the Venturer and Insignia use the same tuner, and do you plan to try any other CECB's?
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I assume the 22729 is the GE box (you didn't state that in the first sentence). You might want to rethink that as the best box. Tune to CBS and look at the stairstepping in the CBS eye logo. The GE was reviewed at being horrible at reproducing the video without huge stair stepping problems. See the comparison page here:
http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_b/DTVconverters.html


Also you are correct.. I believe that anytime you add in a splitter, you lose 3db which is about 50% signal strength. Anytime you add in a F-F connector you lose 1db plus any additional loss the shorter patch cable might add (e.g. if it's RG59 single shield vs. RG 6 quad shield for your initial run).
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The GE box got horrible reviews at CNet. Target in Northwest Austin/Cedar Park wanted $70 for it. I had to laugh. The Venturer was $50. The Venturer looked tiny. I didn't realize it was the same as the Zenith/LG/Insignia.
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The Venturer was $50. The Venturer looked tiny. I didn't realize it was the same as the Zenith/LG/Insignia.

It uses the same chipset, but lacks the full EPG that the LG made CECB's have. It also has a different remote.
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lacks the full EPG that the LG made CECB's have

It was my understanding that the LG/Zenith/Insignias did not have a full EPG just a Now/Next EPG. You seem to be implying they do have one. Would you please elaborate.

dmatch
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It was my understanding that the LG/Zenith/Insignias did not have a full EPG just a Now/Next EPG. You seem to be implying they do have one. Would you please elaborate.

All they show is Now/Next, but they show it for all channels the box has been tuned to recently enough to have the information for that channel, not just for the current channel, so you can see what else there is to watch, or what else there is about to be to watch, without leaving the channel that you're watching now.
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I have purchased several different brands of Converter Boxes from Best Buy (Insignia), Circuit City (Zenith), Radio Shack (Digital Stream), and Target (Venturer). And here's what I found using each box:

For comparison, I believe all of these boxes use similar parts from LG, but the tuners may differ slightly.

The best boxes overall is the Zenith and Insignia - they have the best sensitivity, and you can add channels, too, even though they have only a Now/Next program guide.

The Digital Stream is nearly as powerful for sensitivity as Zenith/Insignia, and has a 12 hour program guide.

The Venturer has the weakest sensitivity of the group (but still not that bad), only a program guide for the current program. The screen menus are quite similar to the Zenith/Insignia.
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