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who likes their plasma at eye level?

post #1 of 38
6/7/08 at 9:14am
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i want to hang a plasma on the wall. its going to be a 60inch and i will be 12 feet away. since i am so close i am going to have to build my component cabnet really short so my center speaker doesnt block the tv. would most people want their eyes half way up the screen? or would most people like thier eyes 1/3 up the screen?
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post #2 of 38
6/7/08 at 9:27am
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Originally Posted by gregdpw View Post

i want to hang a plasma on the wall. its going to be a 60inch and i will be 12 feet away. since i am so close i am going to have to build my component cabnet really short so my center speaker doesnt block the tv. would most people want their eyes half way up the screen? or would most people like thier eyes 1/3 up the screen?

I have a similar set up - and ended up hanging my 50" plasma so that the bottom of the plasma is at eye height when sitting on the couch on the other side of the room.

Here's a pic:
http://erikt.cts.com/Pictures/hometh...-theater-2.JPG

Works well for my setup.

Cheers,
Erik
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post #3 of 38
6/7/08 at 9:28am
It's a matter of personal preference. Not a huge difference between the 2, IMO. One thing you can do is build your cabinet to hold your center channel speaker. That way it can be a little taller without forcing your TV higher on the wall.
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post #4 of 38
6/7/08 at 9:32am
Never been a big fan of craning my neck up into the stratosphere just to satisfy what someone else considers the right height for a plasma install. Mine hangs low
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post #5 of 38
6/7/08 at 9:36am
Eye Level would be my target.
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post #6 of 38
6/7/08 at 9:42am
I'd say eye level too, never saw the point of a TV hanging from the ceiling or mounted high on the wall
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post #7 of 38
6/7/08 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by gregdpw View Post

i want to hang a plasma on the wall. its going to be a 60inch and i will be 12 feet away. since i am so close i am going to have to build my component cabnet really short so my center speaker doesnt block the tv. would most people want their eyes half way up the screen? or would most people like thier eyes 1/3 up the screen?

Check the THX website they have a recommend height. Wife thought it was to low though.
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post #8 of 38
6/7/08 at 10:15am
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Check the THX website they have a recommend height. Wife thought it was to low though.

.. the THX site shows a crash-test dummy at the lowest level (assume ground) viewing the lower third of the screen; that's probably where i'll mount mine being I lounge abit & have to look over the toes plus the kid's visits, they tend to enjoy sitting on the floor.
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post #9 of 38
6/7/08 at 10:33am
hello,
A 50" TV is way to big for eye level (middle of TV @ eye) in our living room.
my eyes are about 1/4 from bottom of Bezel up.



Bottom of tv is 37" from floor
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post #10 of 38
6/7/08 at 10:46am
I sure don't, I feel a unit must be about 40" off the ground to the bottom of the bezel, so the unit is out of reach of little ones and screw drivers in people pockets can'tr scratch anything.
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post #11 of 38
6/7/08 at 11:10am
I prefer low. If you have a recliner(s), I like it just high enough to clear you feet in the reclined position. Otherwise I like the center of the screen level with my eyes.
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post #12 of 38
6/7/08 at 12:03pm
Depends on seating and wall mount.
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post #13 of 38
6/7/08 at 12:11pm
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i think i will end mounting it low. even though my center will be a little low too, i can always prop it up a tad bit. heres a link to my room right now:
http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php/photo/28243

basicly the cabinet i am going to build will be about as high as the middle glass shelf. and the center speaker on top of the cabinet. pretty low, but once the lights are off it wont matter.
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post #14 of 38
6/7/08 at 12:27pm
If you are picky about getting the best viewing experience, eye level at the middle point to 1/3 from the bottom of the image is best. It gives the greatest feeling of dimensionality and realism.

Think of it like a classical painting. The lines that give all the depth cues have a "vanishing point" (the line of the horizon which all the lines travel away from you toward) that are painted from the perspective of the painter/viewer standing directly in front of the painting. Of course the painting is a 2D image, but from the right perspective the vanishing points are correct for the viewer perspective and help give that illusion of depth. Look at the painting off angle and the vanishing points/depth cues are still visible, but they are no longer in the proper perspective to the viewer and the depth effect lessens.

Same with the images on any display, from my experience. You can "see" all the depth cues from most angles, but they aren't quite correct unless you are right in front of the image (as a camera-man would film it, seeing what his eye sees through the lens). I've always been amazed how if you adjust a display, or yourself, to be right in front of the display at the right height, how the dimensionality suddenly "locks in" in it's correctness and believability.

Again, that's if you are picky about these things. I am, which is why I am designing everything in my new HT room with the goal of having the screen not too high, but in the right relation to the viewer to maximize depth of image.
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post #15 of 38
6/7/08 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

I sure don't, I feel a unit must be about 40" off the ground to the bottom of the bezel, so the unit is out of reach of little ones and screw drivers in people pockets can'tr scratch anything.

Well those of us not putting up plasmas for a living seldom have screwdrivers in our pockets, at least not at home.

I have my 50 inch where eye level is at mid screen when sitting up. Unfortunately I seldom sit up in my sofa so eye level is mostly right at the bottom of the screen.

I'm worried I will find it to high when I upgrade to a 60 inch. With my custom built bench underneath I can't put it any lower.
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post #16 of 38
6/7/08 at 12:37pm
Dont forget about looking into tilt on the mounts to offset height. Master bedroom Plasma is tilted down 5 degrees to accoutn for laying down position in bed. Also on a pivot mount to account for armchair next to bed....I'll stop there.
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post #17 of 38
6/7/08 at 12:59pm
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yeah i am planning on using the peerless SF670 to mount the plasma. even though it might look low at first, but once your sitting down eye level i think it will look great!
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post #18 of 38
6/7/08 at 4:01pm
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Originally Posted by gregdpw View Post

yeah i am planning on using the peerless SF670 to mount the plasma. even though it might look low at first, but once your sitting down eye level i think it will look great!

I guess it's all what you're use to and your personal preferences. TVs mounted high on a wall look completely out of place to me. For me, low looks normal.
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post #19 of 38
6/7/08 at 6:04pm
Its NOT up to personal preference.

Video sources belong at eye level.

Do you have a personal preference to sit at the very first row of a movie theater? Do you prefer to have a crick in your neck?

Sticking a tv up over a mantle/fireplace, etc is simply not the right thing to do.
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post #20 of 38
6/7/08 at 6:43pm
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Originally Posted by kyungkim View Post

Its NOT up to personal preference.

Video sources belong at eye level.

Do you have a personal preference to sit at the very first row of a movie theater?

Actually...and obviously...the decision on where people sit in a movie theater is personal preference. Some people like it up front (I used to be one), others midway, others nearer the back. Each of which will change the viewing angle/field of view significantly.
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post #21 of 38
6/7/08 at 6:54pm
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Well those of us not putting up plasmas for a living seldom have screwdrivers in our pockets, at least not at home.

I have my 50 inch where eye level is at mid screen when sitting up. Unfortunately I seldom sit up in my sofa so eye level is mostly right at the bottom of the screen.

I'm worried I will find it to high when I upgrade to a 60 inch. With my custom built bench underneath I can't put it any lower.


yeah but lets say the handyman, plumber, electrician does. An oops sorry at that point isn't gonna do it for me...
I got little ones running around to. 40" from the ground for me.
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post #22 of 38
6/7/08 at 7:15pm
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Originally Posted by kyungkim View Post

Its NOT up to personal preference.

Video sources belong at eye level.

Do you have a personal preference to sit at the very first row of a movie theater? Do you prefer to have a crick in your neck?

Sticking a tv up over a mantle/fireplace, etc is simply not the right thing to do.


Umm....there are official 'standards' - and it is not only at eye level.

THX has standards that define vertical viewing angle and they do NOT have to be at eye level. There are other standards from Human Factors Engineering Standards (eg Mil-Std-1472C/D) and they also state that vertical viewing angles do NOT have to be necessarily have to be at "eye level".

Unless you have the "perfect" HT room, there will always be constraints that have to be accounted for acoustics and viewing.

As long as they fall within the general guidelines you should be good.

Erik
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post #23 of 38
6/7/08 at 7:46pm
obviously there is a range, that range being based on seating position and the viewers relative eye level, etc.
Mounting something outside of this is what i meant should not be up to personal preference or home decor constraints.
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post #24 of 38
6/8/08 at 2:20am
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Originally Posted by kyungkim View Post

obviously there is a range, that range being based on seating position and the viewers relative eye level, etc.
Mounting something outside of this is what i meant should not be up to personal preference or home decor constraints.


Mounting fascist!
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post #25 of 38
6/8/08 at 9:05am
For anyone who prefers to mount their plasma over the mantelpiece, I will start a fundraising effort to pay for your psychological treatment... :^)
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post #26 of 38
6/8/08 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by Tayja View Post

yeah but lets say the handyman, plumber, electrician does. An oops sorry at that point isn't gonna do it for me...
I got little ones running around to. 40" from the ground for me.

If you bought a new Lexus (many times more expensive than the vast majority of plasmas), would you jack it up like a monster truck to keep it from being accidentally scratched by handyman screwdrivers and little kids?

Sometimes you have to take calculated risks. I think the likelihood of damage due to low TV mounting is a pretty obscure.
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post #27 of 38
6/8/08 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by kyungkim View Post

obviously there is a range, that range being based on seating position and the viewers relative eye level, etc.
Mounting something outside of this is what i meant should not be up to personal preference or home decor constraints.

I agree that there are preferred mounting positions, but some people are completely content with other choices. I have a friend that mounted his plasma very high on the wall because that's how he and his wife like it. It's an unobstructed wall. He could have put it anywhere he wanted, and where he wanted it was high. I have another friend that mounted his plasma over his mantle because there wasn't anywhere else to put it. His family seems completely content with it there.

Now that would never work for me, but to each his own.
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post #28 of 38
6/8/08 at 10:09pm
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

If you are picky about getting the best viewing experience, eye level at the middle point to 1/3 from the bottom of the image is best. It gives the greatest feeling of dimensionality and realism.

Think of it like a classical painting. The lines that give all the depth cues have a "vanishing point" (the line of the horizon which all the lines travel away from you toward) that are painted from the perspective of the painter/viewer standing directly in front of the painting. Of course the painting is a 2D image, but from the right perspective the vanishing points are correct for the viewer perspective and help give that illusion of depth. Look at the painting off angle and the vanishing points/depth cues are still visible, but they are no longer in the proper perspective to the viewer and the depth effect lessens.

Same with the images on any display, from my experience. You can "see" all the depth cues from most angles, but they aren't quite correct unless you are right in front of the image (as a camera-man would film it, seeing what his eye sees through the lens). I've always been amazed how if you adjust a display, or yourself, to be right in front of the display at the right height, how the dimensionality suddenly "locks in" in it's correctness and believability.

Again, that's if you are picky about these things. I am, which is why I am designing everything in my new HT room with the goal of having the screen not too high, but in the right relation to the viewer to maximize depth of image.

Hey Rich. Good to see you on the plasma side of the forums. Do you - or anyone else - have any idea how quickly the sense of dimensionality falls off once the panel is higher. I plan on mounting my 60" panel higher than optimal because it will nearly fill the wall it's on. That means I have to mount it high enough to clear the speakers (about 42 - 43" off the floor) That would put my eye level at the very bottom of the screen. I'm a bit worried about this. The only way around it would be to put a speaker on a shelf (mounted to a beam) that will make it too high. (with something under it to tilt it down) It's a challenge.
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post #29 of 38
6/8/08 at 10:53pm
Hmm, I personally have both my panels about 6inches above eye level, I can't see it being mounted any higher, as it kind of kills my desire to watch a movie if I have to look up to view it. It does kind of come down what you can acustom yourself to. May be awkward at first, but you'll get used to it after a while like anything else.
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post #30 of 38
6/8/08 at 11:04pm
mine is 3 inches higher then eye level from the center of the screen, and tilted forward a few degrees so that the reflection of my eyes on the screen is centered.
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