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How long until sub 1k 1080p projectors?

post #1 of 19
6/8/08 at 8:27am
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Title says it all. Though Im afraid it will be several years. How long until 1080p projectors can be foundwith 24p support as well (ie: 48,120) I dislike 3:2 pulldown. All for under 1000 dollars.
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post #2 of 19
6/8/08 at 8:13pm
It's not inconceivable that it could happen this holiday season.

I remember being in the 720p market in Oct-Nov 2006 and watching the prices plummet from $1250ish to $850 for 720p as the HD70 came out followed by my Mits HD1000u. This happened within a month of the release of new models, and this fall will mark 2 years later.

1080p prices have dropped steadily since then, but it'll take new models - and competitive counter-new models to get that same kind of marketplace synergy again.

Otherwise, I'm afraid we're looking at the Fall of 2009, unless $1400 - $400 rebate (hypothetical) counts as what you're looking for, which could happen any time 6 months sooner.

My frustration is the realization of just how competition-driven this is. I can't believe that 1080p panels are that much more expensive to manufacture; someone COULD release one now and be in the black but they just don't want to.

Anyone know why DC3 DLP has been so slow to trickle down to the sub$1k sector? That's what I'm waiting for, a 1080p DC3 DLP at $1k, although I'm tempted to hop ship and go LCD for poor-man's CIH zooming.
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post #3 of 19
6/8/08 at 10:38pm
i don't think it will be too long at all. i'd say this year for sure. i just got a brand new Benq W9000 for 1700.00 on ebay (in Canada) and that was a steal for this country. I'm sure they will be sub 1000.00 soon enough in the USA...
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post #4 of 19
6/8/08 at 11:56pm
Phffft, it'll be at least 5 years away. Until then, only the 5 richest kings of Europe will have 1080p projectors. Anyway, 720p ought to be enough for anyone.

(Sorry, just wanted to be the first to lend this thread that special air of idiocy that existed in last year's "When will 1080p projectors be under 3K?" threads or the "Will there ever be 1080p projectors" threads from a couple of years prior.)
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post #5 of 19
6/9/08 at 12:48am
If it follows past history, it will be at least 2 years before 1080p PJs go below $1K (exclusive of gray market/refurbs/stolen merchandise). Then there is the current financial market, which is driving prices (in the US) up - exchange rates and transportation (read gas prices) cost effects. Plus the manufacturer's are still back-ordered.

martinschmidt57 -- - that seems to always happen at this time of year and with newer PJ designs. Three years ago, there wasn't even a 1080p at $10K+. Now we want them for $1K or under? If you can't afford a 1080p, just get a good 720p PJ - it's still HD (ABC, ESPN, & FOX are using 720p cameras for their HD shows).

It took about 4+ years for 720p PJs to go from 1st release (at $4K+) to under $1K. So what's to stop 1080p units from following the same pattern? Plus this years 1080p units have much better picture quality than last years, for about 30% less money. Until those design improvements slow down, we won't see too much price reduction.

Look how far we've come with digital PJ technology. I bought a whopping 640 x 480 (a mid-priced Sharp model ) PJ for $7K 20 years ago. Today I can buy a 1280 x 720 model for under $1K, and a number of good, new, 1920 x 1080 models for under $3K .
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post #6 of 19
6/9/08 at 6:59am
Geesh, I wa hoping for $1500 - $1800 !!!!

But <$1000 !!!!
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post #7 of 19
6/9/08 at 8:13am
Maybe not so long..

I was told of a purchased new open box HC4900 for under $1K not including tax at a brick and mortor over the weekend.....
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post #8 of 19
6/9/08 at 9:22am
It will happen within a year for sure on LCD units, but I think it will be new models butchered down in features and quality, just to get the headline - "1080p".

However that will push down prices of existing 1080p LCD models out there in the channels - and on their DLP counterparts - so there will be some nice deals to be found out there on decent 1080P models.
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post #9 of 19
6/9/08 at 10:49am
I got a HC4900 for $999 after rebate from the CompUSA that was closing down in my city.
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post #10 of 19
6/9/08 at 11:13am
I quick use of the search engine turned up this thread asking the same thing

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ighlight=1080P

Plus, other threads asking about 1080P's at $1,399 ...$1,499....etc
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post #11 of 19
6/9/08 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

If it follows past history, it will be at least 2 years before 1080p PJs go below $1K (exclusive of gray market/refurbs/stolen merchandise). Then there is the current financial market, which is driving prices (in the US) up - exchange rates and transportation (read gas prices) cost effects. Plus the manufacturer's are still back-ordered.

martinschmidt57 -- - that seems to always happen at this time of year and with newer PJ designs. Three years ago, there wasn't even a 1080p at $10K+. Now we want them for $1K or under? If you can't afford a 1080p, just get a good 720p PJ - it's still HD (ABC, ESPN, & FOX are using 720p cameras for their HD shows).

It took about 4+ years for 720p PJs to go from 1st release (at $4K+) to under $1K. So what's to stop 1080p units from following the same pattern? Plus this years 1080p units have much better picture quality than last years, for about 30% less money. Until those design improvements slow down, we won't see too much price reduction.

Look how far we've come with digital PJ technology. I bought a whopping 640 x 480 (a mid-priced Sharp model ) PJ for $7K 20 years ago. Today I can buy a 1280 x 720 model for under $1K, and a number of good, new, 1920 x 1080 models for under $3K .

The prices dropped on the 720p projectors because 1080p projectors came along. I think that was more of a factor than just four years of time. The prices of 1080p are dropping but I do not think they will drop at the same rate as the 720p projectors did. I don't see 1440p resolution Projectors on the horizon and it is going to be a long time before there is any source material for 1440p.
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post #12 of 19
6/9/08 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by rboster View Post

I quick use of the search engine turned up this thread asking the same thing

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ighlight=1080P

Plus, other threads asking about 1080P's at $1,399 ...$1,499....etc

I'm confused, are we supposed to revive dead threads instead of of creating new ones for recurring topics - I remember several years ago the AV Science guys asking us not to revive old threads. I assume this isn't about the fact that there as those here who dislike the value-for-the-money posts?
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post #13 of 19
6/9/08 at 10:12pm
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Originally Posted by jsm88 View Post

I'm confused, are we supposed to revive dead threads instead of of creating new ones for recurring topics - I remember several years ago the AV Science guys asking us not to revive old threads. I assume this isn't about the fact that there as those here who dislike the value-for-the-money posts?

I don't know the particulars. I would assume in the case you might be referring to someone reviving an over year old thread etc. In the thread that I linked, it's about 3 months old...the OP certainly wouldn't have been out of line bumping that discussion asking for any updates/or posting additional questions vs starting a new thread on the same topic all over again.
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post #14 of 19
6/9/08 at 10:25pm
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

The prices dropped on the 720p projectors because 1080p projectors came along. I think that was more of a factor than just four years of time. The prices of 1080p are dropping but I do not think they will drop at the same rate as the 720p projectors did. I don't see 1440p resolution Projectors on the horizon and it is going to be a long time before there is any source material for 1440p.

Good points there mjg. I'm not sure there will be much downward pressure in the next couple of years. I think prices will stabilize under $2K...
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post #15 of 19
6/9/08 at 10:46pm
I think Osamede hit it on the head. Within the next year, I bet 720p goes the way of EDTV, not just in projectors but for everything. 1080p "Full HD" is the spec checkbox people will be fixating on. You can see the handwriting on the wall in the flat-panel market right now.
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post #16 of 19
6/9/08 at 10:48pm
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Originally Posted by Jerry Parker View Post

Title says it all. Though Im afraid it will be several years. How long until 1080p projectors can be foundwith 24p support as well (ie: 48,120) I dislike 3:2 pulldown. All for under 1000 dollars.


It would depend on how much the dollar depreciates. It's conceivable that the Sanyo Z2000 may be available for a grand by the holidays.
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post #17 of 19
6/10/08 at 8:51am
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Originally Posted by martinschmidt57 View Post

I think Osamede hit it on the head. Within the next year, I bet 720p goes the way of EDTV, not just in projectors but for everything. 1080p "Full HD" is the spec checkbox people will be fixating on. You can see the handwriting on the wall in the flat-panel market right now.

This is why $15,000 720p DLP projectors have been selling for only 20% to 30% of their original cost.
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post #18 of 19
6/10/08 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by rboster View Post

I don't know the particulars. I would assume in the case you might be referring to someone reviving an over year old thread etc. In the thread that I linked, it's about 3 months old...the OP certainly wouldn't have been out of line bumping that discussion asking for any updates/or posting additional questions vs starting a new thread on the same topic all over again.

I would have bumped the old thread, had I found it in my search. What search terms did you use to come up with that thread?
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post #19 of 19
6/10/08 at 10:16pm
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Originally Posted by Jerry Parker View Post

I would have bumped the old thread, had I found it in my search...

For Pete's sake, everyday there are 10 new threads just like the ones from 3 DAYS ago -- I wouldn't sweat not having found the 3 MONTH old one. I think you just got caught in a "speed trap" here. Just be happy the mod wasn't having a really bad day and let you go with only a warning.
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