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post #1651 of 3229
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Originally Posted by holl_ands View Post

IDRick re EZ-HD: I'm very close to making some runs...but a few more questions:

1. Diameter of tubular elements--don't assume they're all the same.
Try to be as accurate as you can, preferably using calipers.

2. What are boom dimensions - 1.00"x1.00"???

3. How far are the elements offset vertically above or below the boom??
Measure from boom to centerline of the element.

4. What is vertical offset of the top, middle & bottom parts of the Folded Dipole???

5. On the third element from the front, are the two halves electrically interconnected
(it may be hidden)??? Are they electrically connected to boom, elements or stubs???

6. For each element insulated from the boom, what is the closest metal-to-metal
Gap between the two halves of the element???

7. What is boom overhang distance measured from the center of the longest element???

8. Did the EZ-HD come with a standard 300:75-ohm Balun or some sort of Balun Box???
Either way, can you provide a photo...preferably inside the Balun Box if you have one...
[Macro photo hint--lots of light and use normal to wide vice telephoto lens setting.]

9. Can you provide a photo or sketch of the short stubs???

1. Diameter of tubular elements: 3/8. The first and second tubular elements have a flared end (see image). Flare is 1/2" wide.

2. Boom dimensions: 1x1"

3. How far are the elements offset vertically above or below the boom??

First and second elements are 1/8 inch below top of boom
Third element is ¼ above boom
First and second tubular elements: 3/16 below boom
Third and fourth tubular elements: 3/16 above boom

4) Vertical offset of folded dipole:
top is 5/16 above boom
bottom is 5/16 below boom
middle is centered, ½ below top of boom

5) Third element, the two halves are electrically isolated from each other by the insulator. They are NOT connected to the boom, short stubs or any other elements.

6) The third and fourth tubular elements (from front) are insulated from the boom. The closest metal to metal gap between halves is 1-1/4 inches for both.

7) Not sure what you mean by boom overhang?? Is this the remaining portion of the boom (including mast mount)? The distance from center of last tubular element and the back of boom is 5 inches.

8) The balun is a standard 300:75 ohm matching transformer. Image attached.

9) Image attached
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post #1652 of 3229
Thread Starter 
Im doing the antenna tests this weekend.

Currently I have the RCA ANT751 on the roof.....after just having the AntennaCraft G1483 4 bay Gray Hoverman for a couple of days, and the Channel Master 4220 before that. I will put the Antennas Direct ClearStream1 Convertible up there next.

I also have the Lava 643 (looks like an 1880 kindof), GE Quantum, GE Optima, Artec Meritline, and some others.

Lots of pictures, descriptions, comparisons, etc coming up soon.
post #1653 of 3229
IDRick: Thanks for the measurements.

I built the All-Tubular "bare bones" model and (using "Build" utility in 4nec2 for flat portions),
transferred in the flat UHF Folded Dipole, Floater and Director sections....Stubs are next.
Angles on Folded Dipole were a little messy...and I hope Stubs help what I'm seeing so far....

For ultimate NEC model fidelity, I'm pretty sure I'll have to physically model
the Boom, Stubs and perhaps even that crossover snaking around the back.
That's gonna take longer....then I can revisit "similar" YA-1713 that was also difficult to model.
post #1654 of 3229
Thread Starter 
I think this has been posted in this thread before, but Im putting it down here for reference. Probably link it on the front page in the other info sources area.

Hat Tip holl_ands...

Quote:


holl_ands wrote:
And musn't overlook the coat hanger....it's a classic...
Kerry Cozad measured a "4-leaf-clover" antenna pattern:
https://secure.connect.pbs.org/confe...ns/TC05_43.htm
post #1655 of 3229
Thread Starter 
The AntennaCraft Gray Hoverman, Antennas Direct C1C and the RCA ANT751 are all performing admirably on the roof.

There are some distinctions to be made though. Im working on it.
post #1656 of 3229
I look forward to reading your comparisons EV!
post #1657 of 3229
Thread Starter 
Well I dont have use of the Zenith DTT901 at this moment, unfortunately.
post #1658 of 3229
For what it is worth, I own the Philips MANT510, and it performs much better than it should, given that I'm around 50 miles (60020 IL) from the antennas, in Chicago. I believe they are on top of the Sears Tower though, so that helps. People in different states, upwards of 100 or so miles away, with roof top antennas, are able to get Chicago TV.

The signal has never been very strong, not surprisingly, but the picture was always clean. Until recently...

Pixelization appears to be getting worse, the closer the actual conversion date is. I live in a condo, that does allow for the small satellite dishes, but not for attic or rooftop solutions. Can anyone recommend anything? I would like to stay indoor if possible.

Do I need an amplifier? Or anything else? I'm pretty far away...
post #1659 of 3229
i myself have a MANT510,and i have been nothing but impressed with it since i have taken out of the box a year ago.i live in southern ontario,and receive stations from western New York (Buffalo mostly).the Mant510 already has an amp built in (50db advertised).i have heard rumblings that the amp deteriorates over time,so maybe that could be the cause of your weak signal.mine is still working very well (knock on wood).
post #1660 of 3229
So how did everyone fare with the DTV switch today?? My 2 problem channels (21 & 27) in D/FW came in much stronger!!
post #1661 of 3229
So far pretty happy but I won't really know until tomorrow, since a bunch of stations won't change until tonight 11:59pm.
post #1662 of 3229
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Originally Posted by holl_ands View Post

IDRick: Thanks for the measurements.

I built the All-Tubular "bare bones" model and (using "Build" utility in 4nec2 for flat portions),
transferred in the flat UHF Folded Dipole, Floater and Director sections....Stubs are next.
Angles on Folded Dipole were a little messy...and I hope Stubs help what I'm seeing so far....

For ultimate NEC model fidelity, I'm pretty sure I'll have to physically model
the Boom, Stubs and perhaps even that crossover snaking around the back.
That's gonna take longer....then I can revisit "similar" YA-1713 that was also difficult to model.

Were you able to complete your modeling efforts Holl_ands? I'd like to see your data. Thanks.
post #1663 of 3229
Nearly there...gotta cross connect the square boom to antenna elements....
Then we can see where we are wrt to this NEC SIM stuff.....
Based on YA-1713, I still think I'm gonna have to model everything in
that snaky crossover transmission line....which will take another week....

I also got distracted with Brian Beasley's (K6STI) Hi-VHF 5-Element Yagi,
which miraculously covers the entire band with excellent F/B Ratio....
I'll post more on this after I bounce some questions off him....

PS: Wednesday we were preoccupied watching my daughter delivering our grand-daughter....
also helping were her two young sons, my son+wife, my wife, a student nurse...a few others...
post #1664 of 3229
Congrats Grandpa holl_ands!
post #1665 of 3229
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Originally Posted by bigcam406 View Post

i have heard rumblings that the amp deteriorates over time,so maybe that could be the cause of your weak signal

I will look into that, thanks.
post #1666 of 3229
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Originally Posted by bigcam406 View Post

i myself have a MANT510,and i have been nothing but impressed with it since i have taken out of the box a year ago.i live in southern ontario,and receive stations from western New York (Buffalo mostly).the Mant510 already has an amp built in (50db advertised).i have heard rumblings that the amp deteriorates over time,so maybe that could be the cause of your weak signal.mine is still working very well (knock on wood).

I tried the MANT510 and found it very unstable in stability and the VERY small UHF flat panel was tiny. The Radio Shack UFO is great and just needs to be aimed in the correct direction. I am still amazed at how the old timey outdoor antennae still work great, even hooking one up to a Home Depot low noise 15dB amplifier worked wonders for my father-in-law!
post #1667 of 3229
Regarding Official Digital Changeover, West LA, 1 day after....

Crap ! Lost Channels 7.1, 9.1, 11.1, and 13.1 with my Winegard SS3000. 1 week before the Digital changeover, and these channels came in fine, quite fine. 1st day after the changeover, did a rescan, and they were lost. (though I finally got 2.1 !) Have spent hours rescanning, moving antenna, everything I could think of. Gone ! Damn...
post #1668 of 3229
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Originally Posted by XavierL13 View Post

Regarding Official Digital Changeover, West LA, 1 day after....

Crap ! Lost Channels 7.1, 9.1, 11.1, and 13.1 with my Winegard SS3000. 1 week before the Digital changeover, and these channels came in fine, quite fine. 1st day after the changeover, did a rescan, and they were lost. (though I finally got 2.1 !) Have spent hours rescanning, moving antenna, everything I could think of. Gone ! Damn...

Same problem for me but with both rabbit ears and a DB2 bowtie antenna (indoor). I am under 20 miles from Mt. Wilson (can see the mountains).

Does anyone know what's a good indoor antenna (UHF+VHF) to get from local retail stores (e.g., Best Buy, Costco, Radio Shack, Walmart, Sears)? And no I can't put it on the roof (e.g., am disabled, not allowed). Are these still good/valid/available?

Philips PHDTV3 Indoor Amplified UHF/VHF/FM/HDTV Antenna:
http://www.amazon.com/Philips-PHDTV3.../dp/B000B58VNM

Terk Technology HDTVi VHF/UHF HDTV Indoor Antenna:
http://www.amazon.com/Terk-Technolog.../dp/B0001FV36E

Terk HDTVa Indoor Amplified High-Definition Antenna for Off-Air HDTV
Reception
http://www.amazon.com/Terk-Amplified.../dp/B0007MXZB2

http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2131034


Thanks in advance.
post #1669 of 3229
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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post

Same problem for me but with both rabbit ears and a DB2 bowtie antenna (indoor). I am under 20 miles from Mt. Wilson (can see the mountains).

Does anyone know what's a good indoor antenna (UHF+VHF) to get from local retail stores (e.g., Best Buy, Costco, Radio Shack, Walmart, Sears)? And no I can't put it on the roof (e.g., am disabled, not allowed). Are these still good/valid/available?

Philips PHDTV3 Indoor Amplified UHF/VHF/FM/HDTV Antenna:
http://www.amazon.com/Philips-PHDTV3.../dp/B000B58VNM

Terk Technology HDTVi VHF/UHF HDTV Indoor Antenna:
http://www.amazon.com/Terk-Technolog.../dp/B0001FV36E

Terk HDTVa Indoor Amplified High-Definition Antenna for Off-Air HDTV
Reception
http://www.amazon.com/Terk-Amplified.../dp/B0007MXZB2

http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2131034


Thanks in advance. [IMG]http://www.*****************/trafficreport/img/3721/k08t1221bbuq/gdsmile.gif[/IMG]

Thanks for all the link, philips antenna are really good.
post #1670 of 3229
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Originally Posted by caledonia1 View Post

Thanks for all the link, philips antenna are really good.

Yeah, but will it work well in my situation. That's the problem.
post #1671 of 3229
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

...you might as well get a UVSJ(its cheap) since you already have the Terk TV-1 Rabbit Ears for improved VHF reception.

Is it still a good idea to get this combiner for my current bowtie antenna and rabbit ears even though both can't get all stations on their UHF and VHF? For example, rabbit ears can't get KTTV 11 easily after the digital changes.
post #1672 of 3229
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Originally Posted by phildaant View Post

Yeah, but will it work well in my situation. That's the problem. [IMG]http://***************/9/P/i.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://***************/9/R/i.jpg[/IMG]

Hmm lets hope so lol.. I don't know too much about antennas
post #1673 of 3229
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Originally Posted by Doc Sief View Post

I tried the MANT510 and found it very unstable in stability and the VERY small UHF flat panel was tiny.

Looking at the base, I find it hard to believe anyone would find it unstable. Like I said, given the size of the antenna panel, I was amazed that at 50 miles from the towers, I was getting anything. Although it was always a weak signal, and I only got upwards of 6 channels.

It sounds crazy, but when I first bought the MANT510, last summer, I got around 12 channels, with a strong signal. It only got worse from there, the closer the transition date. So it might give some credence to the amp degradation rumors.

Given that it is a rumor at best, I can still recommend it for anyone looking for an easily adjustable antenna, due to the swivel. Upwards of maybe, 20-25 miles from the towers.

However, for not much more, you can get the Terk HDTVa, which I just bought yesterday, and it now gets me 35 channels. All very strong, and utterly pixelization free. This is a fantastic antenna at around $35.

It states that it is designed for upwards of 45 miles from the towers. And is designed to help eliminate multipath interference. Which is a major issue for people farther away from the towers.

It has very solid build quality all around. It has some heft. The dipoles are thick and sturdy. The power cord is thick and is hardwired into the base. However, this is a antenna that is highly unstable. The base is small, and the power cord being hardwired, is difficult to mange given its design. Its a small issue though.
post #1674 of 3229
Anyone got any experience with these no-name antennas from people on eBay? (Sorry, I can't post the direct URL link because I'm not up to 3 posts yet. Search for item number 140325253866). They look like the legendary Radioshack "Holy Grail" antennas, and have similar amplification, but I'm leery about spending $35 on an antenna that I can't return if it doesn't do what I want.

I'm trying to pick up several channels 30-35 miles to the northeast of me. All channels are to the northeast, so a directional antenna would do me good. I live in an apartment so outdoor isn't an option. With Should I try these eBay ones? Any other suggestions? I'm using a standard unpowered radioshack "budget" antenna now and my DTV box is showing a slight signal, but not strong enough...
post #1675 of 3229
EscapeVelocity, thank you for doing all this testing! Unfortunately, 1880s are selling at a premium on Ebay. I thought for sure I'd be able to score one tonight, because the seller didn't list the model number in the title. It just sold for $80.50 shipped!

I don't know what to do now. My Terk TV-5 worked well at my previous address, but the townhouse I live in now is situated in a way that 95% of the stations are located in the direction blocked by 3 other townhouses connected to mine. Downstairs is even more hopeless, so I was forced to at least temporarily pay Scamcast.

You list the UFO as the #2 model, but it doesn't rotate a full 360 degrees. The wall behind my tv is the direction the signal is coming from, so I'd have to turn the unit around, which means I couldn't use the remote. I'll do some more digging through this thread tonight, but in the mean time, do you have any recommendations for my particular situation?

By the way, there are 1880 look-alikes on Ebay. Have you thought about taking one of these for a spin?

edit...I just saw someone above me asking the same question, lol!
post #1676 of 3229
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By the way, there are 1880 look-alikes on Ebay. Have you thought about taking one of these for a spin?

edit...I just saw someone above me asking the same question, lol!

Haha, yeah... I was watching that auction for the 1880 too... I put in a bid for $28.00 earlier today and got blown out of the water.

I hope someone can provide some insight on those knock-offs. Hopefully they're just asian knock-off copies of the 1880.
post #1677 of 3229
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Originally Posted by bluescreenoftom View Post

Haha, yeah... I was watching that auction for the 1880 too... I put in a bid for $28.00 earlier today and got blown out of the water.

I hope someone can provide some insight on those knock-offs. Hopefully they're just asian knock-off copies of the 1880.

Yes, I remember your bid fondly, lol! I had planned to put in a bid for $45.01 at the end, but things got out of control in the remaining seconds, so I didn't bother.

There's another auction, and in the description, the seller mentions that these are still made by a French company, and even gives the name and model number. I searched for the name, misspellings of the name, and the model numbers, and came up with nothing. I think he made it up.

edit part 2...Take a look at page 54 (it might be a different page on your pc), but EscapeVelocity bought one of those 1880 clones. Hopefully we'll hear something soon.
post #1678 of 3229
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Unfortunately, I have 2 problems right now, several channels are acting differently post June 12, and my friend that I loaned the Zenith DTT901 to, has loaned it to someone else....no telling when Ill be getting it back.

However I can tell you this. The LAVA 643 (looks similar to the RS 1880) is a bit smaller and more cheaply made than the 1880. Its 3 ft permanently attached coax is a pain in the ass.

Performance doesnt look up to par with the 1880, but not terrible. However, I havent given it enough time and concentration to assess it well, and I dont have the meter on the Zenith DTT901 to get solid data and compare it to other antennas I have here.
post #1679 of 3229
Thanks, any info is better than none. I'm using a DTT901 as well :-D.

So in your expert opinion, EscapeVelocity, what would you recommend for me (Stations 30-35 miles in one direction, must use indoor antenna)? Should I go with the LAVA 643? Or is there something else around the same cost that you think has the potential to perform better?
post #1680 of 3229
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