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post #1711 of 3229
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Originally Posted by ranoobu View Post

I Currently have the Phillips UHF only Silver Sensor.. can't seem to find anything on what I'm looking for...

Is there anything I can add or do that will allow me to Keep using this Silver Sensor and recieve my missing VHF channels?

Can't get KTTV.. assuming because it's VHF now as everyone has been pointing out.

You can try adding a VHF dipole (just plain "rabbit ears") and using a UHF/VHF combiner to merge the two signals - see here for combiner advice.
post #1712 of 3229
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

Jpowers those VHF are going to be difficult with only amplification and vhf dipoles to work with.

You need to get a length of coax and find sweet spots. A G1483 AntennaCraft Gray Hoverman with an amplifier may work well for you....it has wide beamwidth and bandwidth and decent performance on VHF Hi....but I think an amplifier will help you as well. Perhaps mount this in a North East facing window or attic. Another alternative is the EZ HD, its both UHF and VHF with about 5db gain across the spectrum but with tighter beamwidth.

Do you have any windows or balconies that face North or North East? Rooms on that side may be better as well for indoor placement, finding sweet spots etc.

Getting about 25 to 50 ft of coax to use to locate sweet spots seems like a good investment for you.

I apologize for not seeing your post. I didn't even know you had responded to me. There is only 1 VHF channel that I care about (PBS), and even that isn't so important. I'd just like to pull in most of the stations in yellow. Do you think a Terk HDTVa, aimed North would do the trick? Thanks for your help!
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Hey I dont make the rules. I think it is 5 posts needed in order to post a link.
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Originally Posted by PHOnos View Post

Suggestions welcome including links to other posts, threads, etc.

AntennaCraft Gray Hoverman 4 bay G 1483
Philips MANT950

RS UFO
Terk HDTVa
post #1715 of 3229
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Originally Posted by JPowers View Post

I'd just like to pull in most of the stations in yellow. Do you think a Terk HDTVa, aimed North would do the trick? Thanks for your help!

What is your building made of? Brick, metal roofs or siding (including hidden alumna-tape underneath the vinyl or other siding), stucco?

The answer is maybe, cant hurt to try. That certainly is one of the better antennas. The UFO would work for you, its UHF elements rotate 360ish degrees, they just dont keep spinning in one direction forever.
post #1716 of 3229
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AVSforum poster arbie has an upgrade for VHF Hi antenna performance on 4 bay bowties....

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Try replacing the 20" wide reflector on your 4221 with a 36" wide reflector. I purchased a 25' roll of the 1x2 screen, and I've swapped out reflectors on half-a-dozen 4221's here in El Lay. The wider reflector was all that was needed to receive vhf-hi channels with a 4221, and, this afternoon, all the modified 4221 are receiving KABC-DT.

For non-4221 4-bays, where replacing the existing reflector is more than a 5 minute job, I attached horizontal 36" rods to the existing reflector using small U-bolts. It's not as elegant as replacing the reflector, but it also works.

pics on the link...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=4934
post #1717 of 3229
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

AVSforum poster arbie has an upgrade for VHF Hi antenna performance on 4 bay bowties....

Speaking of VHF-Hi, I noticed your PBS (WITV) moved back to channel 7 (from 49). Have you tested any of your "better performers" from previous tests with WITV since it moved back to VHF?
post #1718 of 3229
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Not yet, except for the recent quad on the roof with the CM 7777 amp.

CM 4220 no reception
AC G1483 Gray Hoverman, good reception, some trouble during weather, but generally watchable.
AD ClearStream1 Convertible, surprisingly some reception on 7, though not reliable, not during weather events (almost daily afternoon thunderstorms here).
RCA ANT751 best of the bunch on channel 7, but not as good on UHF, though not bad. Tighter beamwidth than any of these others as well.

In order from best to worst on channel 7

RCA ANT751 Log-Yagi VHF Hi with UHF Folded Dipole
AntennaCraft G1483 4 Bay Gray Hoverman
Antennas Direct ClearStream1 Convertible, Proprietary Loop with reflector
Channel Master 4220 2 bay Bowtie
post #1719 of 3229
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

In order from best to worst on channel 7

RCA ANT751 Log-Yagi VHF with UHF Folded Dipole
AntennaCraft G1483 4 Bay Gray Hoverman
Antennas Direct ClearStream1 Convertible, Proprietary Loop with reflector
Channel Master 2 bay Bowtie

Cool, thanks. I suspect a lot more people are going to be interested in VHF performance now, with a lot of stations moving their digital signals to the high VHF frequency their analog used to use.
post #1720 of 3229
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Here is a slew of medium range outdoor antennas that could be used in attics or indoors. Lots of pics.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1150551
post #1721 of 3229
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

Post your TVfool.com data link.


Here's my data:
TVFool data

You'll notice the slew of stations to the NE... those are the ones I want, particularly WJZ, WMAR, WBFF, and WBAL.

Any suggestions for indoor antennas?
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Here is some more info on modifying antennas (especially 4 bay bowties) to improve VHF performance.

Ideas on how to turn a UHF antenna into a UHF/VHF antenna.
post #1723 of 3229
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Bluescreenoftom, some of the better indoor antenna options should work for you in yellow. Are you in DC trying get Baltimore?

WBAL channel 11 will be your most difficult target with an indoor solution....being VHF Hi, (albeit on the high side of the VHF Hi spectrum which is usually better for smaller antennas).

RS 1892 UFO
Terk HDTVa
Philips PHDTV3
Winegard SS 3000
post #1724 of 3229
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

Bluescreenoftom, some of the better indoor antenna options should work for you in yellow. Are you in DC trying get Baltimore?

WBAL channel 11 will be your most difficult target with an indoor solution....being VHF Hi, (albeit on the high side of the VHF Hi spectrum which is usually better for smaller antennas).

RS 1892 UFO
Terk HDTVa
Philips PHDTV3
Winegard SS 3000

Wow, that was fast... thanks.

Yes, I'm from Baltimore but have recently moved to the Rockville area because it's closer to my job. I'd love to be able to pick up the Baltimore channels (primarily because of the sports) and, before the switchover, our apartment was nice enough to pipe through the analog signal for the Baltimore stations on the same line they use to provide DirecTV access. Now that the analog signals are gone, I'm stuck.

I tried the RS UFO about 9 months back (before they were giving us the Baltimore signals in Analog) and was very unimpressed. In fact, I was getting only one channel with it, where I was getting 4 channels with standard "budget" rabbit ears/uhf loop. I suspect now that something must have been wrong with the partocular unit I picked up. I returned it. I might give it another shot before trying the Terk HDTVa.

Thanks for the advice! I'll let you know how it goes.
post #1725 of 3229
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

Hey I dont make the rules. I think it is 5 posts needed in order to post a link.

OOPS, I meant AV not EV, sorry. And, thanks for the suggestions --

AntennaCraft Gray Hoverman 4 bay G 1483
Philips MANT950

RS UFO
Terk HDTVa

PHOnos
post #1726 of 3229
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

Here is some more info on modifying antennas (especially 4 bay bowties) to improve VHF performance.

Ideas on how to turn a UHF antenna into a UHF/VHF antenna.

That link didn't work....
post #1727 of 3229
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Originally Posted by holl_ands View Post

That link didn't work....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1155233
post #1728 of 3229
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

What is your building made of? Brick, metal roofs or siding (including hidden alumna-tape underneath the vinyl or other siding), stucco?

The answer is maybe, cant hurt to try. That certainly is one of the better antennas. The UFO would work for you, its UHF elements rotate 360ish degrees, they just dont keep spinning in one direction forever.

I think these were built in 1978, and I doubt there's any heavy duty construction. The siding is brand new, and I'm guessing it's vinyl. The gutters are aluminum, because I see the Alcoa symbol on it. You can see the shingles above the front door. I haven't felt them, but they just look like regular tar shingles. Here's a Google street view picture of the townhouse. The red arrow up top points to my office, and the tv is against the wall on the left. You can see the compass in the top left of the screen:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-11/1288016/home.JPG

Does the UFO provide stronger amplification than the HDTVa? I wasn't thinking properly in my earliest post where I confused 180 degrees with 360. Thanks again for the help!
post #1729 of 3229
I wouldn't bother trying to pick up stations in yellow with an indoor unit. Pretty much all of mine are yellow and I can get maybe what.......2 or 3 of them from the list. YMMV of course. Attic or roof for yellow and up..

of course if you don't want attic or roof, settle for what you get indoors
post #1730 of 3229
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All of my stations are yellow....except for the channel 16 at 23 miles and 120 degrees off axis from the Charleston tower cluster. As always, YMMV.
post #1731 of 3229
I stopped by Radioshack and picked up their last UFO antenna. I brought it home, sat it in a NE-facing window, and gave it a shot. My results were similar to last time... all my local (green) UHF stations came in ok. I couldn't get any VHF stations to come in at all, even the ones in the green, no matter what I did. This surprises me as this works fine with my "budget" antenna.

I tried pulling in a Baltimore UHF station (WBFF)... I tuned manually to channel 46 and watched the signal on my DTT901. I then tried every possible position with the UFO and wasn't able to pull in a signal greater than 1/3 of the signal bar. I then moved the antenna a bit and tried again. Still no luck.

I'll be returning the UFO today... on to the Terk HDTVa...
post #1732 of 3229
Based on my experience, the RS UFO is indeed problematic with weaker VHF stations. Positioning its rabbit ears is difficult, especially because the unit is a bit bulky. Thankfully I only have 3 VHF stations that I ever bother with, and really only one that is critical. I am usually able to get a reliable signal for all of them. But this was only after very careful positioning of the unit; I can see where for others the RS UFO would not do the job. Yet as noted, for UHF signals the RS UFO is excellent.

I agree with the comment about indoor antennas only being good for pulling in "green" stations (per TVFool). "yellow" stations are hit and miss.


_Lazza
post #1733 of 3229
took a look at the RS1892 at the local radioshack yesterday and the worker told me he sold ALL of them on june 13th. All that was left was a display model and it wasn't for sale.

the UHF part is about the size of a dinner plate and the dipoles only goes left and right, can't rotate them.
post #1734 of 3229
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Well, the yellow is pushing the indoor antenna, depending on a bunch of factors. This is the impetus for the thread. Some people cant go in teh attic or the roof.

The TVfool people made the distinction Green and Yellow from indoor to medium range for a reason. The reason for this thread is to improve the chances of beating the odds.
post #1735 of 3229
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post


The answer is maybe, cant hurt to try.


And that is the name of the game really, when it comes to indoor solutions, and even outdoor, to a lesser extent.

This whole thing is trial and error. I spent hundreds on antennas during the last year or so. In the end, the HDTVa is what worked best.
post #1736 of 3229
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Originally Posted by nicoge21 View Post

If you have line of sight problems you have to keep the antenna tilted so it's aimed over the object that's in the way.

Maybe after I'm here for a while, I can mount a small antenna on the wooden fence that divides the porches. It would have to be aimed pretty high, though! When I say there's a hill behind the house, I'm not talking in the distance. It's right there.

I'm not having too many problems upstairs. It all depends on the weather. Hot and dry seems worse than a thunderstorm, which causes things to break up. This evening, I'm pulling in 5 yellow stations, and the other day I was able to get a pink station that's 42.6 miles away from me with my Terk TV-5. This antenna has been great for me at my 2 previous addresses, but I'd like to try something more directional.
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I was hoping someone could recommend me an antenna. My wife and I just bought a house that is 100% concrete (Inside and Outside walls). We have not moved in yet (renovations will continue for a few more weeks) so I have not been able to try the reception. We life right outside Orlando, FL but do not want to spend the $50 a month for Cable TV, just internet for now. In the back of the house, there is a 10-12' pole with a outdoor light on it. I was thinking about putting a small antenna on it towards the top and running the cable along the outside of the house. The poll is in the southeast side of the house, which is pointing towards all the stations. The only problem however is that there is a big two story house which it will not clear. The pole is taller than our roof though. Also, the antenna would have to be pretty minimal looking or my wife would not be too pleased. Any suggestions?

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...663d6fcf3117b6
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Pics of RCA ANT751







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Antennas Direct ClearStream1 Convertible

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AntennaCraft G1483 "4 Bay" Gray Hoverman

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