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Higher is better....is a generalization, truism with antennas....its concerned with getting a clean unobstructed signal above the radio horizon Line of Sight, and other things like that.

More directional and tighter beamwidth is better for multipath rejection at the antenna level, before it gets to your tuners.

The trouble with VHF is that highly directional and high gain VHF antenna designs are very big and thus not suited to indoors or patios, but can manage in larger attics and of course on rooftops.

A good VHF Hi antenna to try is the VHF Hi 5 element yagi that Hollands referenced and I posted a few pages back. Its not too big (35inches or so) and thus is a possible savior for indoor antenna solutions, for people having trouble with multipath, weak VHF signals or some combination.
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Holl_ands and IDRick.

I checked measurements on the RCA ANT751 against IDRicks measurements of the EZ HD, they are exactly the same.
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Alright! I thought the two antennas were the same (EZ HD and RCA ANT751).
post #1805 of 3314
I decided to join here because of all the good info I found here. I'm an old AV/car audio/12volt guy that quit the business 15 years ago.

Great work on testing all those antennas EscapeVelocity!

I found this place because I am trying to find the best DTV antenna myself.

I found this Chinese antenna co. that makes many of those Ebay antennas.

It actually looks like they may know what they are doing, though I always prefer American made products (had to find now sadly).

Walito is the co., I can't post links yet.

I would love to see some tests and thoughts on some of their designs.
post #1806 of 3314
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Rob, a lot of those Chinese companies are retail fronts. Fronts isnt really the right word, the Chinese manufacturing sector is weird.
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Hard to find now my post should say, and that really is sad. Though I posted the info for the Chinese co., I will always buy American if I still can.
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Wow..quick reply. I know what you are saying. I didn't really look into them, but maybe I will (I'm good at that).

I would still be interested if they are the usual Chinese junk or the rare decent product though.
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Yeah Channel Master shut down its US antenna manufacturing operation last year.

There are a few US choices though.

The RCA ANT751 and the EZ HD (probably made by Winegard),

Winegard 4400

and a little upstart Godar which makes AM and FM and TV antennas, of which I can highly recommend the Godar Model 1, low profile UHF log periodic design combined with VHF rabbit ear telescoping adjustable dipoles.
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I'm almost ready to go buy the ANT751 at my closest Walmart that still has one because I really like buying in person instead of online. I probably will. I WILL be happier with an American made antenna I know for sure (even if it is only in my mind).

This makes me think this Co. may be legit though, based on limited research.

http://walito.en.alibaba.com/column/...tificates.html
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Im not saying its a bogus company, its complicated.


Anyways, the RCA ANT751 is well made and a pretty good antenna. Post your TVfool, and I can give you recs and let you know if the RCA ANT751 is satisfactory for your needs.
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

Yeah Channel Master shut down its US antenna manufacturing operation last year.

No wonder why the Channel Master 4149 twin bowtie antenna is no longer available...
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That one was actually made in China. Summit Source had the last of the remaining old stock discontinued. Ill have to update the front page.
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I know. I,m just saying they have some interesting (and strange) antennas.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...618adadf5d83b8

Do you think the musical notes coming from the speaker? will help my reception (lol)?

http://www.walito.com/products-big.asp?id=327

All joking aside, I would appreciate your expertise on my antenna needs because I am in a bad signal area (river valley).

Thanks.
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Can you put an antenna in the attic or on the roof or outdoors? or are you limited to balconies or indoors?
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China has micro manufacturers that produce antennas and they are affiliated with several distribution conglomerates and most often these antennas are offered through several of these conglomerates, the exact same antennas. You can get a middle man and directly buy from the micro manufacturers yourself.

As I said its complicated.
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It's the same with almost all Chinese products, I know. It started when I was still in the business.

Back to my antenna....it is on an RV that will mostly be parked. I have a Wineguard 2000 "disc" antenna that I have hated for years. The more compact the better I think for my needs. I was thinking a clear stream 2 so far, or the AN751.
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Does the Winegard 2000 work well for you?

Those are 2 good compact antennas, however the C2 wont get you the VHF in yellow even amped reliably. The C2 is much better on UHF than the RCA ANT751, however the RCA ANT751 is much better o VHF Hi.

The RCA ANT751 may be enough combined with an amplifier though, like the CM 7777 or a Motorola BDA....both nice low noise amps.

The Channel Master 2016 is also worth consideration. Not quite as good on UHF as the C2 and not quite as good on VHF Hi as the RCA ANT751.
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I enter my info on TVFool and looking for an indoor antenna or maybe to place in the attic. Can you suggest a good indoor antenna for my location. I was thinking of getting the HDA-5700 from monoprice but don't know if its any good. TIA
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The only channels I got on the 2000 where I am before the switch were WVIT and WEDN. My TV is analog and I have been waiting to order a new one because I am worried I may need a larger antenna setup here than is practical for an RV. Tvfool seems to indicate I can get many channels with a good antenna but antennaweb shows only 2.
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Thanks EV for your help. I'll check back about my setup. Keep up the good work helping all those you do. I know you help many here.
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The C2 with a high power amp like the CM 7777 will probably get you most of the UHF up to -90 dbm mark. You might even be able to set it in one nuanced place and forget it, though being able to rotate it a bit will help on specific stations. That would net you an ABC on 40 if the one on Real Channel 10 doesnt pick up, and also an NBC on 35 but probably not on 11.

Looking at it like that, the C2 could be a solution.

The RCA ANT751 and the CM 2016 are strong contenders as well. You might have to buy and try, then keep the one that best suits you, all could benefit from a CM 7777 amplifier.

You actually could step up to a Winegard 7694 which is also made in the USA. That was my initial reaction to the TVfool without any other info, such as you wanting to keep it small. This would without question serve you well. But if you want to downsize, the above 3 are good propositions especially with the CM 7777 amp.....but will take some experimentation.
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Vintage VHF set top antenna

That one doesnt even have a model number on it, so it may be one of their firsts.

http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/tricraft_600.html
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Rob concievably, the Antennas Direct DB2 and or the ClearStream1 could work for you with the CM 7777 amplifier as well. The DB2 aint that much below the ClearStream2 and Ive been very impressed with the ClearStream1 as well....but the C1 may be pushing it.
post #1825 of 3314
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

Yeah Channel Master shut down its US antenna manufacturing operation last year.

There are a few US choices though.

The RCA ANT751 and the EZ HD (probably made by Winegard),

Winegard 4400

and a little upstart Godar which makes AM and FM and TV antennas, of which I can highly recommend the Godar Model 1, low profile UHF log periodic design combined with VHF rabbit ear telescoping adjustable dipoles.

Isnt Antennacraft still American made ?
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Not sure on that. I think I saw an AC 13 from a Chinese manufacturer.
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Preliminary results on recent indoor antennas.

The Lava 463 is very good, not quite the match of the 1880 but almost. I think it loses to it in the lower UHF band. Note amplified.

CM 4040 is a winner. Note not amplified.

AD C1C with reflector not quite the match of the DB2 but right behind it. The CM 4040 was its superior to the C1C though. All three unamped when tested.

Philips SDV2750 was a decent mid level performer, better than the others below. Note amplified.

GE Optima couldnt match the RCA ANT108, both were very poor at my distance. Note not amplified.

The GE Quantum was slightly better than the Optima and the RCA ANT108 but nothing to write home about. Note amplified.


All tested with 6 ft coax to RS Variable Antenuator to either attached coax or another 6 ft of coax to antenna.
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

I enter my info on TVFool and looking for an indoor antenna or maybe to place in the attic. Can you suggest a good indoor antenna for my location. I was thinking of getting the HDA-5700 from monoprice but don't know if its any good. TIA

J Chin, sorry I missed your post.

The Monoprice antenna would probably be pretty good, but you may not get CBS channel 11 and ABC channel 8.

If you had your heart set on that small antenna so you can mount outdoors, then the Philips MANT940 is a better try, mount it sideways. It gives you something on VHF Hi and could work with your strongish signals, especially if you mount it outdoors facing the towers and find a sweet spot with your flexible mounting options.

It really depends on what you are willing, able, and prefering to do.
post #1829 of 3314
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Originally Posted by EscapeVelocity View Post

J Chin, sorry I missed your post.

The Monoprice antenna would probably be pretty good, but you may not get CBS channel 11 and ABC channel 8.

If you had your heart set on that small antenna so you can mount outdoors, then the Philips MANT940 is a better try, mount it sideways. It gives you something on VHF Hi and could work with your strongish signals, especially if you mount it outdoors facing the towers and find a sweet spot with your flexible mounting options.

It really depends on what you are willing, able, and prefering to do.

Thanks for the respond EV, so neither really picks up VHF? Is there another model thats compact and will receive both UHF & VHF? And can you explain VHF Hi, I don't understand?
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Holl_ands and IDRick.

I checked measurements on the RCA ANT751 against IDRicks measurements of the EZ HD, they are exactly the same.

Does ANT751 also use a standard 300:75-ohm Balun???
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