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post #3061 of 3314
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

AFAIC, the:
"Terrestrial Digital DB2 - Double Bow Tie (AntennasDirect, Eagle Aspen, and others)"
antenna is the best bang for the buck. At least the Eagle Aspen version. The reflector can be removed and it mounted on a wooden made 'stand for a very non intrusive indoor antenna. The 3rd attachemnt is a side view with the reflector. For $13 (best price I found), you can't beat it other the the original 'Sliver Sensor', the standard others can be based on.

Of course, both of these are UHF only (for the most part). Forget using any UHF antenna on the VHF low band unless you are a very short distance away.

Just what did you do with all those antennas in the OP two year ago??

The DB2 and DB4 are going to be replaced soon (late this year, according to Antennas Direct). While slightly larger than the current model, the new DB2 will still be indoor-able, and the early claims say 13dBi of gain. This could be a game-changer for indoor and balcony installs.
Unfortunately, the new models will run in the $60-80 range, and I don't think there will be a bargain Eagle Aspen version.
post #3062 of 3314
Here's a photo. The closed loops will eliminte the poking hazard.
LL
post #3063 of 3314
While the info here made not be all scientific or based on facts and specific figures, it nevertheless can be heplful when evaluating which indoor antennas have worked and which have not. Of course, it all depends upon location and signal strength which will vary from area to area. Most of the Walmart/Target type of indoor antennas are overpriced and do not perform very well, so a step up to the RadioShack basic rabbit ears/loop is a starting suggestion. If a stronger antenna is needed, the Terk HDTVi/HDTVa is a recommended option. And other outdoor antennas that work very well indoors are the previously mentioned DB2, or the CM4220 version. And the Eagle Aspen model is the best priced. Also, the Clearstream 1 has proven to work very well, and the Mohu Leaf antenna is the only flat panel antenna that apparently is designed well. I have tried all of these antennas except the Mohu, and can report from my experience that they all work well but results will vary from person to person, and UHF vs VHF capabilities may be a consideration. What is key is patience and experimentation.
post #3064 of 3314
Someone really didn't like the OP's results.
(one thing nice about instant notification, any post deleted afterwards still shows in the e-mail )

The problem with evaluating any antenna is reflections, especially indoors. It's doubtful anyone is able to produce a 'test area' that doesn't have reflections and own a ATSC signal generator with the appropriate transmit antenna.

Using OTA signals vary to much. I see signal levels vary 10db within an hour at times from distant stations and as much as 3db with local stations less than 20 miles away. It's impossible to take readings under those changing conditions.
post #3065 of 3314
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Someone really didn't like the OP's results.

(one thing nice about instant notification, any post deleted afterwards still shows in the e-mail )

Not if you haven't visited the forum since the previous email notification. I missed it.
post #3066 of 3314
I deleted the notification after I clicked on the link before I visited the thread as I usually do.
And I thought I got mad.
post #3067 of 3314
You didn't miss anything, Clint.  It added nothing to the discussion.
post #3068 of 3314
Have you check out "The Leaf" yet, pretty neat and works better than the Winegard SS-3000 Amplified Indoor UHF/VHF Antenna.
post #3069 of 3314
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Originally Posted by LithOTA View Post

The DB2 and DB4 are going to be replaced soon (late this year, according to Antennas Direct). While slightly larger than the current model, the new DB2 will still be indoor-able, and the early claims say 13dBi of gain. This could be a game-changer for indoor and balcony installs.
Unfortunately, the new models will run in the $60-80 range, and I don't think there will be a bargain Eagle Aspen version.


"Late this year" -- that's what they said last September. Was it a reliable source? AD had posted on TVFool forum, but they have not updated the original last year estimate, saying only it will be announced on their website when it happens.
post #3070 of 3314
I'm trying (yet again) to find a good indoor antenna. My tvfool info is here: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...8387de3d0024aa

I'm only really interested in the signals to the southwest. I'm at the far end of a row of townhomes, so I've got a lot of interference in the way. That said, a basic pair of rabbit ears has worked okay but I can't get the VHF signals to come in reliably, especially the high VHF. I tried pointing my Terk HDTVa that way without amplifying the signal but I think I get too much multipathing, as it's worse on all channels. Is there a favorite VHF/UHF indoor multi-directional antenna?
post #3071 of 3314
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Originally Posted by TalkingRat View Post

"Late this year" -- that's what they said last September. Was it a reliable source? AD had posted on TVFool forum, but they have not updated the original last year estimate, saying only it will be announced on their website when it happens.

I'm being told "November-ish" is the current forecasted availability. Production is scheduled for sometime in October.
post #3072 of 3314
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Originally Posted by ADTech View Post

I'm being told "November-ish" is the current forecasted availability. Production is scheduled for sometime in October.

Thanks! I guess it's too soon for specs, but I'll keep a close watch now. I have been googling, didn't see anything, and my DSL is so slow, it's essentially 2x dial up.
post #3073 of 3314
I've got the specs from the design engineer's simulations.

For the DB2e, computations indicate 9.16 dBi at 475 MHz with a very smooth climb to 11.77 dBi at 698 MHz. Measured SWR ranges from 1.57:1 to 2.26:1, depending on the frequency. My field testing this spring showed it should be pretty close to the simulations.

I'll ask the product manager to include the tech data sheets (like we have on the C5) on the website when it does get added. I'll have to see what she can do.
post #3074 of 3314
That would be great. Thanks!!
post #3075 of 3314
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Originally Posted by asterion View Post

I'm trying (yet again) to find a good indoor antenna. My tvfool info is here: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...8387de3d0024aa

I'm only really interested in the signals to the southwest. I'm at the far end of a row of townhomes, so I've got a lot of interference in the way. That said, a basic pair of rabbit ears has worked okay but I can't get the VHF signals to come in reliably, especially the high VHF. I tried pointing my Terk HDTVa that way without amplifying the signal but I think I get too much multipathing, as it's worse on all channels. Is there a favorite VHF/UHF indoor multi-directional antenna?

If you are using the HDTVa with only the cable that came with the antenna, moving the antenna away from electronics can make a huge difference. This can be accomplished by adding a longer coax. VHF signals are hurt the worst. With a wrong-facing window, I've found signals from a single antenna farm here are best received using several radically different aims. 90 and even 180 degrees aim off of "correct" even work. It's aiming for one channel at a time. Good Luck.
post #3076 of 3314
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Originally Posted by asterion View Post

I'm trying (yet again) to find a good indoor antenna. My tvfool info is here: http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wr...8387de3d0024aa

I'm only really interested in the signals to the southwest. I'm at the far end of a row of townhomes, so I've got a lot of interference in the way. That said, a basic pair of rabbit ears has worked okay but I can't get the VHF signals to come in reliably, especially the high VHF. I tried pointing my Terk HDTVa that way without amplifying the signal but I think I get too much multipathing, as it's worse on all channels. Is there a favorite VHF/UHF indoor multi-directional antenna?

This rabbit ear/loop antenna might work better:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=2103077

For either one, getting the antenna away from other electronics and electrical devices will do wonders for reception. VHF is particularly prone to this type of interference. And VHF seldom penetrates walls well. Stone, stucco, brick, concrete or metal walls are the worst. Metal wall studs are VHF killers, too.

Add an additional length of coax, using a barrel splice.
http://i40.tinypic.com/14xgq2r.jpg
post #3077 of 3314
Thanks for the suggestions. I actually decided to go with the Winegard FreeVision FV-30BB (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003L76BJS). I assembled it, stuck it on top of my bookshelf next to the TV, and scanned. I got all reasonably-available (not the low-powered) signals in high reception and picture quality. Plus, I can mount it outside in the future.
post #3078 of 3314
I second the Moho Leaf. Nothing else for indoors would work for me like it did.
post #3079 of 3314
My first post! Here's my project to go over the air reception:

I have room for it in a corner of my living room, so I'm getting the ClearStream2 indoor-outdoor antenna and using its included floor stand. I have three large window in that location as well. My TV is a Sony KDR-34" widescreen monster with an ATSC tuner. OTA hasn't been attempted here (by me) but I'm not too far from the city's broadcast towers, which are almost a dead-straight shot to my LR windows. Will post the results once I have everything installed.

Thanks for the great info everyone!! Especially EV's.

pd
Cedar Rapids
IA
post #3080 of 3314
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so I'm getting the ClearStream2

Consider getting either the C2v or ordering the separate VHF reflector kit if you order the "basic" C2. Three of your major stations are on VHF and they come from opposite directions.
post #3081 of 3314
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Originally Posted by modhatter View Post

I second the Moho Leaf. Nothing else for indoors would work for me like it did.

How many of you have actually tested or used the Mohu Leaf? This antenna came on the market a couple of years after EscapeVelocity's tests, I want to know how well it handles aviation interference near a flight path?
post #3082 of 3314
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Originally Posted by seatacboy View Post

How many of you have actually tested or used the Mohu Leaf? This antenna came on the market a couple of years after EscapeVelocity's tests, I want to know how well it handles aviation interference near a flight path?

..probably as well (poorly) as any other antenna that isn't particularly directional.
post #3083 of 3314
I live in Meadville, PA and my local stations come out of Erie about 30 mi away. I have a cheaper set of amp loop and rabbit ears. Reception is spotty and breaks up frequently. I'm looking for something a little more consistant. Here are my tvfool.com results. With my current set up we get 24 and 66 consistently, but 12, 35, and 54 are touch and go. Can someone recommend an attic install or better indoor rig? I prefer not to venture into outdoor setups. We live at the top of a hill with a not much interference. The thing that causes us the most problems right now is the traffic on the road outside. When cars go by we get break-ups. Maybe I only need an additional amplifier? Any suggestions or tips would be much appreciated.
LL
post #3084 of 3314
What are the station call letters for channel 54? I don't see it in your TVFool list.

Regarding amps, you should try not amplification at all, as an amp may overload your strong signals or it may amplify electrical or FM radio interference, particularly for channel 12. Try a simple passive indoor antenna and place it in a different locations and heights in the room until you find a hot spot for all channels. Extend the dipole rods about half their length, in a "V". To increase the coax length on coax cables hardwired to an antenna, use a barrel splice to add more coax.
post #3085 of 3314
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Originally Posted by seatacboy View Post

How many of you have actually tested or used the Mohu Leaf? This antenna came on the market a couple of years after EscapeVelocity's tests, I want to know how well it handles aviation interference near a flight path?

Check out this thread for an interesting way of handling multipath:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1372416&page=2

Post #45 has links to making a blind to protect the antenna from multipath. This might also be able to handle your aviation interference, especially if it is coming from above the antenna. Aluminum foil could be substituted for making a homemade blind as well.
post #3086 of 3314
Good information. Thanks
post #3087 of 3314
Is EscapeVelocity still around here? I wanted to ask him if he's had a chance to check out the Mohu Leaf or the Wall-Tenna, both of which were not on the market when he conducted his testing round-up a couple of years ago.
post #3088 of 3314
The reviews on the Mohu Leaf are like testimonials of a miracle, so I ordered one and see what it can do.
post #3089 of 3314
im curious as well.keep us posted.
post #3090 of 3314
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Originally Posted by seatacboy View Post

Is EscapeVelocity still around here? I wanted to ask him if he's had a chance to check out the Mohu Leaf or the Wall-Tenna, both of which were not on the market when he conducted his testing round-up a couple of years ago.

There is a review of the Leaf and Wall-Tenna at:

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/?p=1619
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