Do you want a neutral and correct speaker? - Page 17

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How do "less than adequate" electronics fit into this, in your opinion?

I have a Denon CD changer that, upon first listen, sounds very dynamic and detailed. But with more listening you realize that it is bright, annoying and harsh. You know what I do with it? It's feeding a Carver front end that is driving Advent Heritage speakers.

Presto! The bright Denon coupled with the fat, laid back sound of the Carver amp and the warm, rolled off Advents works and sounds great.

My point: all speakers have a place and use. You just need to experiment a bit.

Excellent point! Some drugs make everything sound fantastic!

That is an illogical leap that I would never make. Who here said that?

Is there one audiophile on this site that would say that a 10 dB dip at 300 hz is neutral and correct? IMO, no there is not.

Are you arguing that the best speakers must be ruler flat, since all else inaccurately add to the source music?

I don't think you are understanding what others are trying to tell you in this little thread you started. People like different things in a speaker and no speaker is perfect.

Another poster made some comments about bad recordings, IMHO in that case a less revealing speaker would obviously not reveal as many of the recordings flaws, so could sound better(less annoying) in that instance.

Likewise superb recordings generally sound great on most systems. Ever wonder why a lot of hi fi shops play jazz? Its easier to reproduce, is usually recorded fairly well and will make most systems shine. (No offense to jazz lovers.)

Ever wonder why you should always bring your own CDs to demo speakers or any other equipment for that matter? For the exact opposite reason than the question above.

P.S. who says a warm sounding speaker is a problem? They are a part of one hell of a good sounding system for when I am slamming back some beers in my garage.

" Ever wonder why a lot of hi fi shops play jazz? Its easier to reproduce, is usually recorded fairly well and will make most systems shine."


I never heard that one before. Maybe you wanted to say smooth Jazz?

And, apparently, every speaker.

In an ideal world that would be true.

Although I've read some possibly extreme examples, the basic concept is correct: reproduction of sound in a home environment is all part of a system (as you correctly point out---the room is a really big factor in that).

If you could find a speaker that measured essentially flat across the entire audio spectrum----the resulting sound may not actually be all that pleasant. When you read comments from people who have tried using parametic equalizer and test tones to achieve that---at times the resulting sound is described as "too bright". I know that's what I found when I did it.

I think the reality is that you actually do have to find components, along with proper room treatment, that compliment each other---and the devil is in the details.

NIN, are you the audio science professor at the university of Scoghall? Your posts are really academic.

I don't know that. Thats why I used words and accronyms like "could" and "IMHO".

FWIW, your thoughts on bad recordings and less revealing speakers creating more problems is entirely possible. But keep in mind its just a theory, as was mine.

Even if one have the most measured flat FR speakers, the research shows that a perfectly flat respons at the listening position is not desired among most listeners, that's what I think petergaryr is talking about.

/Chuck

One of the things that sometimes gets lost in these type of discussions is what standard is being used to judge "accuracy". There are certainly measurements that can be done...and they do have their place.

When I evaluate anything, the standard I use is live music. I've been a vocalist in a band for close to 20 years. At least for my purposes, I know what our band sounds like. If I listen to a recording of it, I can tell fairly quickly how accurate the "chain" is from recording through electronics to speakers.

I've also attended a number of classical concerts so I'm pretty familiar with what an orchestra sounds like (factoring in the hall acoustics).

So, all I'm saying is that if the end result produces "accurate" representation of live music, then I am satisfied. Sometimes that means mixing and matching components to compensate for minor irregularities.

Correct.

This has been the basis of getting better than average sound all along. Great point.

Otherwise everyone prefers studio monitors as opposed to B&W's...

I prefer B&W's

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