Do you want a neutral and correct speaker? - Page 3

Originally Posted by Nuance

See Nin, you still aren't making sense, because I said something very similar in my thread about no speaker being perfect, and you said you disagreed. Make up your mind man - you make no sense!

Edit: here is the conversation we had starting on page 70 of my speaker thread:

I said this:


And then you said:


Finally, you said this:


Even though your responses pretty much make no sense at all, almost as if you misunderstood what I wrote, you still clearly disagreed with me. But then in the last post you practically echoed what I said (in your own special way), but then say that the same sound signature will come through all speakers on all records? Whaa??? Do you mean you'll still hear the sound from the record no matter what speaker it is being played through?

So which is it going to be, NIN? First you disagree, but now you agree? But then you disagree...or wait...did you agree again? I can't even follow this. Do you change your opinions based on the days of the week?

All right - that's enough for me. I just wanted to point out that NIN likes to argue and has a track record of coming into good solid threads and getting them closed. That's not my intent here, but at least now he knows how it feels. Please don't fall into his "game." I'm out!

Originally Posted by quadriverfalls

So NIN.... you never answered my questions on page one.... Have you ever measured your supposedly accurate and correct speakers in YOUR room? What kind of FR do you get from them? What kind of distortion?

And.... if you prefer a speaker with zero coloration or a ruler flat FR.... how is it that you prefer tube amps that are full of coloration and distortion? Or, do you prefer a ruler flat FR on a speaker so that it accurately reproduces all of that coloration and distortion from a tube amp?

Not trying to flame here.... I'm just trying to get a handle on exactly what it is you are saying. Like Nuance, I'm a bit confused by some of your statements sometimes.

Originally Posted by david-me

I am not sure if NIN74 understands that even if you had 2 completely different speakers, and in a vacuum were to measure flat (+/- .01db) from 20hz to 20khz, the moment you put them in any room, both speakers would change dramatically and differently.

Originally Posted by Nuance

Oh, I understand - more than you ever will. But when you make absolutely no sense when you post, people will find it hard to determine just exactly what you mean. Just re-read your posts and you'll see what I mean. If you still don't see the problem, take an English language course.

P.S. You still contradict yourself a LOT. So it is you who doesn't understand even the simplest things, not me.

Originally Posted by Raymond Leggs

This thread is WAY too amusing and confusing.

In the first corner of the room we have people saying that a speaker that has a flat frequency responce is the best-sounding speaker. But then that raises another issue, it the speakers are completely "flat" sounding, wouldnt that man that the speaker is "shy" SOUNDING across the full fequency range? And for the record there is no such thing as a completely flat speaker.

in the second corner of the room we have the people who are saying that a good speaker Has a bowl shaped FR if plotted out on a graph. But that raises another issue, if that is so then wouln't the speaker be less accurate.

In the third corner we have people who are saying that a speaker that has a boosted midrange is the better speaker. That also raises another issue, if there is too much midrange the speaker wwill sound king of tubby or the voices of certain singers will seem to "pop" out too much.

In the fourth corner of the room we have people who don't care either way as long as the speaker sounds "good".

In the middle of the room we have pulliam ranting about his speakers that have sharply peaked midrange, bass and treble turned up and a High THD.

Originally Posted by kitsum

Flat FR speakers can sound dull and lifeless. Easy to get used to them. Good for studio monitors.
Colored (inaccurate) speakers can sound like live music. Not easy to get used to them, but once you do, you are hooked. Very organic and exciting sound.
Which one would you choose?

Originally Posted by remodeler

This is one of the reasons I will never call myself an audiophile(other than my woefully small knowledge base). I don't care if a speaker is neutral or not. I'm not looking for a perfect reproduction of the original. I want them to sound good to me. I want good detail, I want them to have some punch to them. Accurate to the original? I could care less. That's just my take on it. I've never tested a set of speakers and doubt I ever will. I am willing to bet there are a large number of people just like me who just don't want to admit that.
It's fine if that's what floats your boat but I just want to enjoy my music and movies. Stressing about perfection would just take away from my limited listening time and enjoyment.