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post #61 of 508
I was playing around with some divx content on my dv-410 connected via hdmi to my receiver and then hdmi to my tv. I couldn't get rid of some horrid black crush on many dark scenes. The same file played on my computer with wmp doesn't have any black crush and shows all of the details in the dark scenes.

I don't believe it's my tv since I've calibrated and recalibrated it to see if it helps. It may be my receiver since I have a yamaha rx-v1800 which is reported to not be passing btb through hdmi from source.

Any suggestions for settings on the dv-410 that may fix the black crush issue?
post #62 of 508
is this ok, for US region free

http://www.pioneerfaq.info/english/d...tion=Firmwares
post #63 of 508
daigo,

Does raising Brightness and/or lowering Gamma (per some of the remarks in posts #46, 50 and 53) help some?
post #64 of 508
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Originally Posted by ADU View Post

daigo,

Does raising Brightness and/or lowering Gamma (per some of the remarks in posts #46, 50 and 53) help some?

I did try some of your suggestions for gamma and brightness and it helped some but definitely not at the level of detail for many darker scenes as when I play the same file on my computer.

Going to try hooking the dv-410 directly to the tv with hdmi tonight and really isolate if it's my yamaha receiver's fault or not, especially after reading a little more about the topic in the AVR forum in the clipping thread and the RX-V1800 thread.

Other than the black crush on a few divx files, I've been very happy with the dvd, cd, and divx playback of the dv-410 so I'm hoping it's something that's simple to resolve.
post #65 of 508
I know next to nothing about DivX. Are most DivX video files encoded with standard 16-235 video levels, or 0-255 PC levels? (If it's standard 16-235 video levels, then maybe the files getting crushed were incorrectly encoded with 0-255 PC levels?)
post #66 of 508
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Originally Posted by PowerPC View Post

Received my 410 today.

It definitely feels like a higher-end piece of equipment than my 400. And I love the new remote. Minimalist, rugged and straight forward...

I've already updated to the new/hacked firmware linked to above and this player is now that much more useful.

On the PQ; It's been a month or two since I dumped by 400, but from memory the 410 definitely seems to provide a sharper image.

It's definitely not USB 2 for those who are wondering as evidenced by how long it takes to queue up a 1GB avi file.

how did you go about updating the firmware? I just received my 410V. Can I assume that firmware is up to date? Any other ideas on the other settings to choose from in initial settings such as HDMI resolution and TV screen?
post #67 of 508
has anyone had any success of playing a divx file with a 16:9 aspect ratio? i'm testing my videos and it seems it can only play 720x480 resolution at 1.5:1 aspect ratio. is there a way to play divx files encoded in higher resolutions?
post #68 of 508
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Originally Posted by madara18 View Post

has anyone had any success of playing a divx file with a 16:9 aspect ratio? i'm testing my videos and it seems it can only play 720x480 resolution at 1.5:1 aspect ratio.

One solution might be to change the Video Output/TV Screen setting from 16:9 (Compressed) to 16:9 (Wide).
post #69 of 508
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by madara18 View Post

has anyone had any success of playing a divx file with a 16:9 aspect ratio? i'm testing my videos and it seems it can only play 720x480 resolution at 1.5:1 aspect ratio. is there a way to play divx files encoded in higher resolutions?

This player will not playback divx at resolutions higher than 720x480.
post #70 of 508
Hi
I have had the 410 for 2 weeks now.
I am hooked up to a Samsung LN40A550 via HDMI 1.3B cable.
I am running into problems with Calibration.
I use "THX Optimiser" and "DVE" to calibrate my flat screen.
The problem that i have is that when the 410 goes into "still/pause" mode, it degrades the resolution thus inpairing me to properly use the calibration tests.
The worse one is the "Sharpness" test on the DVE that uses a circle and a series of lines. The image in fine for the first 3-4 seconds and then the image becomes degraded and all the lines become "edgy". I noticed that this happens when the dvd player goes into "still" mode during the calibration tests.

I performed the same calibration tests on my 360 and the image never becomes degraded and the lines don't become "edgy" which allows me to properly calibrate.

Has anyone else encountered this problem?

Thanks
S
post #71 of 508
The pause mode on the 410V needs improvement. However, I think if you access the DVE patterns through the Reference Material section rather than through the tutorials, you won't run into this issue with the Display Setup and Resolution patterns going into pause mode.

To get to the Reference Material, press "Top Menu" on the remote to go to DVE's Program Menu. Select Program Guide, and then Reference Materials. Then navigate to the Title that has the patterns you want, and use the "Prev/Next Chapter" buttons on the remote to advance through the patterns.

You can also jump directly to the Title or Chapter/pattern you want with the player's Search Mode (under Play Modes), or via the player's Disc Navigator. (You may have to Stop the player to use these features.) Most of the screen setup patterns are in Titles 12 & 13.

(Instructions above are for the SD NTSC Component edition of DVE. Other versions may work differently.)
post #72 of 508
[quote=ADU;14305989]The pause mode on the 410V needs improvement. However, I think if you access the DVE patterns through the Reference Material section rather than through the tutorials, you won't run into this issue with the Display Setup and Resolution patterns going into pause mode.[quote]

Thanks for the reply ADU....i will try in the Reference Material Section.

I just feel a little let down by the unit. The reviews on the 410 are excellent and there is much hype. It's supposed to be one of the best upscalers on the market right now whereas the 360 is known to be a "lousy" DVD player yet i still had to rely on the 360 to calibrate my TV because the 410 was not up to the task. And in regards to the pause mode, my old $50.00 Zenith doesn't even degrade the image.
I am thinking of returning it but i am not sure because it does play back standard def movies very well.

thanks
S
post #73 of 508
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Sideswipe View Post

I just feel a little let down by the unit. The reviews on the 410 are excellent and there is much hype. It's supposed to be one of the best upscalers on the market right now whereas the 360 is known to be a "lousy" DVD player yet i still had to rely on the 360 to calibrate my TV because the 410 was not up to the task.

I understand your disappointment with the pause quality. This unit has issues with pause (it drops to half vertical resolution in pause, showing only one field of video), zoom (only 2x and 4x), and aspect ratio switching (you have to manually change from 16:9 wide to 16:9 compressed to watch 4:3 material over HDMI).

However, this unit is excellent at just playing movies. If your primary objective is to sit back and watch a movie, this is a great player. If your primary objective is looking at paused images, or zooming to arbitrary magnifications, then you'll want to look elsewhere. It just depends on what you want from your DVD player.
post #74 of 508
Agree with most of the above, except this...
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and aspect ratio switching (you have to manually change from 16:9 wide to 16:9 compressed to watch 4:3 material over HDMI)

You may need to tinker with the 16:9 TV Screen settings on the player to get some video files to look right (as suggested to madara18 above). But for regular DVDs, you should be able to just set the 16:9 mode and then forget it.
post #75 of 508
wats latest region free firmware?
post #76 of 508
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Originally Posted by David_OSU View Post

I understand your disappointment with the pause quality. This unit has issues with pause (it drops to half vertical resolution in pause, showing only one field of video), zoom (only 2x and 4x), and aspect ratio switching (you have to manually change from 16:9 wide to 16:9 compressed to watch 4:3 material over HDMI).

However, this unit is excellent at just playing movies. If your primary objective is to sit back and watch a movie, this is a great player. If your primary objective is looking at paused images, or zooming to arbitrary magnifications, then you'll want to look elsewhere. It just depends on what you want from your DVD player.


i guess that you are right....the pause issue bothers me but the play quality more than makes up for it i guess. i just hate the fact that i have to use a different machine to calibrate my TV.
thanks for the replies on this issue.
post #77 of 508
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ADU View Post

Agree with most of the above, except this...You may need to tinker with the 16:9 TV Screen settings on the player to get some video files to look right (as suggested to madara18 above). But for regular DVDs, you should be able to just set the 16:9 mode and then forget it.

When I set the HDMI output to 16:9 wide, it will stretch 4:3 material to the full width of the screen. This is OK for anamorphic DVDs, but 4:3 DVDs also get stretched and don't look right. When I set it to 16:9 compressed, it outputs everything at 4:3 aspect, including anamorphic DVDs.
On composite or S-video output, I use the TV menu to switch between 4:3 and wide (for anamorphic). But on HDMI, my TV is locked to 1:1 pixel mapping (which it should ), so I have to rely on the DVD player to do the switching. It should be automatic (based on the DVD anamorphic flag), but it isn't.

Update: OK, I was wrong about this. You can set the HDMI output to "16:9 compressed" and it will correctly show both 4:3 and anamorphic content.
post #78 of 508
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Sideswipe View Post

i guess that you are right....the pause issue bothers me but the play quality more than makes up for it i guess.

It is frustrating that this unit is only a firmware update away from being the best DVD player on the market below a hundred bucks.

For pause, it should show only one video field when the source material is interlaced (this is how all VCRs implement pause). But for non-interlaced DVDs (most movies, for example), it should implement a still-frame weave deinterlace to provide full vertical resolution. Again, just a firmware change away...
post #79 of 508
May be Hakan revise his region free firmware and fix these issues too?
post #80 of 508
I'm praying we see another firmware release soon from Hakan. 1.0 feels *very* beta.
post #81 of 508
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Originally Posted by David_OSU View Post

When I set the HDMI output to 16:9 wide, it will stretch 4:3 material to the full width of the screen. This is OK for anamorphic DVDs, but 4:3 DVDs also get stretched and don't look right. When I set it to 16:9 compressed, it outputs everything at 4:3 aspect, including anamorphic DVDs.

On composite or S-video output, I use the TV menu to switch between 4:3 and wide (for anamorphic). But on HDMI, my TV is locked to 1:1 pixel mapping (which it should ), so I have to rely on the DVD player to do the switching. It should be automatic (based on the DVD anamorphic flag), but it isn't.

Sorry you're having some difficulty with this. The 16:9 TV Screen modes seem to be working OK on my 410V though.

The 16:9 (Wide) mode linearly stretches 4:3 DVDs to fill the 16:9 screen (as it should). And the 16:9 (Compressed) mode pillarboxes 4:3 DVDs so they display at ~4:3 ratio in the HD modes. Both modes leave the 16:9 DVDs alone though, so they display at their normal 16:9 ratio with no pillarboxing.

The 16:9 (Compressed) mode also automatically switches between 4:3 pillarboxing and 16:9 display when the DVD contains mixed content (e.g. some 4:3 and some 16:9 movie trailers). So as far as I can tell, both modes seem to be working as they should for standard DVDs via HDMI. (Verified this with the THX Optimizer's AR tests, and a couple 4:3 and 16:9 DVDs.)

I haven't tried any video files to see how it works with those though. And am using the original Pio firmware that came with the player (ROM VERSION: YJB8223B), if that means anything.

The player's 4:3 pillarboxing is only designed to work in the HDMI HD modes btw. If you're using one of the analog outputs (composite, SVHS or component), or have the HDMI output set to 480i/p, then the player will not pillarbox 4:3 DVDs so the AR adjustments can be performed by the display.
post #82 of 508
My Pioneer dv-410v always crash when trying to play a XVID with a custom matrix.
Custom matrix can be detected using Mpeg4modifier or Avinaptic.

Mpeg4Modifier --> video info
Avinaptic --> statics --> drf analysis

When the AVI comes with one of the two default xvid matrices, H.263 and MPEG, there is no problem.
post #83 of 508
I noticed the audio on this model is a bit too high.. I really hate all this over-modulated crap everyone is doing. (Is there anyway to change this?) Other than that it's a nice model. It should have had an optical digital output as well.
post #84 of 508
Hi,

Can the DV410 play DIVX files which are 1280X720 (or any other high-res files)?

Ronen
post #85 of 508
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ADU View Post

The 16:9 (Compressed) mode also automatically switches between 4:3 pillarboxing and 16:9 display when the DVD contains mixed content (e.g. some 4:3 and some 16:9 movie trailers).

I haven't tried leaving it in Compressed mode -- I'll try that and see if it correctly displays anamorphic content.

Thanks for the tip!
post #86 of 508
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Originally Posted by ronenj View Post

Hi,

Can the DV410 play DIVX files which are 1280X720 (or any other high-res files)?

Ronen


no.
post #87 of 508
Thanks.
What's the maximum resolution that this unit can play?
post #88 of 508
720x480(4:3) and 624x352(16:9)
post #89 of 508
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Originally Posted by madara18 View Post

720x480(4:3) and 624x352(16:9)

Is this a standard for divx playback on most dvd divx player? or just for this player.

wonder if the phillip play at high res. ?
post #90 of 508
Hi guys,

My first post here...a little excited naturally...

I've been using the dv400 for over a year now.
As you all probably know, since it has a low power USB port, it's not possible
to connect a non-powered external HDD directly to it.

Is this the same case with the DV410?

BTW - my current 'solution' for using my 'WD Passport Elite' with the dv400
is to connect the passport to the USB port using a 'Y' cable that is powered on its extra port by a USB charger.
This setup works like a charm but it's a little cluttered - hence my question...

THX for your help,
Alon
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