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post #1021 of 1240
8/12/12 at 8:03pm
After installing my XS3D, I am not able to get the GUI on my Denon AVR-4311CI to appear, so was wondering if I am doing something wrong. The only things I have hooked up right now are:

Denon DVD-3800BDIC Blu-ray player => Denon AVR-4311CI => Lumagen XS3D => Projector

Eventually, the path will be as follows:

Denon DVD-3800BDIC Blu-ray player => Lumagen XS3D => Denon AVR-4311CI => Projector

Thanks.

Mark
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post #1022 of 1240
8/13/12 at 5:29am
Giomania, perhaps you need that resistor wired in the IR cable? I would personally also like it wired to the back, but It's one of those things that I put off indefinitely.
Edited by amt - 8/13/12 at 5:35am
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post #1023 of 1240
8/13/12 at 6:24am
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Giomania, perhaps you need that resistor wired in the IR cable? I would personally also like it wired to the back, but It's one of those things that I put off indefinitely.

Sorry, I should have mentioned I checked out the Radiance Tech Tip on the IR input issue. The Tech Tip singled out Radiance XD models with S/N 1570 or less (if memory serves) require a resistor, and the rest do not.

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post #1024 of 1240
8/13/12 at 6:45am
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No change after loading the current software, but I didn't really expect any change. I stuck an IR flasher on the front and am moving on.
Mark

I tried a standard mini/mono cable for both a pronto IR transmitter and a Global Cache IR device. Wouldn't work. Also just went to flashers and works perfect. I have a XE3D. SJ
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post #1025 of 1240
8/13/12 at 10:32am
The TTL input (3.5mm) on the back of Radiance will work with some IR base stations. If it doesn't work with your particular base station you should use an IR flasher on the front of the Radiance.

When you connect an IR base station to the TTL input on the back of the Radiance it disconnects the IR receiver on the front.

I would think that you should be able to see the Denon GUI with the receiver in the video path in front of the Radiance. Are there any GUI display settings in the Denon menu?

Randy Freeman
Lumagen
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post #1026 of 1240
8/13/12 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by rfpublic View Post

The TTL input (3.5mm) on the back of Radiance will work with some IR base stations. If it doesn't work with your particular base station you should use an IR flasher on the front of the Radiance.
When you connect an IR base station to the TTL input on the back of the Radiance it disconnects the IR receiver on the front.
I would think that you should be able to see the Denon GUI with the receiver in the video path in front of the Radiance. Are there any GUI display settings in the Denon menu?
Randy Freeman
Lumagen

Randy,

Thanks for the IR input functionality explanation; at least I know I had the right solution. Regarding the Denon GUI, there are settings that affect it, and I thought they were all correct, but we are working it out in the 4311 thread. I have heard from other Lumagen owners their Denon GUI works, so that points to the Denon (or the user) tongue.gif as the culprit.

Mark
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post #1027 of 1240
8/14/12 at 5:13am
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

After installing my XS3D, I am not able to get the GUI on my Denon AVR-4311CI to appear, so was wondering if I am doing something wrong. The only things I have hooked up right now are:
Denon DVD-3800BDIC Blu-ray player => Denon AVR-4311CI => Lumagen XS3D => Projector
Eventually, the path will be as follows:
Denon DVD-3800BDIC Blu-ray player => Lumagen XS3D => Denon AVR-4311CI => Projector
Thanks.
Mark

I performed a soft reset (pulled the power cord) on my Denon AVR-4311CI, and now the GUI is working with the Radiance.

Thanks.

Mark
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post #1028 of 1240
8/29/12 at 11:52am
Anybody having any HDMI sync issues between there Lumagen device (I have a XE3D) and an Oppo 93 with the latest oppo firmware? I noticed something right away as the Lumagen is not auto selecting the oppo if it is On prior to turning the Lumagen and other components on. I have to leave the oppo off until everything is up and running to allow the Lumagen to switch. Also if I turn the oppo on prior to everything else and select its input manually, it show nothing but a black screen. Once started it seems to go crazy syncing and I often have to turn the oppoc and XE3D off/on to get things working. SJ
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post #1029 of 1240
8/29/12 at 12:31pm
The length and type of HDMI cables you are using can have a major impact on your system. We recommend using HDMI cables that are a minimum length of 6 foot long. Shorter HDMI cables, especially certain short brand name HDMI cables, can sometimes cause problems. We recommend using good quality generic HDMI cables equivalent to cables from MonoPrice.com, BluejeanCables.com, or PCHCables.com.

The Radiance is a relatively low power device and is designed to be left on. To set the Radiance to power on when power is connected, press "Menu, Other, Auto On, Ok, When first powered:Turn On, Ok". Make sure that you "Save" the new setting by pressing "Menu, Save, Ok, Ok, Ok".

Randy Freeman
Lumagen
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post #1030 of 1240
8/29/12 at 4:06pm
The only thing that has changed in my setup is updating the oppo firmware. I'm going to try a few things, but OPPO support indicated that they think the Lumagen is not sending a proper Hot Plug signal to the player, and the player has already been turned on prior to the other equipment being ready to handshake a HDMI signal, then the player may not produce any audio or video through HDMI. Additionally they did indicate that they did make some changes to the Hot Plug timing on the player to allow for longer delays. However they felt that this should increase, not decrease, the performance of the handshakes.

I have not changed anything on the XE3D and all was working fine. I have top notch cables which have worked flawlessly for several years, but I will check if something has come loose.... SJ
Edited by SJHT - 8/29/12 at 10:02pm
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post #1031 of 1240
8/29/12 at 6:36pm
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The Radiance is a relatively low power device and is designed to be left on
Randy, that's just a really terrible thing to suggest.

I know from many friends overseas that it's still kinda accepted in the US to have equipment running 24/7, but european customers are very sensitive to power/energy-ratings and don't forget that we got a new EU-wide energy-efficiency guideline which requires all electronical devices to get on the market since mid 2010 to have a standby consumption lower than 1W.

In other words: do your homework and bring on that 4K Radiance-successor with a <1W standby consumption - not only for us Europeans, but for all videophiles tongue.gif
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post #1032 of 1240
8/30/12 at 11:24am
We plan to meet the EU standard for standby power on our next product.

Randy Freeman
Lumagen
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post #1033 of 1240
8/30/12 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by SJHT View Post

Anybody having any HDMI sync issues between there Lumagen device (I have a XE3D) and an Oppo 93 with the latest oppo firmware? I noticed something right away as the Lumagen is not auto selecting the oppo if it is On prior to turning the Lumagen and other components on. I have to leave the oppo off until everything is up and running to allow the Lumagen to switch. Also if I turn the oppo on prior to everything else and select its input manually, it show nothing but a black screen. Once started it seems to go crazy syncing and I often have to turn the oppoc and XE3D off/on to get things working. SJ

I tried a few more tests.... If the OPPO is on and I fire everthing up, the Lumagen will not switch to that input. Even if I select the input manually, it just shows a black screen. If I leave the OPPO off, then startup everything and then turn it on, everything seems to get going. What's unusual is that his did not happen before even if I turned the OPPO on (manually) and then fired up everything. Seems pickier with the new firmware. Any options on the Lumagen I could try to fix this or is the OPPO new firmware causing some issue? I know that more folks have this setup! OPPO support is telling me that the Lumagen is not sending the proper "hot plug" signal which I find hard to believe.... SJ
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post #1034 of 1240
8/30/12 at 6:42pm
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I tried a few more tests.... If the OPPO is on and I fire everthing up, the Lumagen will not switch to that input. Even if I select the input manually, it just shows a black screen. If I leave the OPPO off, then startup everything and then turn it on, everything seems to get going. What's unusual is that his did not happen before even if I turned the OPPO on (manually) and then fired up everything. Seems pickier with the new firmware. Any options on the Lumagen I could try to fix this or is the OPPO new firmware causing some issue? I know that more folks have this setup! OPPO support is telling me that the Lumagen is not sending the proper "hot plug" signal which I find hard to believe.... SJ

I (and I think most folks) never turn the Radiance off (nor the cable box).     Thus have never had these problems.

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post #1035 of 1240
8/30/12 at 7:29pm
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I (and I think most folks) never turn the Radiance off (nor the cable box).     Thus have never had these problems.
Mine always goes off. I never leave anything on that doesn't need to be. In my rack that means the TiVo, and MSC400. Everyone I know who has a Lumagen has it connected to a macro driven control system or remote controller and it goes on and off with everything else. I'm not having any issues there, but I'm behind on firmware, too.
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post #1036 of 1240
8/30/12 at 7:47pm
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Mine always goes off. I never leave anything on that doesn't need to be. In my rack that means the TiVo, and MSC400. Everyone I know who has a Lumagen has it connected to a macro driven control system or remote controller and it goes on and off with everything else. I'm not having any issues there, but I'm behind on firmware, too.


I checked this 'always on' idea with Lumagen, and they said they recommended it, and said that the power consumed was minimal.

 

Also, not sure about a Tivo or MSC400, but with a Comcast Moto DCX (and others) dvr, the dvr is recording even when the unit is turned 'off'.    Every discussion about this for the moto dvr that I have seen has recommended leaving it 'on' all the time.

 

But I am always open to being educated!

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post #1037 of 1240
8/30/12 at 9:13pm
I will reprogram my startup process to turn on the oppo well after the Lumagen. I run both a pronto system and iPad iRule setup in parallel to control our dedicated HT. Maybe that will help. I personally like to turn things off if possible, but wasn't an issue before I upgraded the new oppo firmware. SJ
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post #1038 of 1240
8/31/12 at 9:51am
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Everyone I know who has a Lumagen has it connected to a macro driven control system or remote controller and it goes on and off with everything else. I'm not having any issues there, but I'm behind on firmware, too.

With a device with an external power supply you are not really turning turning it off you are putting it in stand-by. It is still drawing power. I wonder what the difference in power consumption is between On and Stand-by is for the various Radiance models?
The only way to truly turn most modern electronics off is to unplug them or use a switched AC outlet. This is the reasoning behind the "One Watt Initiative" to reduce stand-by power consumption to 1 watt or less.
Edited by Dundas - 8/31/12 at 10:01am
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post #1039 of 1240
8/31/12 at 11:06am
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With a device with an external power supply you are not really turning turning it off you are putting it in stand-by. It is still drawing power. I wonder what the difference in power consumption is between On and Stand-by is for the various Radiance models?
The only way to truly turn most modern electronics off is to unplug them or use a switched AC outlet. This is the reasoning behind the "One Watt Initiative" to reduce stand-by power consumption to 1 watt or less.
Agreed. My CineSide goes to "sleep" mode when powered off. The Microprocessor running only consumes microamps though. The corresponding remote control's microprocessor consumes similary. On my test remote that I keep to test battery life, 2 AAA batteries don' t show any less voltage on them now compared to 2 unused ones checked the smae day since 2009. The wallwart losses from imply being plugged in would far out run the actual device usage (in my case).
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post #1040 of 1240
9/1/12 at 2:53am
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I wonder what the difference in power consumption is between On and Stand-by is for the various Radiance models?
I asked this a few months back and Jim was so nice to check. He posted the results here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1304556/official-lumagen-radiancemini-3d-thread/480#post_21887065

It's 12W standby for the XE-3D and 18W in "action".
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post #1041 of 1240
9/1/12 at 7:44am
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I will reprogram my startup process to turn on the oppo well after the Lumagen. I run both a pronto system and iPad iRule setup in parallel to control our dedicated HT. Maybe that will help. I personally like to turn things off if possible, but wasn't an issue before I upgraded the new oppo firmware. SJ

This seemed to solve my problem for now. I have my XE3D connected to a switched outlet on my power center which gets triggered to turn on in sequence. So, it is really OFF when not in use. SJ
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post #1042 of 1240
9/11/12 at 10:51am
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I have a Radiance XS-3D on the way, and am planning my HDMI distribution strategy. A couple of questions came up while planning the distribution, and I am looking for input, as I don't know if it can implement my first choice (Plan A). Plan A calls for the Radiance to drive both my projector in the Home Theater (HT) via Output 1 as well as the plasma in the Family Room (FR) via Output 2, occasionally at the same time. This would require the Radiance to perform HDMI Matrix switching, and send both audio and video to both HDMI outputs, as I have AVR's in both locations. I don't think this is possible, based on my brief look at the manual. If Plan A is not feasible, I will only use the Radiance to drive the projector in the HT.
The system is a little complicated, as I have four sources running through a 4x4 HDMI matrix switch, so I can send those sources to three separate locations in the house. The path for Plan A would be:
Source 1 (BDP) to Radiance XS-3D input 1 to the HT AVR input 1 to projector
Source 2 (Xbox 360) to Radiance XS-3D input 2 to the HT AVR input 2 to projector
Source 3 (Cable DVR) to HDMI 4x4 Matrix switch to Radiance XS-3D input 3 to either the HT AVR input 3 to projector via Output 1 or to the FR AVR via Output 2.
Source 4 (Network Media Player) to HDMI 4x4 Matrix switch to Radiance XS-3D input 3 to either the HT AVR input 3 to projector via Output 1 or to the FR AVR via Output 2.
Source 5 (Apple TV2) to HDMI 4x4 Matrix switch to Radiance XS-3D input 3 to either the HT AVR input 3 to projector via Output 1 or to the FR AVR via Output 2.
Source 6 (Satellite Receiver) to HDMI 4x4 Matrix switch to Radiance XS-3D input 3 to either the HT AVR input 3 to projector via Output 1 or to the FR AVR via Output 2.
Thanks for any input.
Mark

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In order to implement my desire to have the Radiance XS-3D distribute signals to both my HT and my family room systems, but not always at the same time, it requires I place an HDMI 3 x 1 or 4 x 1 switch after the Radiance. I want to ensure the switch I get will pass 3D and 1080p/24. This switch at Monoprice, appears to fit the bill:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=8462&seq=1&format=2
Here are the listed specifications:
3X1 Enhanced HDMI® Switch w/ Built-In Equalizer & Remote

Specifications
Maximum Video Resolution 1920x1080 (1080p)
Video Input 3x HDMI®
Video Output 1x HDMI® with HDCP and 3D support
Vertical Frequency Range 50/60Hz
Video Amplifier Bandwidth 250 MHz / 2.5 Gbps per channel
Supported Video Resolutions 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
Color Depth 12-bits per channel (36-bit total)
Supported 3D Formats 1080p @23.98/24 Hz, 720p @59.94/60/50 Hz, bandwidth up to 250 MHz
Supported Audio Formats LPCM, DTS® Digital, Dolby® Digital, DTS-HD Master Audio™, Dolby TrueHD™
Input Power Requirement 5V DC, 2A
Power Consumption 5 Watts
Operating Temperature 0°C to +70°C
Operating Humidity 10% to 85% RH (no condensation)
Storage Temperature -10°C to +80°C
Storage Humidity 5% to 90% RH (no condensation)
Dimensions 6 1/16" wide by 2 23/32" deep by 29/32" tall (1" including feet)
Weight 260 gm
I would appreciate any input.
Thanks.
Mark

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OK,
I am trying to get my head around how I am going to set up my Radiance XS-3D given all my sources and displays. So, I created a little document to help me in the process; see attached.
I have the Input memory resolution and output config memory and resolution assignments in the default configuration. The idea is that I will modify the particular cells as I make changes to the various parameters.
Any input on this document would be welcome.
Thanks.
Mark
Edit: Alot of changes to the document as my knowledge has increased while reading (and re-reading) the pertinent sections of the manual. I am now thinking that maybe I won't need to utilize all the input memories for the sources coming from my 4x4 HDMI switch, but we will see how they "behave" (EDID) when I get this all set up. I do have some anomalies with the RS-35 to account for, as noted in the last page of the document; this information was gleaned from Greg Rogers' review of the RS-35 in WSR circa 2010.

I have implemented my HDMI distribution plans whereby the Radiance XS3D is driving both the projector in my HT as well as the plasma in my Family Room. I have not proceeded too far into testing, but I am only getting a picture (no audio) in my family room when using all sources coming from an HDMI 4x4 matrix switch. Further, the picture has a bunch of pixelization and "snow" in it, and the Radiance and Receiver's GUI menus are the wrong color. Please note I have not tested in the HT yet, so I don't yet know if the same anomalies with these sources are present in that setup as well.

Here is a distribution map which results in issues with the affected sources:

Sources ---> HDMI 4 x 4 Matrix Switch ---> Radiance Input 1 ---> Radiance Output 1 ---> Darbee Darblet ---> HDMI 1 x 2 Splitter (powered) ---> HDMI 3 x 1 Switch ---> Denon AVR ---> Pioneer Plasma TV


The following distribution path (bypassing the Radiance, Darblet, and 1 x 2 splitter) results in no issues with the same sources:

Sources ---> HDMI 4 x 4 Matrix Switch ---> HDMI 3 x 1 Switch ---> Denon AVR ---> Pioneer Plasma TV


I have had success with the Darblet in the following distribution path, resulting in no issues with the same sources:

Sources ---> HDMI 4 x 4 Matrix Switch ---> Darbee Darblet ---> Denon AVR ---> Pioneer Plasma TV

I have attached my document again in case it helps makes sense of this complicated setup. It was late last night when I first tested it, and I had to hit the sack, so I could not test much. If you have any ideas if any settings on the Radiance might be causing the issue, please let me know. I realize that I need to test in the HT to see what is occurring there, and if the same issues exist, then start eliminating devices to see if there are any adverse interactions occurring.

Thanks.

Mark

Lumagen Radiance XS-3D Configuration.xlsx 50k .xlsx file
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post #1043 of 1240
9/11/12 at 11:34am
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Originally Posted by GetGray View Post

Mine always goes off. I never leave anything on that doesn't need to be. In my rack that means the TiVo, and MSC400. Everyone I know who has a Lumagen has it connected to a macro driven control system or remote controller and it goes on and off with everything else. I'm not having any issues there, but I'm behind on firmware, too.
GG -

Funny. Me too. I have a one button off on Middle Atlantic rack mounted system.
Also behind on my Lumagen FW updates (despite posting).

Mike
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post #1044 of 1240
9/13/12 at 5:51am
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

I have implemented my HDMI distribution plans whereby the Radiance XS3D is driving both the projector in my HT as well as the plasma in my Family Room. I have not proceeded too far into testing, but I am only getting a picture (no audio) in my family room when using all sources coming from an HDMI 4x4 matrix switch. Further, the picture has a bunch of pixelization and "snow" in it, and the Radiance and Receiver's GUI menus are the wrong color. Please note I have not tested in the HT yet, so I don't yet know if the same anomalies with these sources are present in that setup as well.
Here is a distribution map which results in issues with the affected sources:
Sources ---> HDMI 4 x 4 Matrix Switch ---> Radiance Input 1 ---> Radiance Output 1 ---> Darbee Darblet ---> HDMI 1 x 2 Splitter (powered) ---> HDMI 3 x 1 Switch ---> Denon AVR ---> Pioneer Plasma TV
The following distribution path (bypassing the Radiance, Darblet, and 1 x 2 splitter) results in no issues with the same sources:
Sources ---> HDMI 4 x 4 Matrix Switch ---> HDMI 3 x 1 Switch ---> Denon AVR ---> Pioneer Plasma TV
I have had success with the Darblet in the following distribution path, resulting in no issues with the same sources:
Sources ---> HDMI 4 x 4 Matrix Switch ---> Darbee Darblet ---> Denon AVR ---> Pioneer Plasma TV
I have attached my document again in case it helps makes sense of this complicated setup. It was late last night when I first tested it, and I had to hit the sack, so I could not test much. If you have any ideas if any settings on the Radiance might be causing the issue, please let me know. I realize that I need to test in the HT to see what is occurring there, and if the same issues exist, then start eliminating devices to see if there are any adverse interactions occurring.
Thanks.
Mark
Lumagen Radiance XS-3D Configuration.xlsx 50k .xlsx file

Apparently, all this needed was a couple of addtional equipment power cycles to work, as it just worked when tested again without having made any changes. I love HDMI! rolleyes.gif

Mark
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post #1045 of 1240
9/13/12 at 3:46pm
New Lumagen 125-point CMS (5x5x5 color cube)

The latest Radiance software adds a 125-point CMS color calibration.
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=updates

Calman and Chromapure will be posting new versions of their automatic calibration software with support for this new feature.

Randy Freeman
Lumagen
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9/13/12 at 4:07pm
oh boy! new toy! biggrin.gif
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post #1047 of 1240
9/13/12 at 4:17pm
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New Lumagen 125-point CMS (5x5x5 color cube)
The latest Radiance software adds a 125-point CMS color calibration.
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=updates
Calman and Chromapure will be posting new versions of their automatic calibration software with support for this new feature.
Randy Freeman
Lumagen

CalMAN Business 5.0.2 works already, we'll have a consumer version out shortly.
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9/13/12 at 4:20pm
Some first hand reports of how well the 125 point cube calibration works: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1427834/radiance-3d-lut-5x5x5-cube-calibration-with-calman-5/60#post_22400106

"It is by far (well the best my rs45 has ever looked, both regarding color accuracy and dimensionality/shadow detail." Manni
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9/16/12 at 10:19am
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New Lumagen 125-point CMS (5x5x5 color cube)
The latest Radiance software adds a 125-point CMS color calibration.
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=updates
Calman and Chromapure will be posting new versions of their automatic calibration software with support for this new feature.
Randy Freeman
Lumagen

I updated my firmware to the latest 090512. However after running a full 125 point calibration the menus do not indicate that I need to SAVE unless CALMAN is issuing the command? The firmware notes indicate this was fixed, but doesn't seen to be for me.... By the way, this feature is great! SJ
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9/16/12 at 5:56pm
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Originally Posted by rfpublic View Post

New Lumagen 125-point CMS (5x5x5 color cube)
The latest Radiance software adds a 125-point CMS color calibration.
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=updates
Calman and Chromapure will be posting new versions of their automatic calibration software with support for this new feature.
Randy Freeman
Lumagen

FYI: ChromaPure 2.3 was announced a few days ago and supports the new 125-point CMS colour calibration.

Kal
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