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post #1141 of 1347
All cables now going in the Correct Direction - last test - handshake problems currently at nil!
Jim recommended doing away with name brand and go with noname. Tried, and it was like taking the Darbee out of the equation - lack of detail, and colours were more muffled. Compromised - Name brand both ends - noname in the middle - all going in the right direction - detailing back, and full colour.!
post #1142 of 1347
Is there any way to setup an input before it is connected? i.e. In the MENU, how can I switch to a different input and put in all the right input/output setup correctly before I switch over to it?
I had some of the HDMI handshake issue that prevent me from seeing some of the inputs, but without going to that input and try different settings, i don't know what's going on. Any help?
post #1143 of 1347
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Is there any way to setup an input before it is connected? i.e. In the MENU, how can I switch to a different input and put in all the right input/output setup correctly before I switch over to it?
I had some of the HDMI handshake issue that prevent me from seeing some of the inputs, but without going to that input and try different settings, i don't know what's going on. Any help?
You could always unplug the input, switch to it and set up whatever you like, however there really aren't many settings that would prevent you from seeing an input. If you lose the picture when switching to a source it's likely you've got an hdmi cable issue (don't use any under 6ft), a problem with the source, or maybe you've inadvertently set something on the Radiance incorrectly like an output mode that your display doesn't like. If you switch to the source and lose the picture try pressing "menu 0998" which temporarily sets the Radiance to output 480p. If this gets your picture back, you can then pull up the Radiance menu and see what the output settings are and correct them.
post #1144 of 1347
I use Chromapure and auto calibrate with the mini. How do you set Chromapure to display that nice 125 point graph in the report? I have entered the Lumagen service menu and selected 125 point calibration. I've also selected the 125 point calibration in the Chromapure menu. When it completes it just shows me the 7 point graph.

Thanks for your help
post #1145 of 1347
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

All cables now going in the Correct Direction - last test - handshake problems currently at nil!
Jim recommended doing away with name brand and go with noname. Tried, and it was like taking the Darbee out of the equation - lack of detail, and colours were more muffled. Compromised - Name brand both ends - noname in the middle - all going in the right direction - detailing back, and full colour.!

??? Once again... HDMI cables have ZERO effect on image quality. For the image quality to be DIFFERENT, the 1s and 0s MUST be different. If there is no intelligence behind changing the 1s and 0s you simply get random crap. A "1" is always a "1"... there's no 0.998 or 1.00007... you get a 1 or you get a 0 period. I have 34 years of image quality analysis training and experience and I have high-end measurement equipment and there are ZERO measurement differences or visible differences between any 2 HDMI cables that are at least 6 feet long and have no engineering problems that cause excessive signal loss. The cable can even be poorly designed and 6 feet long as as long as the 1s and 0s can be decoded, there is no difference.

Let's say the the disc player sends 10101010 and this is a Red pixel. How does that pixel get "better" or "worse" when you change a cable? You are assigning old analog signal transmission issues (which were very real) to the digital domain where you can have a VERY crappy signal and still retrieve 10101010 with absolute perfection. The cable cannot change the 10101010 in ANY way. In plasma TVs, that 10101010 addresses some specific red pixel DIRECTLY. In LCD displays, the 10101010 is converted to analog just prior to display... IN THE LCD panel, well after the HDMI cable is "done" with the data. Digital addressing of LCD pixels is coming, though, Sony's 4K projector has the pixels addressed digitally without the analog conversion. Furthermore, the bits traveling on the HDMI cable are all mixed up... they don't even travel together... they are encrypted and have to be de-crypted and re-assembled in the video display... way after the HDMI cable is done with them. So think of the data on the HDMI cable as having been whipped up in a food processor, squirted through the cable, and another food processor inside the TV operating in the reverse direction unscrambles and reassembles the "food" (data in our case) making it "whole" again. Thinking that the "quality" or "directionality" of the HDMI cable can affect that process in any way is nothing but wishful thinking. All the bits then go into a big buffer and sit there doing nothing (for a long time in digital terms) waiting for their frame's turn to be displayed. Those pixels sitting still in the buffer can't be "better" or "worse" they are just 1s and 0s that determine how bright each red, green and blue pixel should be. And the pixels themselves are far removed from the HDMI cable by that time (in terms of time in the digital domain).

And the ability of the direction of the printing on the HDMI cable affecting anything... impossible. Again, that's an old analog concept that has no application in digital video (though it WAS an important effect in analog audio cables, though the direction of printing was meaningless, what had meaning was the marking the manufacturer put on the cable after testing each spool of wire for measurable directional effects (you can measure that over 1000 feet or more of wire while it is still on the spool).

A cable cannot make 10101010 or any other combination of 1s and 0s "better" and in digital video, the only way to change the image is to change the 1s and 0s. A very "noisy" 1 while it is transmitted by a cable, becomes a perfectly pristine 1 in every possible way once it is retrieved from the video signal on the HDMI cable. You can't polish the 1, or detail it, or to anything to make it be a "better" 1. And once the 1s and 0s are decoded from the signal transmitted over the HDMI cable, the cable is out of the picture... entirely and literally. The TV processes the pixels for display and it doesn't care if the 1 it decoded was "dirty" or "clean" when it came out of the HDMI cable... as long as it could be recognized as a 1 (or 0), the image will be identical over any number of different cables.

You are experiencing the power of suggestion and nothing else. It is VERY powerful. But there is simply no mechanism to explain how an HDMI cable changes image quality -- there are only 3 possibilities... 1) perfect transmission of 1s and 0s; 2) high levels of signal loss resulting in improperly decoded pixels on the receiving end causing something called sparklies because randomly wrong pixels appear all over the screen... some too dark, some too light... completely random. and 3) the signal is so messed up, the 1s and 0s cannot be decoded into 8-bit words so the data is useless. Those are the only 3 conditions that can exist and #2 exists only within a very narrow "window" between the signal being fine and the signal being too messed-up to decode.

I've been looking for differences in HD images caused by different HDMI cables since 2006 and I STILL can't find anything visible or measurable. I started out assuming there were differences and have convinced myself over time with many measurements and many subjective evaluations that there are NO differences - Ever.

[Added Dec 26, 2012]
By the way... cable companies have been admitting that their HDMI cables do nothing for video image quality as they begin to investigate what is going on. Initially when they first produce HDMI cables, they talk about significant video image quality improvements, but 6 or 12 months later when I have inquired if they have changed their minds, they have been agreeing that their cables don't affect video image quality. It's a credibility thing. They know if they make unsubstantiatable claims and are called-out for it, the rest of their product line could lose favor with enthusiasts. One manufacturer decided not to make HDMI cables after their prototypes failed to produce visible changes in image quality. So even cable manufacturers are getting on-board with their HDMI cables not being a factor in digital video image quality.
Edited by Doug Blackburn - 12/26/12 at 9:10am
post #1146 of 1347
Installed an 8' HDMI cable to the OPPO 93 since it was giving the most problems, and a 6' to the Sony 790 - this has helped minimize the handshake problems.
Now working on as to why when I pause on one of the players during a Special Feature SD Video, (No Problems with HD) and transfer to watch my Evening News, that the News video goes wonky, chopping off the tops of the Newscasters heads! To fix, had to unplug the XE and restart. Until I can resolve this issue: no longer Pause, but Stop, then have to do a search when I go back to the player. (Unless I get lucky with that particular Blu-ray, and it gives me a Resume Message.)
Edited by p5browne - 12/25/12 at 8:00am
post #1147 of 1347
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

Installed an 8' HDMI cable to the OPPO 93 since it was giving the most problems, and a 6' to the Sony 790 - this has helped minimize the handshake problems.
Now working on as to why when I pause on one of the players during a Special Feature SD Video, (No Problems with HD) and transfer to watch my Evening News, that the News video goes wonky, chopping off the tops of the Newscasters heads! To fix, had to unplug the XE and restart. Until I can resolve this issue: no longer Pause, but Stop, then have to do a search when I go back to the player. (Unless I get lucky with that particular Blu-ray, and it gives me a Resume Message.)

If you're using a STB to get your evening news, this may be due to how it's set. Although both sources are SD, it appears that their output formats (16X9, 4X3, letterbox, zoom, stretch, etc.) may be different, and this is causing a problem with the Radiance, which is triggering on the input resolution, not its format.
post #1148 of 1347
What are people using to set Colour Value on the XE?
I find the Colour Pattern included, with the Blue on one side and White on the other, hard to verify they are looking alike once Blue Filter is applied.

Report back from Jim was that with 125 Point, this does need to be calibrated, so I guess you set the value Mid Point. If your Panel gives weird readings, then you may want to try setting the Colour to the Best setting possible before starting.
Edited by p5browne - 12/27/12 at 8:54pm
post #1149 of 1347
Question on Input naming.
I know you can go to HDMI Setup and then label, and put a name there. Now, that will show up on the lower left hand corner when I do info.
However, I am stuck as to what shows up when I pressed "Input". Given I can label different name for same input (for different memory), how does the name on the "input screen" determine what names to choose? For example, I think in one case, I have name my HDMI1 to be Oppo.TV (for memory D), and then Disc (for memory A which is used for my PJ). The "Input screen" seems to like my "Disc" better (maybe alphabetica order??), but I can't change it in that screen.

So, what's the logic behind the "input select naming", and how do I change that?

thanks.
post #1150 of 1347
What HDMI settings are folks using between a XE3D and OPPO players? I have a 105 and always have some general handshake issues. Once things get synced everything is fine. I often pull up the INFO screen on the XE and it shows the source with HDCP off and both outputs on. If I turn the XE to standby and power on, it shows ON. SJ
post #1151 of 1347
The issues seems to be that if HDCP gets turned off for any source for whatever reason and I switched to the OPPO, then the XE3D continues to show HDCP for that input as being off. It doesn't turn back on until I turn the XE to standby and back on again. Any other way to force it back on or receive the correct info from the source to do this?
post #1152 of 1347
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Originally Posted by SJHT View Post

The issues seems to be that if HDCP gets turned off for any source for whatever reason and I switched to the OPPO, then the XE3D continues to show HDCP for that input as being off. It doesn't turn back on until I turn the XE to standby and back on again. Any other way to force it back on or receive the correct info from the source to do this?

Under Input> HDMI setup turn Hotplug ON if you haven't done so. Save the settings, put XE in standby and turn back on. See if that fixes your problem. I currently have a 103 and had a 83 before. Never had a problem including when I use component as the input for my Tivo STB. HDCP on input is turned off with component. This is with a XD. Also, if preceding doesn't fix your problem, download and install the latest firmware. There was an issue with HDMI 1 input back in October. Good luck
post #1153 of 1347
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Originally Posted by SJHT View Post

What HDMI settings are folks using between a XE3D and OPPO players? I have a 105 and always have some general handshake issues. Once things get synced everything is fine. I often pull up the INFO screen on the XE and it shows the source with HDCP off and both outputs on. If I turn the XE to standby and power on, it shows ON. SJ

Had terrible handshake problems with my OPPO 93 with firstly my iScan Duo, now with the XE. Have now put an 8' HDMI cable on the OPPO, and this resolved my issues. The Sony 790, very little of the handshake issues, but put a 6' HDMI cable on it just to be safe. The XE seems more sensitive to handshake problems than the iScan Duo - but then again, the Duo currently can't do the 125 Point 3D LUT!

Last night, put the OPPO on Pause, switched to my Evening News, then returned to the OPPO an hour later. Took off the pause and a way it went. No funny screens, no crashing out, just continued on from where I left off. Now then, was on LPCM since the Blu-ray I was playing wouldn't work on Bitstream. Will have to re-try this when I go back to Bitstream.
Edited by p5browne - 1/3/13 at 1:37pm
post #1154 of 1347
Thanks for the suggestions. The strange thing is that once HDCP gets turned off for a particular source, it won't come back on when I switch to another source unless I turn the XE to standby and then back on. Both outputs continue to show HDCP as being on. I am on the latest firmware. SJ
post #1155 of 1347
^^^
Try using the Oppo's HDMI 2 output. The QDEO video processing associated with the Oppo's HDMI 1 output seems to cause intermittant HDCP handshake issues, especially in 3D mode. It's better to bypass that VP, set the Oppo to "Source Direct", and let the Radiance do the processing.
post #1156 of 1347
Thanks. I'm using source direct anyway so I will try that. Hotplug on seems to also help. Still seems to be an issue if I switch to the Oppo input with HDCP set to off with the previous source. SJ
post #1157 of 1347
8' HDMI cable solved my OPPO Handshake Problems

Has anyone had a problem with #1 Wife #2 Using Lumagen Remote?
Thought my Remote had shorted out tonight, when none of the PBs would work, and the batteries would drain out.
When I got into better light, found, in my wife's attempt to get to Video 15 Input, she managed to jam the Input, 10+ and 7 keys under the Remotes top cover. Once unjammed, and fresh batteries installed, XE up and running again. (After swapping out for for an iScan Duo and getting that setup and working, then swapping back to the XE.)
Told me she much preferred the One PB for Video 3 on the Duo. Also thought the Duo a better quality Remote. Have ordered an extra Lumagen Remote in case she does a much better job of incapacitating the Remote next time!

Was suggested to use a Harmony Remote for the XE - after spending all last night, still working on it! Any easy instructions anywhere?

TV picture size keeps going out of whack and I spend the next half hour trying to get it back, then realize that I'd sat on the Remote, and it's simply a case of pushing the 16:9 button! Duhh! Have also found, with the wife's frustration of trying to use the Remote (and I even have a Green Sticky on it with Instructions), she somehow takes the 16:9 to another setting?

The New Calman 5.1, along with the Radiance is bringing out a PQ performance out of my set I'd never thought possible! Thanks Spectracal - things continue to get better as your programming does!
Edited by p5browne - 2/26/13 at 9:02am
post #1158 of 1347
Hey guys, I've got a really stupid question, how do you install the rack ears on an XE? I've got my new XE here and my new rack, but there don't appear to be any holes on the side for the ears to screw into.
post #1159 of 1347
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Originally Posted by stanger89 View Post

Hey guys, I've got a really stupid question, how do you install the rack ears on an XE? I've got my new XE here and my new rack, but there don't appear to be any holes on the side for the ears to screw into.
You remove the existing cover screws and replace with supplied replacement screws through the ears into the case.
post #1160 of 1347
Sweet, thanks. I didn't see anything in the manual and didn't want to go "disassembling things unnecessarily biggrin.gif
post #1161 of 1347
PRESS ANNOUNCEMENT
For Immediate Release

Lumagen® announces the first Radiance™ Video Processor with integrated Darbee Visual Presence™ Technology

Beaverton Oregon, March 4, 2013 – Today, Lumagen® announced the availability of the first Radiance™ video processor with integrated Darbee Visual Presence™ (DVP™) technology. The Radiance 2021™ includes all the video calibration and setup features of the award winning Radiance product line, with the addition of DVP™ technology.

Lumagen’s president Jim Peterson stated, “Darbee Visual Presence is a great fit for our video processor product line, which includes the CEA™ 2010 Platinum award winner for Video Product of the Year, the RadianceXE™. We are always working to improve the video quality available to our customers and see Darbee as a great way to add value to our products."

Larry Pace, DarbeeVision’s President, stated “Lumagen’s award winning products have consistently earned a reputation for enabling a superior video entertainment experience. Their very popular Radiance video processor line delivers cutting edge technologies, making them a natural fit to partner with DarbeeVision. DarbeeVision's proprietary technology takes video images to the next level of reality for the home theater. Darbee uses a unique and patented approach to deliver extremely lifelike images that make the original image seem dull and flat by comparison, and so is a fitting addition to the Lumagen Radiance product line.”

The Radiance 2021 supports four HDMI inputs, plus two HDMI outputs and a COAX audio output, in a 17 inch “1U” rack mountable case. Similar in input and output capability to the RadianceXS-3D, the Radiance 2021, by eliminating analog video inputs, is a nod to the all-digital theater that is becoming common in the industry. It supports input and output rates of up to 1080p60. The Radiance 2021 includes all the calibration, setup and processing features of the industry leading RadianceXS-3D video processor, such as 125-point linear-Gamma RGB color palette CMS, 21-point parametric gray-scale and Gamma, a host of setup features, Lumagen’s industry leading No-Ring™ scaling technology, and support for 3D scaling and conversion between 3D formats for displays and projectors that do not support all the common 3D formats. The Radiance 2021 has a USA suggested retail price of $2795.

The Radiance Altera® Field Programmable Gate Array (FPGA) based architecture has maintained its industry leading position due to its ability to add new architectural features in the field, long after purchase, by updating the FPGA program. The Altera Cyclone II™ FPGA allowed Radiance products to introduce frequent software updates that have included a number of hardware algorithm improvements. Among these are 3D scaling and calibration, and the new 125-point Linear-Gamma RGB CMS. The Radiance 2021 is the next step forward in this architecture. By using the Altera Stratix III™ technology to increase both performance and available FPGA resources Lumagen was able to add the DVP™ technology to the Radiance 2021, while maintaining all current RadianceXS-3D video processing features.

About Lumagen
Lumagen provides solutions for video switching, calibration, processing and scaling. Together these features allow knowledgeable integrators and enthusiasts to enable the best quality, and most accurate, video images available. Lumagen is a privately held video systems product company founded in September of 2001. It is headquartered in Beaverton, Oregon, USA. For further information email sales@lumagen.com, call 503-574-2211, or visit www.lumagen.com.

About DarbeeVision
DarbeeVision Inc. was founded by Paul Darbee and Larry Pace to commercialize system products, discrete hardware, and embedded solutions based on Darbee Visual Presence Technology. DarbeeVision is offering its Darbee Visual Presence technology for consumer electronics product integrations. The privately held company is headquartered in Santa Ana, California, USA. For information call 657-600-8241, email info@darbeevision.com, or visit www.DarbeeVision.com.

# # #

Lumagen is a registered trademark, and Radiance is a trademark, of Lumagen, Inc. Darbee™ and DarbeeVision™ are trademarks of DarbeeVision Inc. Other trademarks are the property of their respective owners.
post #1162 of 1347
Jim, great news - thanks !

Some obvious questions of course:

- no 4K support yet on the 2021 ? Are we looking at an even bigger unit later on this year ?
- is the 2021 based on the same Gennum deinterlacing and the same Lumagen scaling engine as the previous Radiance units* ?
- firmware updates and control still through RS232 only or will a USB connection be available ?

Thanks!


(* what I'm getting at is the processing chain of deinterlacing / postprocessing & sharpening / scaling. So scaling is still last with sharpening of SD sources happening on deinterlaced, but unscaled content ?)
post #1163 of 1347
The 2021 is not a 4K device. there will be a 4K device...and there will of course be the super scaler with 4K in as well as out.
The 2021 is based on current Radiance so it has genum/sigma for de-interlacing etc.
SERIAL connector for firmware and control, no USB.
post #1164 of 1347
Does is have PIP/POP or not included as with the XS? SJ
post #1165 of 1347
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Originally Posted by SJHT View Post

Does is have PIP/POP or not included as with the XS? SJ

XS doesn't have pip or pop and neither does this unit
post #1166 of 1347
A couple of pictures of the new Radiance 2021:

Radiance2021_front.jpg

Radiance2021_back.jpg

(Higher quality pictures forthcoming!)

Kal
post #1167 of 1347
Nice, good luck JIm
post #1168 of 1347
I'm still waiting for them to add Soft edge blending to one of their units. Please please please!!! Maybe on the Pro ehh? wink.gif


Aslo have you got to adding the ability for the second output to not have changes made on output 1. That is make it a pass through of the selected input?

I want to be able to daisy chain my two XS's so one will be the switcher in my Blend set up.

Id like to eliminate the splitter I use now, and that limits me to only HDMI sources.

Athanasios
Edited by nashou66 - 3/4/13 at 3:09pm
post #1169 of 1347
Awe man.... I just replaced my old demo unit with a new XS. Pulled the trigger too soon frown.gif
post #1170 of 1347

I now have a Mini and a Darblet.    Would be nice having them in one unit, but I think I'll wait for the 4K unit before I upgrade.

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