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post #121 of 1236
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Originally Posted by Dave G View Post

Yeah... Mike's the first, but I'm anticipating a growing chorus of Radiance users asking for bar detection instead of relying on the flag . I'm wondering if it's been done successfully before?

Dave -

I picked up brats, burgers, and 3 types of New Glarus beer for you.
Let's test it out tomorrow.



Mike
post #122 of 1236
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Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

Dave -

I picked up brats, burgers, and 3 types of New Glarus beer for you.
Let's test it out tomorrow.



Mike

Excellent! Looking forward to it
post #123 of 1236
Just downloaded the latest software with aspect ratio detection, what would be really great if it could be tied into a trigger output, and also various pre-sets in a seperate projector...
post #124 of 1236
Thread Starter 
The trigger can be set to 'on when 2.35 AR' or 'on when 4/3 AR'. I'm assuming this works with the auto AR detection.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'various presets in a separate projector'.
post #125 of 1236
If the Radiance could somehow send RS-232 controls to a seperate projector for pre-sets in the projector memory.

Fot instance my projector preset A is screen up, 1.78 Aspect memory for ILS lens system....
post #126 of 1236
Lon:

I don't know what control system you use, but the URC MSC-400 will monitor a trigger output. I am pretty sure you can program it to issue RS232 commands based on the state/change of the trigger.

Scott
post #127 of 1236
Hi Scott:

I am using a AMX Phast Landmark system

What is a URC MSC-400
post #128 of 1236
Gadzooks.
I blink my eyes and there is another Radiance production FW update (at least for the XE).
Gotta upgrade again.


Mike

EDIT:
RadianceXD Link

Production 070309- Bugfix for new auto aspect feature not always getting the correct initial setting from the source.


Interesting...a bunch of FW updates on the XD site say "Production" but on the XE (beta) site are "Beta" (with the last two listed as Production).
post #129 of 1236
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Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

Interesting...a bunch of FW updates on the XD site say "Production" but on the XE (beta) site are "Beta" (with the last two listed as Production).

I wouldn't read anything into that. It's just a mistake/inconsistency.
post #130 of 1236
Any thoughts on how the auto detect AR will work on movies like TDK? I'm assuming it will shift back and forth throuth the film?
post #131 of 1236
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Originally Posted by alexsquared View Post

Any thoughts on how the auto detect AR will work on movies like TDK? I'm assuming it will shift back and forth throuth the film?

Hmm...

I have it.
I should test it, but too late tonight...
Anyone else have reports on the auto detect?

Mike


EDIT - 7/22/09
Anyone have a list of time stamps for the aspect ratio (AR) changes in The Dark Knight (TDK)?
I tried searching AVS and some specific threads, but I couldn't find them.
I watched part of TDK last night as I was doing some audio calibrating, but didn't notice or view the right areas (??) to pick up on the variable AR transitions +/- auto detection from Lumagen.
post #132 of 1236
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Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

Hmm...

I have it.
I should test it, but too late tonight...
Anyone else have reports on the auto detect?

Mike


EDIT - 7/22/09
Anyone have a list of time stamps for the aspect ratio (AR) changes in The Dark Knight (TDK)?
I tried searching AVS and some specific threads, but I couldn't find them.
I watched part of TDK last night as I was doing some audio calibrating, but didn't notice or view the right areas (??) to pick up on the variable AR transitions +/- auto detection from Lumagen.

I don't know the time stamps, but i believe right at the beginning, it is wide open as it's panning in over the city, and then cuts to 2.35:1. I believe one of the best resources to ask about time stamps would be Josh Zyber (member Josh Z). Curious to see what you find.
Thanks.
post #133 of 1236
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New firmware is up, and again - new functionality! This time, output modes auto detect. I'm not entirely clear on it works, but I think it just tries to find a match by reading your current output config and comparing it to what the display on one output is sending (EDID). If there is no match then it tries the other output. I think - haven't tried it.

Direct download link
post #134 of 1236
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Originally Posted by Dave G View Post

New firmware is up, and again - new functionality! This time, output modes auto detect. I'm not entirely clear on it works, but I think it just tries to find a match by reading your current output config and comparing it to what the display on one output is sending (EDID). If there is no match then it tries the other output. I think - haven't tried it.

Direct download link

Dave -

If you can, would you please expand on what this means?


Also, I noted that the XE FW update link is now online (not hidden):
Support page
XE link

Cool.



Mike
post #135 of 1236
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Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

Dave -

If you can, would you please expand on what this means?


Also, I noted that the XE FW update link is now online (not hidden):
Support page
XE link

Cool.



Mike


Production 071309- Added new automatic display mode for output. This mode will configure your output based on information read from the display. The 2 automatic modes are called "auto_p1" and "auto_p2". Since there are 2 output ports you can choose which one is given priority for setting the mode, so with "auto_p1", output1 is checked first for a valid mode, then output 2, and if neither has a valid mode then 480p is used.

Mike: This is used to read from the display its supported resolutions and Refresh Rates (htz).


Example:

Lumagen will receive information from the JVC RS20 that it supports

480i

480P

720P

1080i

1080P

24htz

60htz

Things of this nature. You already have yours locked to output: 1080P 24htz and 60htz. This is a better situation as the lumagen doesn't have to poll for this information and predict the best output mode.
post #136 of 1236
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Originally Posted by alexsquared View Post

I don't know the time stamps, but i believe right at the beginning, it is wide open as it's panning in over the city, and then cuts to 2.35:1. I believe one of the best resources to ask about time stamps would be Josh Zyber (member Josh Z). Curious to see what you find.
Thanks.

Alex -
Thanks.

I updated FW to 07013 for the XE.
As I posted above, I'm not exactly sure how the AR autodetection is supposed to work.

With that and looking at the opening sequence of The Dark Knight (TDK):

Lumagen does NOT auto-detect the 16:9 -> 2.35 transition from opening cityscape to 2.35:1 portion of movie.

So, when I manually set Lumagen:
16:9
- full height for "Imax" sequence,
- but upper/lower black bars for 2.35:1

2.35:1
- cut off top/bottom for "Imax" sequence,
- full height for 2.35:1


Since I just did FW update, I haven't played with other movies and possible autodetection.

Other thoughts...

Mike
post #137 of 1236
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

Production 071309- Added new automatic display mode for output. This mode will configure your output based on information read from the display. The 2 automatic modes are called "auto_p1" and "auto_p2". Since there are 2 output ports you can choose which one is given priority for setting the mode, so with "auto_p1", output1 is checked first for a valid mode, then output 2, and if neither has a valid mode then 480p is used.

Mike: This is used to read from the display its supported resolutions and Refresh Rates (htz).


Example:

Lumagen will receive information from the JVC RS20 that it supports

480i

480P

720P

1080i

1080P

24htz

60htz

Things of this nature. You already have yours locked to output: 1080P 24htz and 60htz. This is a better situation as the lumagen doesn't have to poll for this information and predict the best output mode.

SOWK -

Thanks.
So for me it doesn't matter.
So, the design is not to auto-detect the movie aspect ratio (AR) and adjust the output (eg 16:9 or 2.35:1) based on the movie selected?


And...

I guess the way to watch The Dark Knight (TDK) is in 16:9 format and accept the 2.35:1 scenes upper/lower black bars -- otherwise you miss the "Imax" scene jump in size.
Not to mention trying to adapt the masking...


Mike
post #138 of 1236
Not unless there was a separate firmware update for auto detection of aspect ratios in films.

The firmware information I posted from Lumagen's site has nothing to do with auto detection of aspect ratio's in films.

It Polls your connected display(s) for its avail modes and the lumagen will set it's output to match. If it can not detect any display/or compatible mode on output 1 or 2 it will automatically output 480P.
post #139 of 1236
Thread Starter 
New firmware is up, fixes audio issues with some processors (Meridian and McIntosh). Direct download links:

XD firmware (072209)
XE firmware (072209)
post #140 of 1236
Thread Starter 
Added the XE firmware and links to the first post, but I can't change the overall title of the thread. If a mod is reading this...
post #141 of 1236
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Ok, just added the XE links AGAIN. Did I not hit Save last time? Hmmm.
post #142 of 1236
By the way Dave thanks for coming over and giving the projector and the Lumagen the once over.
post #143 of 1236
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Originally Posted by funlvr1965 View Post

By the way Dave thanks for coming over and giving the projector and the Lumagen the once over.

I didn't do much this time around The Planar is pretty spot on out of the box...
post #144 of 1236
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Originally Posted by Dave G View Post

I didn't do much this time around The Planar is pretty spot on out of the box...

It was good to see you again anyway, oh by the way I have the Oppo bluray doing 444 out of the player and out of the Lumagen, recommendations of Kris Deering, I will let you how that goes once I get a few flicks going
post #145 of 1236
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Originally Posted by funlvr1965 View Post

It was good to see you again anyway, oh by the way I have the Oppo bluray doing 444 out of the player and out of the Lumagen, recommendations of Kris Deering, I will let you how that goes once I get a few flicks going

Wayne -

FYI.

In the Oppo 83 thread Craig Rounds recommended 4:2:2.
See his explanation -- link.

Enjoy.

Mike
post #146 of 1236
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Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

Wayne -

FYI.

In the Oppo 83 thread Craig Rounds recommended 4:2:2.
See his explanation -- link.

Enjoy.

Mike


Dont know how to post the link to his post directly but her'es what Kris Deering writes

"If you send the Planar 4:4:4 and you don't have the enhanced sharpness feature turned on AND the Planar isn't do any de-interlacing, it does a pure passthrough and full 13 bit resolution at the panel drivers. This is the ideal and with the Oppo you have the perfect situation going. So yes, you should be delivering 4:4:4 if at all possible."
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post #147 of 1236
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Dont know how to post the link to his post directly but her'es what Kris Deering writes

"If you send the Planar 4:4:4 and you don't have the enhanced sharpness feature turned on AND the Planar isn't do any de-interlacing, it does a pure passthrough and full 13 bit resolution at the panel drivers. This is the ideal and with the Oppo you have the perfect situation going. So yes, you should be delivering 4:4:4 if at all possible."
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Hmm, I'm not sure what the color format would have to do with deinterlacing, but don't forget that your XE is sitting between the Oppo and the Planar. It sounds like Kris was speaking as if the Oppo's feed would go directly into the Planar.

The XE will introduce additional conversions regardless, so you want to give it the signal closest to what's on the disc, and Mike is right - that would be 4:2:2. You should set the Oppo to output 4:2:2 for sure, regardless of whether you're watching DVD or BD.

However you can set the output format from the XE to the Planar as 4:4:4;

Menu->Output->Configs->(select active configuration, presumably Config0)->HDMI Format->Type - select 444.

Don't forget to save.
post #148 of 1236
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Originally Posted by Dave G View Post

Hmm, I'm not sure what the color format would have to do with deinterlacing, but don't forget that your XE is sitting between the Oppo and the Planar. It sounds like Kris was speaking as if the Oppo's feed would go directly into the Planar.

The XE will introduce additional conversions regardless, so you want to give it the signal closest to what's on the disc, and Mike is right - that would be 4:2:2. You should set the Oppo to output 4:2:2 for sure, regardless of whether you're watching DVD or BD.

However you can set the output format from the XE to the Planar as 4:4:4;

Menu->Output->Configs->(select active configuration, presumably Config0)->HDMI Format->Type - select 444.

Don't forget to save.

Dave -

Thank you for clarifying.
I'm not smart enough to know what is the right thing to do, but I do know whom to link/reference.

Wayne, does that make sense?

4:2:2 for Oppo -> Radiance -> projector
4:4:4 for Oppo -> projector (no Radiance)

Mike
post #149 of 1236
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Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

Dave -

Thank you for clarifying.
I'm not smart enough to know what is the right thing to do, but I do know whom to link/reference.

Wayne, does that make sense?

4:2:2 for Oppo -> Radiance -> projector
4:4:4 for Oppo -> projector (no Radiance)

Mike

In a way it does, seems like the lumagen is the deciding factor as to which I use, without the lumagen its 444 with the lumagen 422. In other news I dont think anyone really cares except you Mike but since the room is done and youv'e been dogging me for pics here are a couple
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