Official RadianceXD support thread - Page 13

Well...we actually like people that don't know how to play cards.

Thanks for the info.
I'll try to program it in.
Remember, I'm not very bright about this, so how does it help the video image?

Thanks,

Mike

Man, it's like another Christmas for me! It's days like these that I'm glad I switched to Lumagen from DVDO. Owners of DVDO's newer gear are still waiting for features that it's already spec'd to do - and here we are getting extra goodies on a regular basis, for free!

Dave -

Thanks for the "how to" and explanation.
I made the change, but haven't had the chance to A/B to look at any differences.
BTW - I was out first in our Texas Holdem' game.

Mike

Some HD material like the Fifth Element who are 1080 x 1920 24Hz p, do have black areas at the top and the bottom. With cropping them away (Input > .) I was able to reduce the active size to 817 x 1920 and increase the frequency to 72 Hz respecting the max acceptable clock. See my posting here. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post18046786

Some other HD material like the Fall are also 1080 x 1920 24HZ p, but need the full high of 1080p as active size. So I should not crop top and bottom. And as a result of this only 1080 x 1920 p at 48 Hz p is acceptable with not overshooting the clock.

What is the correct concept of assigning this two different crop settings ? And how do I link the corresponding output configuration for them? Physical Input is always the same player (Oppo, source direct)

@Doug:
1 question:
It's better calibrate KRP + Radiance in a "ISF" bank or in a "AV pure" bank ?
I think in a "ISF" ,becouse have best overall performance than the av selection,right?

If you want access to user menu settings on the KRP, use Pure mode. If you don't care if the user menu controls are disabled, you can use an ISF mode.

Pioneer has said repeatedly that Pure mode disables the most (probably unwanted) processing and that the ISF modes do the same thing re. the processing steps that are disabled.

You can use different memories for this purpose. There are 4 memories, A-D, for each input resolution type. If that's not enough and you have unused HDMI inputs you can use the unused inputs memories as "virtual" memories for the input of interest. If you needed a different output config for this different cropping it's also in the input menu under Input:Video Setup:RES:Out1 or Out2 Select. This selects the output config for a given input resolution and memory.

Thakns Doug ,i prefer ISF beacouse have deeper black and more lumens than other AV selection.

Steven, why do you think the ISF mode is "blacker" - I see no evidence of that - panels have a "native" black level that does not change in different modes. The only time the Kuro panels get darker than their native black level is when you leave an all black screen on the display for some period of time, in that case, after a time-out (30 seconds or 15 seconds or something like that) Pioneer turns the panel off completely and the black is just as black as when the panel is turned off - but you never see that "total blackness" in any image. As for "more lumens" - you probably mean more foot-lamberts - it's just not necessary for viewing movies or TV in a dark room. In fact, making the picture brighter than Pure mode allows in a dark room will cause squinting and/or eye-strain because the screen will be too bright for comfortable viewing in a dark room. If you want more screen brightness for viewing with daylight in the room, ISF mode is completely unnecessary as the light coming into the room "de-calibrates" the TV anyway. There's no real benefit from using ISF-Day or Optimum or even Standard mode with daylight in the room because the daylight changes color constantly during the day and because the daylight make calibration impossible.

The ISF modes may "sound good" on paper, in real-world viewing, they don't really do anything very helpful, except give you modes that block out all the user menu settings so that other family members can mess with your calibrated settings.

So doug there is no difference to calibrate kuro with radiance between AV pure and ISF?

Thank you Patrick, works fine with unsing Mem A and Mem B for different cropping

Maybe a psychological improvement, but nothing measurable... unless you want a brighter Pure mode for a room with light coming in windows... but as I mentioned, when light comes in the windows, the light "de-calibrates" any video display and because the light changes all day and as clouds come and go, the way the TV is "de-calibrated" changes constantly also. So you can't really compensate for that. So it really doesn't matter much what mode you are in if there's light in the room - all of them will be de-calibrated in many ways by the light.

Are there any plans on the drawing board to add DSD passthru to the XE? I guess the real question is whether the conversion process from DSD>PCM is difficult, whether sending DSD would avoid any possible jitter, and whether my Pio SC-07 would do a better job than my Oppo 83. I have to admit, it does look pretty cool when the DSD>PCM text lights up and it says "SACD" on the SC-07's display

Now that I have an XE in my system, I'm thinking it would be nice to have this feature. I know it was pretty low on the list a while ago, but I'm hoping it's maybe moved up a bit?

I upgraded to the latest FW:

Production 021410- Bugfix with new Pop command when zooming on main window.

Production 021310- Bugfix for bug in 021210 revision that with Pip and certain source combinations could cause a video source to be lost until switching to another input and back. Bugfix for output mask command when used on inactive output configurations.

Production 021210- Adds Pop (picture-outside of-picture) to the already implemented Pip command. The 'Pip Setup' command is now called 'Pip/Pop Setup' and is located under the 'Other' menu. The new 'Pip/Pop Setup' command now has a 'Type' option where you can select 'Pip', 'PopL' or 'PopR'. 'PopL' stands for 'Pop Left' so the secondary video window will be to the left of the main video screen. 'PopR' is for the secondary video window to be placed on the right. For Pop you can vertically orient the side-by-side screens to be at the top, centered or bottom of the picture and adjust the y position from there. Also some small improvements to Pip in this update.

I used two HDMI sources and did POPL, Center, Image size = 50.
The pic is enclosed.


(sorry, poor iPhone pic)

It looks like you can't have both side by side images at 100% height?
Is that a limitation of bandwidth or will it be fixed in a later FW iteration?

Thanks,

Mike

No, not a bandwidth issue. Just the first iteration of Pop functionality.

Patrick -

Thank you for the fast response.
So, further FW updates should allow full height side-by-side POP images?
Great!
That will be cool.

Mike

We're planning on it...

Thanks.

After the latest FW, the following happened:

- played Wall-E from Oppo 83 -> Lumagen RadianceXE -> HDMI output to AVR (Denon 5308CI) and HDMI output to JVC RS20.

- the Wall-E menu and initial part of the movie had sound and then it stopped!

I tried forcing an HDMI handshake by switching on/off or changing inputs on the devices.
When I went back to BR menu there was sound (so, suggesting no problem with cable) but the movie was silent.

Weird.

Anyone else have anything like this happen?
I'll re-test today.

Mike

I tried the same thing with another BR this morning and same problem -- menu has audio and video, but the main part of BR has video only.

Other Radiance inputs for Oppo DVD and HDTV from cable work normally.

Any suggestions, or do a FW force backdate?



Mike

PS - I didn't change any Oppo BDP-83 settings, so only change was RadianceXE FW update...

Go back to 012510 or earlier if you want to bitstream. In the meantime, PCM works fine. I have fired off an e-mail to support, and I am sure they will have it fixed soon.

Thanks!

I had tried flipping HDMI Audio formats in the Oppo to troubleshoot from:
Auto->LPCM->Bitsteam

...but must not have left it at LPCM long enough.

LPCM works.

Thanks for the input.
Glad to have that working again.
Hopefully this small bug will get fixed.
It was a surprise/annoyance though.

Mike

This was posted over in the XE/XS vs DUO thread:


I've underlined the areas of interest. Is this true, that the manual film deinterlacing mode is a "fix" and that when activated it prevents the use of the Radiance's EE/DE/NR features?

The second underline portion of text is a bit subjective, but I was curious if anyone else has made the comparison as well, as I was under the impression from some rather knowledgeable people that the EE/DE/NR algorithms in the VP50Pro/ABT 2010 weren't very good compared to other solutions.

don't know why you're carrying the discussion over here into this thread.... my major complain in the Radiance's sharpening tool is that it's applied in the final stage of the VXP processing BEFORE the scaling, while ABT's EE/DE is applied to the scaled image allowing much more subtle adjustments (especially for SD sources).

You can read about the fixed filmmode in this thread and in Lumagen's update section on their website. When enabled the deinterlacing is done in the FPGA section instead of the VXP. NR features are disabled.

And, yes, of course, we don't have to argue about ABT's MNR function. Is way behind what the VXP can do.

Because I was curious and wanted more information given your comments, and last I checked this is the repository for information and knowledge about the Radiance - which I own. Don't know why you care why I asked for a verification about your comments unless you took my question personally.

na, don't worry. Just like to follow my own postings and distributing them over various threads doesn't make it easier

New Radiance XD user here. I got to spend some time doing a basic set up last night. I have 4 sources, DirecTV HR-22, Oppo BDP83, Toshiba HD-A3, and AppleTV. I have a few questions if you don't mind:

1) For DirecTV, does anyone have any recommendations on noise reduction options, for specifically different ones for 480i, 720p, and 1080i? Video or Auto de-interlace?

2) Does anyone try to use 24p for some prime time broadcasts? Or is it too much of a hassle? If you do, do you just use a different input memory and use forced film mode?

3) For Oppo, I just do source direct on the player, all resolutions but 1080p/24 go to 1080p60 ouput, 1080p/24 goes to 1080p24. inputs other than 1080p24 get video de-interlace. Sound good?

4) I intend to use YCbCr-4:2:2 for all inputs if possible. Any preference for something else? DirectTV seems to support 4:4:4 only.

5) I intend to use YCbCr-4:2:2 for all outputs. I assume to get 10 bits per channel output, I must use a 4:2:2 method? (in other words, 4:4:4 RGB or YCbCr are not 10 bits per channel)

6) I did a quick pass at color gamut correction. I got all Delta-E's under 3. I set white at -40,-40,-40 to help get some luminance back for some colors. What delta-E do most feel they need to be successful?

7) HD-AV3: I just force all inputs (limited to 1080i on this player) to 1080p24 output and use forced film deinterlace mode. I have very few HD-DVDs, and I think they are all film based.


Sorry for all the questions. My past experience was with a HDP, and so far I am really liking the Radiance.


P.S. forgot to mention the display is a Pioneer FPJ1 projector (RS2 clone)