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post #391 of 1347
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Originally Posted by HogPilot View Post

I've underlined the areas of interest. Is this true, that the manual film deinterlacing mode is a "fix" and that when activated it prevents the use of the Radiance's EE/DE/NR features?

Yes, it's true. It's no secret though.
post #392 of 1347
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Originally Posted by Dave G View Post

Firmware Update 021810 - direct download links:

XD
XE
XS


Production 021810-
Bugfix for intermittent audio issue which often affected HD audio formats (bug originated in 011410 update). Bugfix for video posterization issue occurring in some situations (also originated in 011410 revision). Bugfix for not being able to change selections on Other:OnOff Setup:Input Select command.

Dave -
Thanks.
It sounds like this should fix my current Oppo BDP-83 issue.

Mike
post #393 of 1347
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Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

Dave -
Thanks.
It sounds like this should fix my current Oppo BDP-83 issue.

Mike

Mike I spoke with Pat at Lumagen this morning and told him I was experiencing similar audio issues and he told me that indeed the new firmware which was going to be posted today would take care of my issue so lets all give it a go and report back and hopefully all our audio issues will be fixed.
post #394 of 1347
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Originally Posted by Dave G View Post

Yes, it's true. It's no secret though.

Thanks - apparently I was behind on this issue.
post #395 of 1347
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New Radiance XD user here. I got to spend some time doing a basic set up last night. I have 4 sources, DirecTV HR-22, Oppo BDP83, Toshiba HD-A3, and AppleTV. I have a few questions if you don't mind:

1) For DirecTV, does anyone have any recommendations on noise reduction options, for specifically different ones for 480i, 720p, and 1080i? Video or Auto de-interlace?

For satellite the source is extremely variable. HBO and the like can be very good but not always, plus it can vary by time of day and content. So it is very difficult to have general NR settings.

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2) Does anyone try to use 24p for some prime time broadcasts? Or is it too much of a hassle? If you do, do you just use a different input memory and use forced film mode?

I have set up a specific Mem for this. I use it not only for certain broadcasts but also for HBO movies, etc. I asked Lumagen if they could put in an incoming cadence indicator so I would not have to experimentally switch back and forth between Mems but surprisingly never got a reply. Remember too that if you go to 24p you give up the NR features.

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3) For Oppo, I just do source direct on the player, all resolutions but 1080p/24 go to 1080p60 ouput, 1080p/24 goes to 1080p24. inputs other than 1080p24 get video de-interlace. Sound good?

After setting Source Direct don't forget to set the color to YCbrCr 4:2:2 which is in a different menu.

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4) I intend to use YCbCr-4:2:2 for all inputs if possible. Any preference for something else? DirectTV seems to support 4:4:4 only.

I use Dish and they also put out 4:4:4. Don't forget to set DTV to native output, which I have to do manually on Dish.
post #396 of 1347
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Originally Posted by GGA View Post

I asked Lumagen if they could put in an incoming cadence indicator so I would not have to experimentally switch back and forth between Mems but surprisingly never got a reply.

Actually they've addressed this a few times. They don't want to do it because of the frequent cadence changes on cable or broadcast. Any change from say 60p to 24p or back forces a hdmi resync, and you would lose the picture for a few seconds.
post #397 of 1347
Audio all good again.
post #398 of 1347
Question- Do any of you know if using the radiance would be better than using the internal scaling in my sim 2 HT 5000 and why??
Used mostly with the oppo 83 BR and cable- thanks gary
post #399 of 1347
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Originally Posted by funlvr1965 View Post

Mike I spoke with Pat at Lumagen this morning and told him I was experiencing similar audio issues and he told me that indeed the new firmware which was going to be posted today would take care of my issue so lets all give it a go and report back and hopefully all our audio issues will be fixed.

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Originally Posted by cal87 View Post

Audio all good again.

cal87 - great.
Wayne/funlvr1965 - are you still having center channel audio issues?

I have yet to do the Production 021810 FW update and wanted to hear from other people if their problems had resolved.

Thanks,

Mike
post #400 of 1347
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Originally Posted by Dave G View Post

Actually they've addressed this a few times. They don't want to do it because of the frequent cadence changes on cable or broadcast. Any change from say 60p to 24p or back forces a hdmi resync, and you would lose the picture for a few seconds.

Actually I don't want them to automatically change the cadence, just tell me what it is on one of the information screens.

Just as we can see the output cadence on the info screen I think it would be very helpful to see the input cadence. Once we know the input cadence then we can take action as wanted.

Currently when I watch a program I have to experimentally switch back and forth between 24p and 60p to see which is appropriate [with all the attendant resynching]. 60p always works but 24p can sometimes look better.

Perhaps just detecting the input cadence is problematical???
post #401 of 1347
[quote=Mike_WI;18241119]cal87 - great.
Wayne/funlvr1965 - are you still having center channel audio issues?
Yes Mike I had the centerchannel drop out or become very low in volume again last night so not sure what is going on but I might have to start eliminating things out of the chain including the Lumagen, I feel that it could still be the Lumagen but funny that no one else is having my exact problem, dialogue would be going fine then all of a sudden it seems like the centerchannel changes drops out, I still hear the left and right speakers but much lower volume from the center channel
post #402 of 1347
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Originally Posted by GGA View Post

Actually I don't want them to automatically change the cadence, just tell me what it is on one of the information screens.

Just as we can see the output cadence on the info screen I think it would be very helpful to see the input cadence. Once we know the input cadence then we can take action as wanted.

Currently when I watch a program I have to experimentally switch back and forth between 24p and 60p to see which is appropriate [with all the attendant resynching]. 60p always works but 24p can sometimes look better.

Perhaps just detecting the input cadence is problematical???

They read this thread so they might want to chime in. Just displaying the cadence might be a solution. Personally I only output 24p with dvd or blu-ray. Not worth it with cable or broadcast IMHO, but I can't blame you for trying
post #403 of 1347
[quote=funlvr1965;18244813]
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Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

cal87 - great.
Wayne/funlvr1965 - are you still having center channel audio issues?
Yes Mike I had the centerchannel drop out or become very low in volume again last night so not sure what is going on but I might have to start eliminating things out of the chain including the Lumagen, I feel that it could still be the Lumagen but funny that no one else is having my exact problem, dialogue would be going fine then all of a sudden it seems like the centerchannel changes drops out, I still hear the left and right speakers but much lower volume from the center channel

Ok.
I had no "dropouts" just no sound.
Will likely install new FW this weekend when I bring my laptop home.

Mike
post #404 of 1347
Firmware Update 021910 - direct download links:

XD
XE
XS


Production 021910
- Bugfix with for audio issue where non-hdmi audio sources are sometimes muted on hdmi outputs (no audio)--usually switching to another input and back would restore audio.
- Bugfix for an issue with the main audio menu inadvertently changing the condition.
- Bugfix for masking in Pip/Pop window not always working.
post #405 of 1347
[quote=funlvr1965;18244813]
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Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

cal87 - great.
Wayne/funlvr1965 - are you still having center channel audio issues?
Yes Mike I had the centerchannel drop out or become very low in volume again last night so not sure what is going on but I might have to start eliminating things out of the chain including the Lumagen, I feel that it could still be the Lumagen but funny that no one else is having my exact problem, dialogue would be going fine then all of a sudden it seems like the centerchannel changes drops out, I still hear the left and right speakers but much lower volume from the center channel

UPDATE, after doing some time consuming troubleshooting I discovered that the xlr cable for the center channel was not completely seated, I verified this by sending test tones from the processor the all the speakers. When it got to the center channel there was no sound, I removed and reseated the corresponding xlr cable into the back of the processor and VOILA!! fixed. I recently sent in my other processor to the manufacturer for a going over and I guess in my haste to install this one into the rack i didnt wait to hear that familiar "click" of the xlr seating into the rear of the processor. So this was not the fault of the Lumagen and Pat at Lumagen was only too happy to assist me with any troubleshooting I needed to do with the Lumagen along the way.
post #406 of 1347
[quote=funlvr1965;18262116]
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Originally Posted by funlvr1965 View Post


UPDATE, after doing some time consuming troubleshooting I discovered that the xlr cable for the center channel was not completely seated, I verified this by sending test tones from the processor the all the speakers. When it got to the center channel there was no sound, I removed and reseated the corresponding xlr cable into the back of the processor and VOILA!! fixed. I recently sent in my other processor to the manufacturer for a going over and I guess in my haste to install this one into the rack i didnt wait to hear that familiar "click" of the xlr seating into the rear of the processor. So this was not the fault of the Lumagen and Pat at Lumagen was only too happy to assist me with any troubleshooting I needed to do with the Lumagen along the way.

Glad you got it figured out and Lumagen was a positive troubleshooting help.
Now, you need to work on those biceps to have enough strength to get those connections to work.
(If you've seen Wayne/funlvr1965 you know I'm kidding).

I'll likely do the FW update today and report back on Oppo with XE audio issue.

Mike

*EDIT*:
New FW:
Production 022010- Bugfix for an audio issue that in some situations could turn hdmi audio output off when it was set to be on (or on when set to be off).
post #407 of 1347
The Oppo BDP-83 bitstream audio now works with latest Lumagen RadianceXE FW update:

Production 022010- Bugfix for an audio issue that in some situations could turn hdmi audio output off when it was set to be on (or on when set to be off).

Production 021910- Bugfix with for audio issue where non-hdmi audio sources are sometimes muted on hdmi outputs (no audio)--usually switching to another input and back would restore audio. Bugfix for an issue with the main audio menu inadvertently changing the condition. Bugfix for masking in Pip/Pop window not always working.

Production 021810- Bugfix for intermittent audio issue which often affected HD audio formats (bug originated in 011410 update). Bugfix for video posterization issue occurring in some situations (also originated in 011410 revision). Bugfix for not being able to change selections on Other:OnOff Setup:Input Select command.

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Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

I tried the same thing with another BR this morning and same problem -- menu has audio and video, but the main part of BR has video only.

Other Radiance inputs for Oppo DVD and HDTV from cable work normally.

Any suggestions, or do a FW force backdate?



Mike

PS - I didn't change any Oppo BDP-83 settings, so only change was RadianceXE FW update...

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Originally Posted by cal87 View Post

Go back to 012510 or earlier if you want to bitstream. In the meantime, PCM works fine. I have fired off an e-mail to support, and I am sure they will have it fixed soon.

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Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

Thanks!

I had tried flipping HDMI Audio formats in the Oppo to troubleshoot from:
Auto->LPCM->Bitsteam

...but must not have left it at LPCM long enough.

LPCM works.

Thanks for the input.
Glad to have that working again.
Hopefully this small bug will get fixed.
It was a surprise/annoyance though.

Mike
post #408 of 1347
Hi there

I'm considering buying a Lumagen Radiance XE to feed my Panasonic TH65PF9 panel. My sources are as follows:

Arcam DV139 DVD player (I watch both PAL and NTSC discs)
Sony BDP-S550 Blu-ray player (soon to be replaced by the Oppo BDP-83 Blu-ray player)
Satellite Set Top box with S-Video or Scart output (PAL broadcast, non-HD)

Some questions from my side:

1) How good is the Radiance out of the box, i.e. how much (or little) tweaking would I need to do before I get a major calibration done? Can I just plug 'n play in the interim? I know that a full-fledged calibration would unlock the potential of the Radiance...

2) The Panasonic panel cannot do 1080p24 over its DVI input, so I would have to output either 1080p50 and 1080p60, depending on the input source. Has anyone successfully gotten their Radiance to work with something like the HDFury and a Panasonic panel?

3) Related to question 2 above, I know that the Radiance can output 1080p24sf and that the Panasonic can take this via its VGA input (again, something like the HDFury will be required to do this). Has anyone ever tried this? Is there any difference between 1080p24sf and 1080p24?

4) Is there anything with the Radiance that I need to pay particular attention to, i.e. some do's and don'ts that will save me from hassle and trouble?

Thanks in advance and regards...

Ripclaw
post #409 of 1347
1: The Radiance is excellent out the box. Your supplier should be able to pre-configure it so you don't have to do much, if anything, to get a great image pre-calibration.

2: Don't know about panasonic panels but there are a few folk I know of who have fury or fury type devices on end of Radiances, running to analogue displays.

3: Pretty sure that, although it is not listed, your display will support 1080P48 in to its PC input. That is how most folk used to deal with 24FPs material in to commercial Panasonic plasmas

4: Nothing I can think of....
post #410 of 1347
I'm not familiar with that particular Panasonic model, but if it is old enough to have DVI and NOT HDMI, using a Radiance processor to feed it is a horrible idea. Plasma panels so old they have DVI and no HDMI are TERRIBLE displays... pro-models included. Image-wise, you'll do MUCH better with a new display than with a Radiance feeding a display so old it doesn't have HDMI.

As for calibration - frankly, getting a Radiance without having it calibrated or even worrying about whether it is usable without calibration is kind of silly. The whole POINT of the Radiance is making the grayscale accurate, making color accurate, and making gamma the best it can be for the video display in question. The upconversion of DVD and other standard def sources are secondary features/capabilities as far as I'm concerned. Nobody can do ANY pre-sale (or non-instrumented) settings on Radiance that are guaranteed to make your grayscale better, color better or gamma better. That can only happen with calibration. Well - if there's a very large, obvious problem with the display, you MAY be able to identify some Radiance setting to make it better without instrumentation/calibration, but eyeballs are easily fooled.

Video displays being sold now (March 2010) are all FAR better than what was available 3 to 4 years ago. In fact, it's hard to sell 4-year old TVs because they perform so poorly compared to new displays selling for a fraction of the price of the same-size 4-year-old TV.

The Radiance will NOT make an old display have blacker blacks, a Radiance will not make an older TVs images as clear and sharp (without sharpening) as todays displays, the Radiance will not make older TVs as bright as current models. Those older TVs from the DVI era (pre-HDMI) are surpassed in every way by what is available today.
post #411 of 1347
well I have to disagree with Doug....I had/still have a PWD6 DVI only SD commercial Panasonic plasma and it's probably one of the best SD res plasma's ever made. Certainly for SD programming I'd rather have one of them and a RADIANCE than a Kuro Pioneer for instance...

oh and the PF9 is HDMI...just not with 1080P24 ...I
post #412 of 1347
Firmware Update 022110 - direct download links:

XD
XE
XS

Production 022110
- Fix for video issue in some XD/XE units caused by a marginal timing issue in FPGA.
- Updating not necessary unless you're seeing consistent/obviously noisy/corrupted video from one or more sources.
post #413 of 1347
I may have missed it (and thread search with "XE+" likely has too few characters), but I don't recall hearing anything about the Lumagen Radiance XE+.

Link

"The XE+ is rev'd up to drive both outputs up to 1080p at 72/75 Hz"


Mike
post #414 of 1347
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Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

The XE+ is rev'd up to drive both outputs up to 1080p at 72/75 Hz

Guess the CRT market is still alive and kicking. Well, kicking at least.
post #415 of 1347
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Originally Posted by Gordon Fraser View Post

1: The Radiance is excellent out the box. Your supplier should be able to pre-configure it so you don't have to do much, if anything, to get a great image pre-calibration.

2: Don't know about panasonic panels but there are a few folk I know of who have fury or fury type devices on end of Radiances, running to analogue displays.

3: Pretty sure that, although it is not listed, your display will support 1080P48 in to its PC input. That is how most folk used to deal with 24FPs material in to commercial Panasonic plasmas

4: Nothing I can think of....

Thanks, Gordon. It's always a pleasure (and honour) reading your replies.

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Originally Posted by Gordon Fraser View Post

well I have to disagree with Doug....I had/still have a PWD6 DVI only SD commercial Panasonic plasma and it's probably one of the best SD res plasma's ever made. Certainly for SD programming I'd rather have one of them and a RADIANCE than a Kuro Pioneer for instance...

oh and the PF9 is HDMI...just not with 1080P24 ...I

Gordon is quite correct. Panasonic should have (but didn't) released an HDMI blade that was capable of 1080p24 input with the PF9 series of plasma panels, as it was their first professional range of plasma panels that was capable of native 1080p. However, that point is best discussed in the Plasma and Flat Panels forum area.

FWIW, I will be posting my impressions of the Lumagen after I've gotten it and settled it in my system.
post #416 of 1347
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FYI: The XE and XS are on sale ($1000 off for the XS, $1500 off for the XE) until the end of March. If you were on the fence...
post #417 of 1347
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Originally Posted by Dave G View Post

FYI: The XE and XS are on sale ($1000 off) until the end of March. If you were on the fence...

Wow.
That IS a sale.
Dave - Where did you see that?

Mike
post #418 of 1347
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Originally Posted by Mike_WI View Post

Wow.
That IS a sale.
Dave - Where did you see that?

Mike

It's actually $1500 off for the XE. So yeah a hell of a sale. But as far as I know it's not a price drop - i.e., after March 31st the prices go back up.

http://www.curtpalme.com/Radiance.shtm
http://spectracal.com/purchase.html

I don't know if AVS still sells these. If they do, the sale price will also apply I'm sure.
post #419 of 1347
Thread Starter 
Firmware Update 022310 - direct download links:

XD
XE
XS


Production 022310-
XD/XE: Fix for Pip cropping issue that occasionally results in improper scaling of the Pip window.
XS: Bugfix with for input selection with optional SDI input card (inputs 11 and 12 when installed).
post #420 of 1347
What SDI input card?
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