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post #931 of 1347
Radiance "Tech Tip 1 - Independent Output Calibrations" covers using two CMS memories to store separate calibrations for two different displays.

http://www.lumagen.com/docs/Tip0001_...ons_040412.pdf

The Tech Tip shows two displays connected to HDMI Output 1 and 2 on a RadianceXS/XE. You can also use a 1x2 HDMI splitter (such as a Monoprice HDMI splitter) to drive the the two displays. You would connect the splitter to the single HDMI Output on the Mini or HDMI Output 2 on the XS/XE

Randy Freeman
Lumagen
post #932 of 1347
Anyone had this combo (XD + Darbee) and saw improvement?
post #933 of 1347
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post


The way I would do it is to set video to pass-through on the receiver or pre/pro, and put the VP between its monitor output and the display(s).

The Mini3D's single HDMI output could be dealt with using a $30 Monoprice powered splitter.

Thanks. How good does the PIP/POP work on the XE3D? Can I be playing a game on the Xbox for part of the screen and watching a football game on the rest if both sources are fed into the XE?
post #934 of 1347
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Originally Posted by SJHT View Post

Thanks. How good does the PIP/POP work on the XE3D? Can I be playing a game on the Xbox for part of the screen and watching a football game on the rest if both sources are fed into the XE?

Yes, you could.
Obviously, if you put it after the AVR and before the display, you won't be... Or, could you? (with the virtual input...) Hmm.. I don't know if PIP/POP works with virtual input.
post #935 of 1347
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post


Yes, you could.
Obviously, if you put it after the AVR and before the display, you won't be... Or, could you? (with the virtual input...) Hmm.. I don't know if PIP/POP works with virtual input.

What do you mean by virtual input? My example was both sources fed into the XE and one of the outputs going to my projector and the other going to my AVP. Would be doing PIP/POP on the projector. Thanks. SJ
post #936 of 1347
Quote:
Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

The way I would do it is to set video to pass-through on the receiver or pre/pro, and put the VP between its monitor output and the display(s).

The Mini3D's single HDMI output could be dealt with using a $30 Monoprice powered splitter.

Aside from all the additional inputs on the XS/XE the mini plus the splitter is essentially the same now? Granted I would have 4 memory settings to split over 2 displays, but that's probably enough for me. However, with this logic you could potentially set up 4 displays off a single mini?
post #937 of 1347
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Originally Posted by SJHT View Post

What do you mean by virtual input? My example was both sources fed into the XE and one of the outputs going to my projector and the other going to my AVP. Would be doing PIP/POP on the projector. Thanks. SJ

if you had both sources fed into the XE directly, then forget about virtual input. It applies to cases when you have say multiple input to AVR/switch, and then fed into a single physical input. Virtual input allows you to break that single physical input into multiple virtual input so you can assign CMS/style etc as if they are physically different.
post #938 of 1347
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Originally Posted by NateTTU View Post

Aside from all the additional inputs on the XS/XE the mini plus the splitter is essentially the same now? Granted I would have 4 memory settings to split over 2 displays, but that's probably enough for me. However, with this logic you could potentially set up 4 displays off a single mini?

sure... i have 3 "displays" coming off of mine (2 to the projector, 1 to the lcd)... one of the ones to the pj subsequently passes through a 3dbee before going to the pj...

the combination of physical and logical inputs along with the memories allows for a ton of flexibility....
post #939 of 1347
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post


if you had both sources fed into the XE directly, then forget about virtual input. It applies to cases when you have say multiple input to AVR/switch, and then fed into a single physical input. Virtual input allows you to break that single physical input into multiple virtual input so you can assign CMS/style etc as if they are physically different.

Thanks. Besides the number of inputs, PIP/POP seems to be the one missing feature from the other Lumagen models. Is there some reason for this? I actually do not need all the inputs of the XE, but think i would use the PIP features. SJ
post #940 of 1347
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Originally Posted by SJHT View Post

Thanks. Besides the number of inputs, PIP/POP seems to be the one missing feature from the other Lumagen models. Is there some reason for this? I actually do not need all the inputs of the XE, but think i would use the PIP features. SJ

Any other differences between the three models? I think I would use the PIP/POP, but are there other things in the XE besides extra inputs/outputs and the triggers? Quite a step up in price. I really only use HDMI these days. Seems like the XE is based on previous generation(s) architecture (old serial firmware updating, no Ethernet, etc.). Any signs of something new coming from Lumagen? My preference would be to have a model with 8 HDMI inputs, three HDMI outputs (2 video and 1 audio), LAN connection for control and firmware updating via the Internet. I do realize that the XE is still probably one of the best VPs available to consumers. Thanks. SJ
post #941 of 1347
The Radiance XE, XS and Mini have the same basic architecture and the software is built from the same software code base. They all have the same Lumagen "No-Ring Scaling", aspect ratio support, IR/RS232 commands, and have the same support for display calibration. This includes a CMS (Color Management System) with a full 3D color cube and support for a 21 point gray scale calibration.

Best regards,
Randy Freeman
post #942 of 1347
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Originally Posted by rfpublic View Post

The Radiance XE, XS and Mini have the same basic architecture and the software is built from the same software code base. They all have the same Lumagen "No-Ring Scaling", aspect ratio support, IR/RS232 commands, and have the same support for display calibration. This includes a CMS (Color Management System) with a full 3D color cube and support for a 21 point gray scale calibration.

Best regards,
Randy Freeman

Thanks. Is there a reason the XS doesn't have PIP? Does that take extra hardware that is only part of the XE? SJ
post #943 of 1347
The simple answer for why there is no PIP on the RadianceXS is "cost". The necessary hardware changes would result in a more expensive unit.

Randy Freeman
Lumagen
post #944 of 1347
Quote:
Originally Posted by rfpublic View Post

The simple answer for why there is no PIP on the RadianceXS is "cost". The necessary hardware changes would result in a more expensive unit.

Randy Freeman
Lumagen

That what I figured, so I picked up a XE3D today . SJ
post #945 of 1347
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

sure... i have 3 "displays" coming off of mine (2 to the projector, 1 to the lcd)... one of the ones to the pj subsequently passes through a 3dbee before going to the pj...

the combination of physical and logical inputs along with the memories allows for a ton of flexibility....

Hi Guys,

New to this thread. I just picked up a preowned XD. It works very well on my main PJ. However, I am having HDCP not detected on my second display which is plugged in the second HDMI out. I have swapped HDMI ins and outs hoping that it may resolve the issue but no luck so far.
I upgraded the firmware as it had the original from 2009.
My secondary output goes to a Panny Plasma through a balun which is HDCP passthrough complaint. In fact, if I bypass the XD, everything works using my Matrix 2x4 and Splitter 1x4 combo from Monoprice. Here are my connections:

DVR------------------>Matrix in1
Blu-ray--------------> Matrix in2
Game Console------->Matrix in3
******************HDMI****HDMI
******************OUTA****OUTB
*******************|********|
*******************|********|
******************\\|/*******\\|/
******************AVR******XD
*******************|******HDMI In5
*******************|********|
******************\\|/*******\\|/
******************XD*******XD
***************HDMI In1**HDMI Out1
*******************|********|
******************\\|/********|
****************** XD****** \\|/
***************HDMI Out2**BALUN
*******************|*********|
******************\\|/******* \\|/
**************** PJ OK****Panny (HDCP Error)


Any hints? I am going to try a stand alone HDMI monitor without the balun to see what happens. I am hoping it's something easy to correct.

Cheers
post #946 of 1347
When you purchase a used RadianceXD:
1. Download and install the latest software from the Lumagen website.
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=updates
2. Do a factory reset by pressing "Menu 0999".
3. Save the new settings by pressing "Menu, Save, Ok, Ok, Ok".
4. Download the latest RadianceXE manual and use it for your XD. Just ignore any references to high definition audio formats.
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=manuals

You should try using a more conventional and simpler system architecture. Connect all the video sources to the inputs on the XD. Connect XD HDMI Output 1 to the receiver. Connect XD Output 2 to the Monprice HDMI splitter. Connect the outputs of the splitter to the two displays.

With no menu displayed, press the "OK" button on the Lumagen remote to display the info screen. What is the HDCP status of the input and output on the Lumagen?

As an experiment, you should eliminate the balun. Replace the balun connection with a HDMI cable or connect a small TV or computer monitor (with a HDCP compliant HDMI input) to the output of the Radiance.

Randy Freeman
Lumagen
post #947 of 1347
Quote:
Originally Posted by rfpublic View Post

The simple answer for why there is no PIP on the RadianceXS is "cost". The necessary hardware changes would result in a more expensive unit.

Randy Freeman
Lumagen

Since I ended getting a XE3D I am really enjoying PIP/POP. Really a great feature for our use. Implementation is excellent. SJ
post #948 of 1347
Quote:
Originally Posted by rfpublic View Post

When you purchase a used RadianceXD:
1. Download and install the latest software from the Lumagen website.
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=updates
2. Do a factory reset by pressing "Menu 0999".
3. Save the new settings by pressing "Menu, Save, Ok, Ok, Ok".
4. Download the latest RadianceXE manual and use it for your XD. Just ignore any references to high definition audio formats.
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=manuals

You should try using a more conventional and simpler system architecture. Connect all the video sources to the inputs on the XD. Connect XD HDMI Output 1 to the receiver. Connect XD Output 2 to the Monprice HDMI splitter. Connect the outputs of the splitter to the two displays.

With no menu displayed, press the "OK" button on the Lumagen remote to display the info screen. What is the HDCP status of the input and output on the Lumagen?

As an experiment, you should eliminate the balun. Replace the balun connection with a HDMI cable or connect a small TV or computer monitor (with a HDCP compliant HDMI input) to the output of the Radiance.

Randy Freeman
Lumagen

Thanks Randy for the suggestions and for the tips you gave me earlier. I appreciate you taking the time to share some of your experiences and knowlege with me. I am really enjoying my almost-new-but-older-model radiance.
Everything works now. The fault was due to a splice on my baluns CAT6 cables I had to do since they ended being too short after I remodeled my media room. I re-run new single runs of CAT6 and everything works fine. Interesting however that the bypassing the radiance did not present a problem, but with the radiance in the middle, the splice broke the connectivity.
In any case, now that my PJ in the main room is calibrated, time to do the other 3 plasmas.

BTW, the splices were thru terminated RJ45s and couplers. I just wanted to clarify that it was not merely taped or soldered.
post #949 of 1347
Had something strange happen with my XE. I switched between my Bluray source to satellite and the picture had imposed about a 15% of the left side of the satellite image on the right side sitting next to the normal image. I was using zoom on the Bluray source before switching. Hard to describe and will take a picture if it happens again. Turning the XE off/on corrected things. SJ
post #950 of 1347
I did an auto calibration using CALMAN and my XE3D. Results were fantastic. How do I do a 3D calibration? Figure I need to mount my 3D glasses in front of my meter, but has anyone done this and can give me some feedback? Thanks. SJ
post #951 of 1347
You have to have one of the following:

- TV or projector with a manually selectable 3D mode... some have this, some don't
- If the TV cannot be forced into 3D mode, you have to have a 3D test pattern source and must use only 3D patterns when doing 3D calibration. I'm not aware of a disc with 3D calibration patterns, so you'd probably have to have a signal generator with a 3D mode if you can't force the display into 3D mode.

Once you can display 3D patterns you have to have the 3D glasses in front of the meter and the glasses have to be turned-on all the time while you are calibrating. Once all those conditions are met, 3D calibration is the same as 2D calibration... only much darker. If you have a projector that outputs 16 fL for 100% white, you;ll measure between 2-4 fL for 100% white in 3D mode. If you have panel display at 30 fL in 2D mode, it will likely measure close to 8 fL in 3D mode.

If the meter is intended to be placed very close to the surface of the screen or panel, it may not measure accurately with the 3D glasses between the meter and panel or screen.
post #952 of 1347
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn View Post

You have to have one of the following:
- TV or projector with a manually selectable 3D mode... some have this, some don't
- If the TV cannot be forced into 3D mode, you have to have a 3D test pattern source and must use only 3D patterns when doing 3D calibration. I'm not aware of a disc with 3D calibration patterns, so you'd probably have to have a signal generator with a 3D mode if you can't force the display into 3D mode.
Once you can display 3D patterns you have to have the 3D glasses in front of the meter and the glasses have to be turned-on all the time while you are calibrating. Once all those conditions are met, 3D calibration is the same as 2D calibration... only much darker. If you have a projector that outputs 16 fL for 100% white, you;ll measure between 2-4 fL for 100% white in 3D mode. If you have panel display at 30 fL in 2D mode, it will likely measure close to 8 fL in 3D mode.
If the meter is intended to be placed very close to the surface of the screen or panel, it may not measure accurately with the 3D glasses between the meter and panel or screen.

I've done it manually by selecting my projector's 2D to 3D mode and then using a test disk. Can I do this and have the Lumagen generate the patterns and then go through the same process as 2D with CALMAN? SJ
post #953 of 1347
Yes the lumagen can be used to generate 3D (flat) test patterns
post #954 of 1347
Recently we added a "Test Mode" option to the "Test Pattern" menu on the Radiance. This can be used to do a calibration through a set of 3D glasses.

1. Flash your Radiance with the latest software from the Lumagen website.

2. Press "Menu, Other, Test Pattern, Test Mode". Set the test mode to the 2D or 3D mode that you would like to use for calibration. For a 3D calibration you might use 1080p60 SbyS (Side-bySide) or 1080p24 FrmP (Frame Packed).

3. Press "Adj w/Mode" to display the adjustable test patterns using the test mode that you set. The Radiance will display a flat 3D test pattern.

4. Place the 3D glasses in front of your meter and do a calibration.

Randy Freeman
Lumagen
post #955 of 1347
Quote:
Originally Posted by rfpublic View Post

Recently we added a "Test Mode" option to the "Test Pattern" menu on the Radiance. This can be used to do a calibration through a set of 3D glasses.
1. Flash your Radiance with the latest software from the Lumagen website.
2. Press "Menu, Other, Test Pattern, Test Mode". Set the test mode to the 2D or 3D mode that you would like to use for calibration. For a 3D calibration you might use 1080p60 SbyS (Side-bySide) or 1080p24 FrmP (Frame Packed).
3. Press "Adj w/Mode" to display the adjustable test patterns using the test mode that you set. The Radiance will display a flat 3D test pattern.
4. Place the 3D glasses in front of your meter and do a calibration.
Randy Freeman
Lumagen

How about with CALMAN? If I do a normal calibration and have the projector in 3D mode with the glasses mounted on the meter, wouldn't that work? I prefer auto calibration if possible. Thanks. SJ
post #956 of 1347
I think that the new Radiance "test mode" will probably be supported in the next Calman software release. You should contact SpectraCal for further details.

Randy Freeman
Lumagen
post #957 of 1347
I turned on all of my equipment today and after seeing a blue screen, I noticed my Radiance XS was off. I powered it on again and it shut down after a few seconds. I repeated this a couple of times with the same result. Anything I can try to get it going again?

I run most of my sources through it and feed a projector with one output and a Onkyo SSP with the other. It has worked fine for over a year without issues.
post #958 of 1347
Bad power supply? MIght be able to check with a multimeter. But may only go down under load.
post #959 of 1347
Please contact Lumagen about your issue with the RadianceXS power supply.

Randy Freeman
support@lumagen.com
503-574-2211x104
post #960 of 1347
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Anyone had this combo (XD + Darbee) and saw improvement?

I must have missed this question before, but it bears comment...

The reason for having a Radiance processor in the first place (for most owners anyway) is to make a projector or panel display as ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE. That means getting color luminance just right, getting color saturation just right, getting color hue just right, getting grayscale accurate, getting a uniform gamma.

The purpose of the Darbee device is to make pictures pretty... NOT ACCURATE, but pretty. The "better" films are mastered to Blu-ray by the director and/or cinematographer and they pass judgement on color, contrast, brightness, gamma, etc. The final product is just the way they want it to look. The Darbee box "enhances" images in specific ways. So why bother making the images accurate with a Radiance processor if you're going to connect a Darbee box to make the images less accurate? It just seems like the two products are somewhat at odds. You can make pretty images without a Radiance processor, but in most cases, you can't make ACCURATE images without a Radiance processor.
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