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post #961 of 1347
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Originally Posted by Doug Blackburn View Post

I must have missed this question before, but it bears comment...
The reason for having a Radiance processor in the first place (for most owners anyway) is to make a projector or panel display as ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE. That means getting color luminance just right, getting color saturation just right, getting color hue just right, getting grayscale accurate, getting a uniform gamma.
The purpose of the Darbee device is to make pictures pretty... NOT ACCURATE, but pretty. The "better" films are mastered to Blu-ray by the director and/or cinematographer and they pass judgement on color, contrast, brightness, gamma, etc. The final product is just the way they want it to look. The Darbee box "enhances" images in specific ways. So why bother making the images accurate with a Radiance processor if you're going to connect a Darbee box to make the images less accurate? It just seems like the two products are somewhat at odds. You can make pretty images without a Radiance processor, but in most cases, you can't make ACCURATE images without a Radiance processor.

First, I think there is other sources like cable, games that does not have accurate standard to begin with. Darblet can help make those pretty.

Then for blu-ray, darblet does not change grayscale or hue. It does mess with the color luminance, which to me I think is acceptable. First, color by itself is subjective as each eye might have slightly different trisimulus, so the "perfect red" to the director might never translate to me even if we all look at the film at the same time. Also, as my equipment is nowhere near what the director have, I will not have the native contrast that he want us to have...Darblet allow it to trick my eyes to I think more closely match what the director have, I hope.

Anyway, just my 2 cents. Just like lumagen had noise canceling, sharpening technique, this is just another one from Darblet...
post #962 of 1347
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Also, as my equipment is nowhere near what the director have, I will not have the native contrast that he want us to have...Darblet allow it to trick my eyes to I think more closely match what the director have, I hope.

I wonder about this.

Even if the director has equipment with state of the art contrast, he must be aware that cinema pj's do not, and even if they did it would be pointless because the black floor is set by the required Exit and safety lighting.
post #963 of 1347
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

I wonder about this.
Even if the director has equipment with state of the art contrast, he must be aware that cinema pj's do not, and even if they did it would be pointless because the black floor is set by the required Exit and safety lighting.

I really don't know if the director think of the "exit/safety" lighting requirement. There are simply no standard on the brightness of that exit sign (or the cinema just don't follow). I had been to a few and they all have different brightness. I recently been to Spiderman IMAX theatre and it seems to have the least brightness, so I am not sure if that is a requirement by IMAX or not...
post #964 of 1347
I have a Radiance XS-3D on the way, and am planning my HDMI distribution strategy. A couple of questions came up while planning the distribution, and I am looking for input, as I don't know if it can implement my first choice (Plan A). Plan A calls for the Radiance to drive both my projector in the Home Theater (HT) via Output 1 as well as the plasma in the Family Room (FR) via Output 2, occasionally at the same time. This would require the Radiance to perform HDMI Matrix switching, and send both audio and video to both HDMI outputs, as I have AVR's in both locations. I don't think this is possible, based on my brief look at the manual. If Plan A is not feasible, I will only use the Radiance to drive the projector in the HT.

The system is a little complicated, as I have four sources running through a 4x4 HDMI matrix switch, so I can send those sources to three separate locations in the house. The path for Plan A would be:

Source 1 (BDP) to Radiance XS-3D input 1 to the HT AVR input 1 to projector

Source 2 (Xbox 360) to Radiance XS-3D input 2 to the HT AVR input 2 to projector

Source 3 (Cable DVR) to HDMI 4x4 Matrix switch to Radiance XS-3D input 3 to either the HT AVR input 3 to projector via Output 1 or to the FR AVR via Output 2.

Source 4 (Network Media Player) to HDMI 4x4 Matrix switch to Radiance XS-3D input 3 to either the HT AVR input 3 to projector via Output 1 or to the FR AVR via Output 2.

Source 5 (Apple TV2) to HDMI 4x4 Matrix switch to Radiance XS-3D input 3 to either the HT AVR input 3 to projector via Output 1 or to the FR AVR via Output 2.

Source 6 (Satellite Receiver) to HDMI 4x4 Matrix switch to Radiance XS-3D input 3 to either the HT AVR input 3 to projector via Output 1 or to the FR AVR via Output 2.


Thanks for any input.

Mark
post #965 of 1347
I am on the road, so I can't be sure. But you can have both output turned to "Y" for each "resolution", under any memory setting.
So, what you have to do in your case is just set MemA to only output to PJ, and then set MemB to only output to FR. You can also use MemC to set to output BOTH as well.
Since you have a switch on Input3, you can also use virtual input to assign the 4 source setting for say different CMS, noise setting etc.

Enjoy!
post #966 of 1347
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

I am on the road, so I can't be sure. But you can have both output turned to "Y" for each "resolution", under any memory setting.
So, what you have to do in your case is just set MemA to only output to PJ, and then set MemB to only output to FR. You can also use MemC to set to output BOTH as well.
Since you have a switch on Input3, you can also use virtual input to assign the 4 source setting for say different CMS, noise setting etc.
Enjoy!

Thanks.

So you are thinking that both Output 1 & 2 can send video and audio to AVR's? What about the matrix switching capability? I am not totally clear on how the virtual inputs work. I performed a search in the thread, and did not see it explained in detail.

Mark
post #967 of 1347
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Originally Posted by rfpublic View Post

Please contact Lumagen about your issue with the RadianceXS power supply.
Randy Freeman
support@lumagen.com
503-574-2211x104

Thanks for sending the new power supply! that took care of my issue.
post #968 of 1347
I had a fellow AVS member stop by with his darbee and we hooked it up post Radiance processing. We looked at high resolution still photos with e-shift on/off and I spent a good amount of time playing with the intensity of the HD setting. I also looked at test patterns to determine how much distortion it was adding to the image. While I did find some objectionable test patterns, overall with real content I have to say I was quite impressed at detail enhancement.

I found scenes I loved and ones that I felt took away from the film look and with some content enhanced film grain, but I was able to find a setting which provided some enhanced detail without distracting the natural cinematic look. I found myself asking why I preferred this with the Lumagen when I knew what it was doing to the picture. In the end, I think it is a very nice addition to the Lumagen at a reasonable price, and there is a setting that I think most can find and be happy with.

I look forward to spending more time with it in the near future, and I can see this technology being embedded in various applications and devices. It is a shame the form factor does not allow for firmware updates. Overall it appears to be a capable device that pairs well with the Lumagen at the proper setting.
post #969 of 1347
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

Thanks.
So you are thinking that both Output 1 & 2 can send video and audio to AVR's? What about the matrix switching capability? I am not totally clear on how the virtual inputs work. I performed a search in the thread, and did not see it explained in detail.
Mark

Yes, both output1 and 2 can be configure to send both video/audio. What is your question about matrix switching capability? I thought you already have a switch before Lumagen?
The virtual inputs work in the scenario where you have a matrix swtich or AVR (that had several input) to a physical input. Say you have a 4x1 switch feeding to HDMI input1 of Lumagen.
Without Virtual input, all 4 of the inputs that feed into the HDMI input1 will be treated the same, as HDMI1.
With virtual input, you can configure those 4 inputs as HDMI1, HDMI2, HDMI3, HDMI4... even though they physically are connected to HDMI1 in the Lumagen. THis had the advantage that if you want different settings for those inputs, like CMS, noise reduction settings etc.
It is usually more useful for the Radiance mini, as it had only 1 (or 2 ??) HDMI input. With XS/XD that had more HDMI input, this might be less useful as you might just use the different physical input.
Hope that helps.
post #970 of 1347
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Yes, both output1 and 2 can be configure to send both video/audio. What is your question about matrix switching capability? I thought you already have a switch before Lumagen?
The virtual inputs work in the scenario where you have a matrix swtich or AVR (that had several input) to a physical input. Say you have a 4x1 switch feeding to HDMI input1 of Lumagen.
Without Virtual input, all 4 of the inputs that feed into the HDMI input1 will be treated the same, as HDMI1.
With virtual input, you can configure those 4 inputs as HDMI1, HDMI2, HDMI3, HDMI4... even though they physically are connected to HDMI1 in the Lumagen. THis had the advantage that if you want different settings for those inputs, like CMS, noise reduction settings etc.
It is usually more useful for the Radiance mini, as it had only 1 (or 2 ??) HDMI input. With XS/XD that had more HDMI input, this might be less useful as you might just use the different physical input.
Hope that helps.

Thanks for the info.

For the matrix switching capability, I am wondering if I can send (as an example) the HDMI signal from Input 1 to Output 2 and simultaneously send the HDMI signal from Input 2 to Output 2? There are occasions where I might be watching a movie in the basement (source: Input 1), and someone is watching TV in the family room (Source: Input 2).

I searched in the manual for virtual inputs, but did not find anything on how to set that up. I looked again closer today, and I think this topic is covered under HDMI Physical Input on page 19? If so, then I understand how it works. However, I am planning on three of the physical inputs, so I would only have one physical input available for reassignment. However, I am thinking I could use the four configuration memories on that physical input to configure the four sources from the 4 x 4 HDMI matrix switch, correct? This is based on my understanding that the configuration memories (A, B, C, D) are available for each input (1, 2, 3, 4), and are not global; that means there are 16 total configuration memories across the 4 inputs.

Thanks for your patience while I muddle through this conundrum.

Mark
post #971 of 1347
The two HDMI outputs have exactly the same video signal. You can select any input, but the two outputs will be the same. The only exception is that you can turn off the video on one of the outputs, in which case that output will have 1080i black video at all times with audio. This feature can be used so that a 2D AVR connected to one of the outputs doesn't ever see a 3D video signal.

You can use the user memory buttons to store settings for the four video sources that are connected to one input on the XS through a HDMI switch.

Randy Freeman
Lumagen
post #972 of 1347
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Originally Posted by rfpublic View Post

The two HDMI outputs have exactly the same video signal. You can select any input, but the two outputs will be the same. The only exception is that you can turn off the video on one of the outputs, in which case that output will have 1080i black video at all times with audio. This feature can be used so that a 2D AVR connected to one of the outputs doesn't ever see a 3D video signal.
You can use the user memory buttons to store settings for the four video sources that are connected to one input on the XS through a HDMI switch.
Randy Freeman
Lumagen

Thanks Randy. That is what I suspected about the outputs, so I will adjust my HDMI distribution plan accordingly.

Mark
post #973 of 1347
In order to implement my desire to have the Radiance XS-3D distribute signals to both my HT and my family room systems, but not always at the same time, it requires I place an HDMI 3 x 1 or 4 x 1 switch after the Radiance. I want to ensure the switch I get will pass 3D and 1080p/24. This switch at Monoprice, appears to fit the bill:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=8462&seq=1&format=2

Here are the listed specifications:

3X1 Enhanced HDMI® Switch w/ Built-In Equalizer & Remote

Specifications
Maximum Video Resolution 1920x1080 (1080p)
Video Input 3x HDMI®
Video Output 1x HDMI® with HDCP and 3D support
Vertical Frequency Range 50/60Hz
Video Amplifier Bandwidth 250 MHz / 2.5 Gbps per channel
Supported Video Resolutions 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
Color Depth 12-bits per channel (36-bit total)
Supported 3D Formats 1080p @23.98/24 Hz, 720p @59.94/60/50 Hz, bandwidth up to 250 MHz
Supported Audio Formats LPCM, DTS® Digital, Dolby® Digital, DTS-HD Master Audio™, Dolby TrueHD™
Input Power Requirement 5V DC, 2A
Power Consumption 5 Watts
Operating Temperature 0°C to +70°C
Operating Humidity 10% to 85% RH (no condensation)
Storage Temperature -10°C to +80°C
Storage Humidity 5% to 90% RH (no condensation)
Dimensions 6 1/16" wide by 2 23/32" deep by 29/32" tall (1" including feet)
Weight 260 gm


I would appreciate any input.

Thanks.

Mark
post #974 of 1347
^^^

not sure about that one... this is the one i use with my radiance mini...

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011307&p_id=6192&seq=1&format=2
post #975 of 1347
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
not sure about that one... this is the one i use with my radiance mini...
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101&cp_id=10113&cs_id=1011307&p_id=6192&seq=1&format=2

Can you pass 1080p/24 through that switch?
post #976 of 1347
^^^

yup...
post #977 of 1347
Hey guys help me out here. What is the difference between the xd and the xe? I know the xe supports 3d and 1.4 hdmi, but is that the only difference? Would you still buy the xd if you didnt care about 3d and got it for a good price? I have a buddy that is trying to sell me the xd and I wanted to ask you guys first because I trust the AVS forum. Thanks
post #978 of 1347
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but even the XD can do 3D with the neccessary software key. The main difference is that the XD doesn't pass bitstream HD audio codecs from BD. If you can get a XD at a good price, go for it.
post #979 of 1347
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

Hey guys help me out here. What is the difference between the xd and the xe? I know the xe supports 3d and 1.4 hdmi, but is that the only difference? Would you still buy the xd if you didnt care about 3d and got it for a good price? I have a buddy that is trying to sell me the xd and I wanted to ask you guys first because I trust the AVS forum. Thanks

Hello.

I have a XD. I bought the 3D upgrade a few days ago and now XD can process 3D signal as well as XE.

The only difference with XE is XD can not pass HBR audio in bitstream format but only in LPCM up to 7.1@192 KHz.
post #980 of 1347
That is fine with me because I will just run the bluray through the avr. Thanks guys for the reply. I picked it up already. I could not pass on this deal. I have been eyeballing the lumagen processors for a while now.
post #981 of 1347
I was planning on routing the HDMI signal from my Xbox 360 through the Raidance XS-3D, but was wondering if there would be any delay issues for a casual gamer?

Thanks.

Mark
Edited by giomania - 7/16/12 at 1:22pm
post #982 of 1347
When you purchase a used Radiance video processor do that following.

1. Load the latest software, which is available from our website.
(For the XD use the latest 3D software which is also the latest software for 2D units.)
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=updates

2. Do a factory reset by pressing "Menu 0999".

3. Save the new settings by pressing "Menu, Save, Ok, Ok, Ok".

4. Download the latest product manual and technical tips from our website.
(For the XD download the latest XE manual and ignore any references to the high definition audio formats.)
http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=manuals

We offer a 3D key to add 3D support to the RadianceXD. We also offer a XD to XE upgrade for the RadianceXD. Contact Lumagen for further details.

Best regards,
Randy Freeman
post #983 of 1347
Thanks Randy for the info again. That is a great sale you were telling me on the phone about the upgrade!
post #984 of 1347
I have a radiance XD (for about 5 years now) and am trying to improve my gaming experience. My main issue is image blur which is likely related to my anamorphic lens setup (it's an older prismasonic) but I'm also wondering if I have lag induced by the lumagen as well.

Basically I do much better playing on our second xbox which is direct connected to a sony 52" LCD tv and my son and I fight about who gets stuck in the movie theater to play.

I think if I recall that the XD will not process 1080p signal, but is it inducing lag in any way? I haven't updated my firmware probably in 3-4 years, not sure if that would help.

I'm willing to buy new equipment - projector to get rid of lens, new processor, whatever, but I'd like to keep it under 3-4K if possible but I want to have a setup that is just as good as the LCD tv.

I would just buy a new TV but we don't have the room to do it.
post #985 of 1347
Update your firmware! In spring of 2010 the firmware was upgraded to add a gamemode for reduced processing and minimized lag on already progressive signals.

Also make sure to enable to genlock and framerate lock for this input. The lag introduced by the Radiance is very, very small and you should not be able to detect it. The problem is projectors tend to have immense lag, so if you're going to buy something new, make sure it's optimized for gaming.
post #986 of 1347
OK,

I am trying to get my head around how I am going to set up my Radiance XS-3D given all my sources and displays. So, I created a little document to help me in the process; see attached.

I have the Input memory resolution and output config memory and resolution assignments in the default configuration. The idea is that I will modify the particular cells as I make changes to the various parameters.

Any input on this document would be welcome.

Thanks.

Mark

Edit: Alot of changes to the document as my knowledge has increased while reading (and re-reading) the pertinent sections of the manual. I am now thinking that maybe I won't need to utilize all the input memories for the sources coming from my 4x4 HDMI switch, but we will see how they "behave" (EDID) when I get this all set up. I do have some anomalies with the RS-35 to account for, as noted in the last page of the document; this information was gleaned from Greg Rogers' review of the RS-35 in WSR circa 2010.
Edited by giomania - 7/26/12 at 6:56am
post #987 of 1347
Can you make that file a pdf. file or something else. I don't know what program to view the file in.
post #988 of 1347
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

Can you make that file a pdf. file or something else. I don't know what program to view the file in.
Excel
post #989 of 1347
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Originally Posted by Fudoh View Post

Update your firmware! In spring of 2010 the firmware was upgraded to add a gamemode for reduced processing and minimized lag on already progressive signals.
Also make sure to enable to genlock and framerate lock for this input. The lag introduced by the Radiance is very, very small and you should not be able to detect it. The problem is projectors tend to have immense lag, so if you're going to buy something new, make sure it's optimized for gaming.

I did update firmware, but not sure how I get "game mode" on. I run both blu-ray and xbox360 projector input from my denon receiver hdmi input so I don't switch inputs on the radiance.
post #990 of 1347
Game mode can be activated within the input configuration. When you enable the gamemode, deinterlacing and postprocessing gets disabled, as the Gennum processor is simply bypassed in this mode. Just give it a try to see if it makes a "feelable" difference to your playing experience.
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