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post #1051 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Mike25690 View Post


On another note, there was a recent post asking if the Kuro panels would retain settings for each AV mode on the same input. I'm not sure if the XX20s do, but my 151 does. I was running in movie mode, then switched over to the break-in DVD, and changed the settings. This morning I switched back to movie mode, and all my settings were still there; I'm only using one of the HDMI inputs, coming from my Denon 3808ci. Good to know.

Only the standard picture mode will let you do this. Whatever changes you make to every other picture mode will be the same across all inputs.
post #1052 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

I think D-Nice has seen one without this effect. I've only seen the one I currently have.

You may or may not believe this, but I can see the same effect from at least a couple posts where people have posted images of their 151FD with the same "issue". I can see the effect even without enhancing the image, and that's an image from a digital camera that's showing on my computer monitor! I've even pointed it out to at least one person, but I don't want to keep pointing it out to others where I see the effect as I don't want to upset the others who I point that out to. If they don't see it, I'd rather they never see it! Here's an old post where I point out they have the same "situation" as I do. I think you might find interesting...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post14134422

Oh, and then this guy's response where he tells me I'm absolutely right...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14134575



By the way, in case you have not seen, here's my post from the very first day I received my 151FD.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post14107560

At the end of the post, you can see where I talk about having noticed it and hoping I will not see it during regular video programming.

At the end of the day, if I really had to, I could probably live with it because I don't see it most of the time. But I do see it now and then with certain type of video situations. At the same time...I should at least try to take care of the problem sooner rather than later while I easily still can.

Also, when the new one arrives, I'm going to test it out while the delivery people are still here and if it has the same situation, I'll probably keep the one I already have unless the newer one does a better job.

I'm sorry you're having problems, Barnman. I do see the effect that you are talking about. IMO, though, you are going to be hard-pressed to find what you would consider a perfect screen (in fact, I'm not sure it exists). Just like buzz, I think most of these units will have this slight blotchy effect (with solid color images like the break-in dvd) to one degree or another. I am pretty surprised that you can see it with normal programming from your seating distance. Maybe yours is particularly bad.

It also seems like a little bit of a stretch to me that you can see it on crappy digital photos that others have posted of their screens. IMO, that could be any number of variables, camera settings, lighting conditions, etc.

I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I'm not at all convinced that it's abnormal.
post #1053 of 30260
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Originally Posted by DFletcher View Post

I got my 151HD today. I'm running the BreakIn DVD.

I don't hear any buzz, and I'm very happy overall.

I hope the motion improves. Watching some things right after I set it up made me a little bit seasick.

My old Fujitsu didn't have this problem, that I remember.

Maybe you got seasick because you're not used to watching such a large, vivid screen? Maybe it was a particularly poor source?

These Pioneers have some of the very best motion processing that $ can buy, so I don't think there is a problem with the TV. That's one of the major advantages of them, IMO - they make even poor sources look good.

Everything I've thrown at my 151 looks terrific. I have been watching highlights of my favorite college football team from a 720p .wmv file (the worst quality source I've tested) on a USB flashdrive and the 151 makes it look great.
post #1054 of 30260
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Originally Posted by FocusedOne View Post

Only the standard picture mode will let you do this. Whatever changes you make to every other picture mode will be the same across all inputs.

I put in settings for the Movie mode; then I switched to Standard and changed everything to the break-in settings. When I now switch from Standard back to Movie, and vice versa, my settings in both modes are there.

I guess that's all I'll need for the time being; movie mode certainly looks the best to me. I just bump up brightness/contrast a couple of points for daytime viewing.
post #1055 of 30260
We joined the 151 camp last week, love out set thus far

I bought it at a local independent B&M, my son picked it up and the 2 of us set it up. Setup no real problem for the 2 of us, all went well

We used D-Nice 8g settings initially and that seemed way better than the out of box settings. I just saw some new posted settings and we will continue to dial the set it. Even my wife now gets it, she never "saw" much of a difference in PQ with the set we replaced.

No dead pixels and no buzz unless I stick my ear right next to the screen

A couple of observations I haven't heard much mention of

- We have 2 other plasmas so I know they generate heat. But the 151 really "cooks". Perhaps it's the room and the fact we walk closely to the set ( and the 60" size ) but the heat is pretty noticeable. Fortunately, the room a/c vent is close and helps to mitigate heat

- The black bezel/stand is a dust magnet. Keep a cloth nearby

All in all, we're very pleased with our new set
post #1056 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Rick Johnston View Post

A couple of observations I haven't heard much mention of

- We have 2 other plasmas so I know they generate heat. But the 151 really "cooks". Perhaps it's the room and the fact we walk closely to the set ( and the 60" size ) but the heat is pretty noticeable. Fortunately, the room a/c vent is close and helps to mitigate heat

I agree. When I walk by my 6020 after it's been on for a while, it's like walking next to a radiator. Probably a benefit in the Winter, but my house has no a/c, so in the Summer, not so cool.
post #1057 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Mycroft1888 View Post

not so cool.

*rimshot*
post #1058 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Mike25690 View Post

I put in settings for the Movie mode; then I switched to Standard and changed everything to the break-in settings. When I now switch from Standard back to Movie, and vice versa, my settings in both modes are there.

I guess that's all I'll need for the time being; movie mode certainly looks the best to me. I just bump up brightness/contrast a couple of points for daytime viewing.


I was just explaining how the picture mode settings work and what can be saved.

You can have a different set of settings for only standard mode under each input. For example, you can have the break-in settings saved on standard mode for input 6, and the reference settings saved in standard mode on input 5. Whatever settings you made to movie mode will be the same on inputs 1,2,3,4,5,6 and 7.
post #1059 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Mike25690 View Post


On another note, there was a recent post asking if the Kuro panels would retain settings for each AV mode on the same input. I'm not sure if the XX20s do, but my 151 does.

The reason I posted is because this is only partially correct. The 151 can retain unique settings for each AV mode on the same input. However, standard mode is the only AV mode that unique settings can be saved across all inputs - you can have different settings for standard mode on inputs 1-7. But the rest of the AV modes can only store (1) set of settings - the settings you make on movie mode will be the same on inputs 1-7. Movie mode will be the same on all inputs.
post #1060 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Rick Johnston View Post

We have 2 other plasmas so I know they generate heat. But the 151 really "cooks". Perhaps it's the room and the fact we walk closely to the set ( and the 60" size ) but the heat is pretty noticeable. Fortunately, the room a/c vent is close and helps to mitigate heat

That's interesting because I feel like my 151 runs particularly cool compared to other plasmas I've experienced, especially for a 60 inch. It is noticeably cooler than my samsung 5053, and that's only a 50 inch set. Even during the break-in period when I was very concerned about heat, I thought that the set never got much more than luke warm (this was monitoring the top, backside of the panel, where most of the heat builds/escapes). I keep the house at about 73-76 degrees. I also used the ceiling fan to help circulate air in the room. I have the powersave modes off and am using full brightness as well.
post #1061 of 30260
Here are some pics of my setup.

What appears to be scratching or cracking on the glass in the upper right of the Elton John pic is actually a reflection of a branch outside my window.
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post #1062 of 30260
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Originally Posted by FocusedOne View Post

That's interesting because I feel like my 151 runs particularly cool compared to other plasmas I've experienced, especially for a 60 inch. It is noticeably cooler than my samsung 5053, and that's only a 50 inch set. Even during the break-in period when I was very concerned about heat, I thought that the set never got much more than luke warm (this was monitoring the top, backside of the panel, where most of the heat builds/escapes). I keep the house at about 73-76 degrees. I also used the ceiling fan to help circulate air in the room. I have the powersave modes off and am using full brightness as well.

I have to agree with this as even when I ran the Breakin for 6 days my 151 ran cool. Not hot at all. It may be based on how far from the wall and if its mounted or not. I am currently using the stand
post #1063 of 30260
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Originally Posted by cydog3 View Post

I have to agree wit hthis as even when I ran the Breakin for 6 days my 151 ran cool. Not hot at all. It may be based on how far from the wall and if its mounted or not. I am currently using the stand

Good point, my set is on the stand as well.
post #1064 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Mike25690 View Post

Here are some pics of my setup.

What appears to be scratching or cracking on the glass in the upper right of the Elton John pic is actually a reflection of a branch outside my window.

Just curious, was there a reason you left the speakers attached?
post #1065 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

I think D-Nice has seen one without this effect. I've only seen the one I currently have.

You may or may not believe this, but I can see the same effect from at least a couple posts where people have posted images of their 151FD with the same "issue". I can see the effect even without enhancing the image, and that's an image from a digital camera that's showing on my computer monitor! I've even pointed it out to at least one person, but I don't want to keep pointing it out to others where I see the effect as I don't want to upset the others who I point that out to. If they don't see it, I'd rather they never see it! Here's an old post where I point out they have the same "situation" as I do. I think you might find interesting...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post14134422

Oh, and then this guy's response where he tells me I'm absolutely right...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14134575



By the way, in case you have not seen, here's my post from the very first day I received my 151FD.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post14107560

At the end of the post, you can see where I talk about having noticed it and hoping I will not see it during regular video programming.

At the end of the day, if I really had to, I could probably live with it because I don't see it most of the time. But I do see it now and then with certain type of video situations. At the same time...I should at least try to take care of the problem sooner rather than later while I easily still can.

Also, when the new one arrives, I'm going to test it out while the delivery people are still here and if it has the same situation, I'll probably keep the one I already have unless the newer one does a better job.

Barnman,
Sorry if you have already stated this but do the "blotches" move around on the screen or are they fixed on the screen?

I will have to check tonight, but I think I may have seen these while running the break-in disc but I certainly haven't noticed any "blotches" during regular viewing.
post #1066 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Nickff View Post

Just curious, was there a reason you left the speakers attached?

Can't speak for him, but IMO it looks better and more theatrical.
post #1067 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Rick Johnston View Post

- We have 2 other plasmas so I know they generate heat. But the 151 really "cooks". Perhaps it's the room and the fact we walk closely to the set ( and the 60" size ) but the heat is pretty noticeable. Fortunately, the room a/c vent is close and helps to mitigate heat

- The black bezel/stand is a dust magnet. Keep a cloth nearby

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Originally Posted by Mycroft1888 View Post

I agree. When I walk by my 6020 after it's been on for a while, it's like walking next to a radiator. Probably a benefit in the Winter, but my house has no a/c, so in the Summer, not so cool.

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Originally Posted by FocusedOne View Post

That's interesting because I feel like my 151 runs particularly cool compared to other plasmas I've experienced, especially for a 60 inch. It is noticeably cooler than my samsung 5053, and that's only a 50 inch set. Even during the break-in period when I was very concerned about heat, I thought that the set never got much more than luke warm (this was monitoring the top, backside of the panel, where most of the heat builds/escapes). I keep the house at about 73-76 degrees. I also used the ceiling fan to help circulate air in the room. I have the powersave modes off and am using full brightness as well.


Mine cooks as well. It's set-up on the stand with plenty of room behind, cathedral ceilings above, and a ceiling fan running fairly fast in that room, and that thing gets hot to the touch along the top of the chassis. The panel itself is also very warm.

And yes, Rick, that acrylic bezel draws dust like an electronic air cleaner! It accumulates in little vertical stripes on mine...
post #1068 of 30260
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Originally Posted by FocusedOne View Post

Can't speak for him, but IMO it looks better and more theatrical.

I agree... I plan on putting the speakers on even though they will never be used.
post #1069 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Nickff View Post

Just curious, was there a reason you left the speakers attached?

Yes; I occasionally will connect an HDV camcorder to the 151, using the side HDMI input, and that way I can view my footage with audio without using the rest of the system.
post #1070 of 30260
It's very, very warm. Like a radiator, actually.

My window air conditioner is really struggling to keep the room cool.
post #1071 of 30260
I have used the speakers as my center channel, but I'm not actually real satisfied with this. The speakers have too much separation.

I may mount my original center speaker above the plasma, but this will ruin the overall aesthetic design of the home theater, which looks fantastic right now.
post #1072 of 30260
Anybody have any luck getting rid of there stuck pixels? I think there were 2 other people with 111's that had found a stuck pixel in their panel. Unfortunatley I just had one pop up after having the set for 4 days.

I thought if you were to have a stuck pixel you would see it as soon as you turn the set on. I didnt realize they can still emerge days after breaking in the set such as in my case. Just wondering what worked for someone else and if anyone just had one go away over time.
post #1073 of 30260
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Originally Posted by QQQ99999 View Post

Barnman,
Sorry if you have already stated this but do the "blotches" move around on the screen or are they fixed on the screen?

I will have to check tonight, but I think I may have seen these while running the break-in disc but I certainly haven't noticed any "blotches" during regular viewing.

I was the guy that confirmed Barnman's assessment of my crappy digital pics.

The blotch I was seeing was only on the all-white screens of the break-in DVD, and it lessened considerably after 100 hours. I am unable to detect it during normal content and have not been able to detect it during dark screens.

My most pressing concerns now are the fact that I sit in the direct axis of the loudest buzzing (meaning I can hear it through dialog and quiet parts), and my flaky pixel (which is undetectable from my viewing distance, but bugs me nonetheless).
post #1074 of 30260
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Originally Posted by rlarsen462 View Post

I was the guy that confirmed Barnman's assessment of my crappy digital pics.

The blotch I was seeing was only on the all-white screens of the break-in DVD, and it lessened considerably after 100 hours. I am unable to detect it during normal content and have not been able to detect it during dark screens.


Good to hear.

Hope there's no offense taken there, I was in no way commenting on the quality of your camera
post #1075 of 30260
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Originally Posted by luvnhateSony View Post

Anybody have any luck getting rid of there stuck pixels? I think there were 2 other people with 111's that had found a stuck pixel in their panel. Unfortunatley I just had one pop up after having the set for 4 days.

I thought if you were to have a stuck pixel you would see it as soon as you turn the set on. I didnt realize they can still emerge days after breaking in the set such as in my case. Just wondering what worked for someone else and if anyone just had one go away over time.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...27097&page=220
LTCJack just had his go away, keep running animated DVD's
post #1076 of 30260
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Originally Posted by FocusedOne View Post

Good to hear.

Hope there's no offense taken there, I was in no way commenting on the quality of your camera

I might have actually been offended if you were disparaging my camera. My photographic skills, on the other hand, are fair game.

I wish that the blotching was my only problem.
post #1077 of 30260
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Originally Posted by rlarsen462 View Post

I might have actually been offended if you were disparaging my camera. My photographic skills, on the other hand, are fair game.

I wish that the blotching was my only problem.

Did you decide to return yours?
post #1078 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

I think D-Nice has seen one without this effect. I've only seen the one I currently have.

You may or may not believe this, but I can see the same effect from at least a couple posts where people have posted images of their 151FD with the same "issue". I can see the effect even without enhancing the image, and that's an image from a digital camera that's showing on my computer monitor! I've even pointed it out to at least one person, but I don't want to keep pointing it out to others where I see the effect as I don't want to upset the others who I point that out to. If they don't see it, I'd rather they never see it! Here's an old post where I point out they have the same "situation" as I do. I think you might find interesting...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post14134422

Oh, and then this guy's response where he tells me I'm absolutely right...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14134575



By the way, in case you have not seen, here's my post from the very first day I received my 151FD.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post14107560

At the end of the post, you can see where I talk about having noticed it and hoping I will not see it during regular video programming.

At the end of the day, if I really had to, I could probably live with it because I don't see it most of the time. But I do see it now and then with certain type of video situations. At the same time...I should at least try to take care of the problem sooner rather than later while I easily still can.

Also, when the new one arrives, I'm going to test it out while the delivery people are still here and if it has the same situation, I'll probably keep the one I already have unless the newer one does a better job.

I went through the same thing you did. Its inherit in Plasma design (RGB flashes). I think Pioneer has little bit more of that 'noise' but I think it was a design choice. It gives a filmier look to movies etc. Jumping from a super clean LCD to that was a bit different at first.. now I don't see a difference and I barely pay attention to it.

Granted I don't have a plasma in the room anymore... My sensitivity to it died in about a week.
post #1079 of 30260
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Did you decide to return yours?

I have until the 21st, but since I essentially have nothing to lose (as if the next unit is worse than this one, I can just keep this one I'm waffling on), it's pretty likely I'm going to have them send out a fresh unit. I'm just praying if I get a buzzless pixel-perfect display (out of the box) that it doesn't develop a bad pixel a few days after they've already removed the old set from my house, since it has ~200 hours on it now and I feel that the problems it has now are all it's going to continue to have.

Stupid big box stores.
post #1080 of 30260
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Originally Posted by rlarsen462 View Post

I was the guy that confirmed Barnman's assessment of my crappy digital pics.

The blotch I was seeing was only on the all-white screens of the break-in DVD, and it lessened considerably after 100 hours. I am unable to detect it during normal content and have not been able to detect it during dark screens.

My most pressing concerns now are the fact that I sit in the direct axis of the loudest buzzing (meaning I can hear it through dialog and quiet parts), and my flaky pixel (which is undetectable from my viewing distance, but bugs me nonetheless).

Thanks rlarsen

I will take a closer look for the blotching tonight, though since I haven't noticed it during regular programming, I probably shouldn't. The buzzing has been pretty quiet so far on mine, only audible within the first few feet of the display (I hope that it doesn't get any worse) but when I am that close I can definitely tell by the volume of the buzz when the all white slide is showing.

Good luck with yours.
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