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post #12121 of 28692
Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumpapi View Post

I just got a new love seat kind of couch and now i notice that my tv is not on the same centered eye level i once had it.

What can i purchase aside from my area rug beneath the legs of my loveseat to help increase the high of the love seat, so that eye level is more centered.

I have the kuro 60 inch

What procedure did you use to burn in the set? If you used the recommended method it is OK to have the set not more than 2" above center. If you did not use the recommended burn in procedure then you are going to have lower the mount. Pioneer will not honor your warranty if you do not follow these recommendations to the letter.
post #12122 of 28692
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Originally Posted by amill94 View Post

In that picture they are toed in using the flashlight trick. Light is on the inside 1/4 of the panel. Also, I am using carpet spikes. The do sound great.

ok dumb question whats the flashlight trick
post #12123 of 28692
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Originally Posted by bluemark81 View Post

I don't think I will be able to wait 150-200hrs to break the tv in using the break-in disk when it arrives. Wouldn't it be good enough to just make sure my viewing is full screen imagery for the first 200 hrs or so and while I'm not watching it, perhaps use the break-in disk?

Would this be adequate for then using D-Nice's calibration settings?

This has been suggested many times and IMHO is the most pragmatic solution for anyone intent on breaking-in the set, but want to enjoy it at the same time. Since there is no clear consensus just do a combo!
post #12124 of 28692
For those interested in more specifics on Pioneer's announced departure from the television business, here you go:

-- Complete shutdown of the TV division won't happen until March 2010. There will still be about 290,000 units to ship over the current fiscal year, (down from 460,000 last year).
-- Pioneer is shelving plans to start making LCD panels sourced from Sharp, which owns 15% of Pioneer.
-- It is not yet clear how and when another TV manufacturer might procure Pioneer's exisiting technical and R&D assets in the TV space.


Quote:
Originally Posted by akubilius View Post

Pioneer is exiting display business due to restructuring. Amen to Kuro and infinite contrast prototype from CES two years ago. 151 and 141 were the last Elites we will have.

Deepest sympathies to all Kuro fans. It was fun.
post #12125 of 28692
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Originally Posted by cydog3 View Post

ok dumb question whats the flashlight trick

http://www.tr.martinlogan.com/faq/fa...tic.html#faq11
post #12126 of 28692
I got around doing the firmware on my 151 but after I unplug the set insert USB and re-attach power it turns on and goes into media gallery but just displays the update folder and never does the upgrade. It says it should take 30 seconds on the blue LED . I left mine for 30 min and nothing happen

Any thoughts

Note
I ordered the Pioneer USB today in case its an issue with my usb drive
post #12127 of 28692
Quote:
Originally Posted by platinumpapi View Post

I just got a new love seat kind of couch and now i notice that my tv is not on the same centered eye level i once had it.

What can i purchase aside from my area rug beneath the legs of my loveseat to help increase the high of the love seat, so that eye level is more centered.





I have the kuro 60 inch

Booster seat?
post #12128 of 28692
I've copied the break-in files onto a thumbdrive from here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1053444

It appears that these are a series of 20 jpg files of different solid colors. I assume that this can be set to display as a slideshow when the thumbdrive is inserted into the 151? Can the time that each file is displayed be set? How long should each image be up?

After the 20 images are displayed, will it automatically replay them?
post #12129 of 28692
Quote:
Originally Posted by cydog3 View Post

ok dumb question whats the flashlight trick


I use laser pointers, that you can purchase for under $5.00.

What I do is, place a laser on my speaker, then aim speaker at a head (Wife or pillow) great for accurate placement.

HH
post #12130 of 28692
Jeff Meier (UMR) calibrated my Pro-151 a few days ago as well as my audio system. My doorbell rang at exactly 9 am as scheduled. Jeff introduced himself, came in and promptly started to set up his gear. Only about 10 minutes passed and suddenly all the power in the neighborhood went off ! I could hardly believe it! There was some strong wind storms in our area the day before but that day all was fine. Jeff said they are probably working on the lines and said he would wait to see if the power would come back on soon.

Jeff sat patiently and waited. I had several questions for him about my system and the calibration process. Jeff answered them all very thoroughly. He was chatting very calmly not upset at all about the current circumstances. I was not so calm as I thought my opportunity to get my 151 calibrated was slipping away. Jeff had another client scheduled later that day a state away and would have to leave by 2 pm to be on time.

Almost 2 hours later, just 20 minutes before the time he set to have enough time to do the job right, the power came back on and Jeff went to work! He started with the 151. I asked him to calibrate the ISF day and night modes. He asked me some questions about my viewing habits and preferences as he worked and made a few recommendations. Again he answered all my questions in a way I could understand without making me feel like any of my questions were dumb.

My wife was skeptical that calibration could improve the picture on this TV. Out of the box I did the break in procedure suggested by D-Nice to the letter and then used his pure mode settings - we loved the picture (thanks D-Nice !) But after Jeff finished calibrating the ISF day and night modes - it made a night and day difference in picture quality ! The improved brightness and color accuracy was not hard to see. I feel like I have a new TV!

Then Jeff went to work on my audio setup. I almost didn't request the audio calibration because I don't have a high end audio system (Denon AVR-2802 and small Polk Audio speakers) and I didn't think it would make that big of a difference - I was WRONG!! Jeff used special audio test equipment and found that my sub was out of phase and several other "game over" errors as he called them. All I know is that when he was done - and he spent a lot of time on the audio part - the sound from my audio has NEVER been better. He played the "House of Flying Daggers" BD (which I also own) after he was done. Amazing! I heard so many things that I didn't hear before.

Jeff went through the setup menus of ALL my components: Directv HD receiver, Dish VIP-622, Pioneer BDP-05FD and Denon 2802 to make sure they were set up properly - he did find several settings that needed to be changed - such attention to detail!

I decided to ask Jeff to calibrate my system after reading all the reviews for all the calibrators that have done 151's listed HERE (thanks htwaits!). Jeff seems to have some of the best, if not the best calibration equipment available. I asked him when he was here how many 151's he has calibrated, he answered "hundreds" - but then added he didn't think it was that experience that was his advantage as much as his attention to what can't entirely be measured by his instruments. He said the instruments measure only a relatively small number of data points. Then he has to make sure "the numbers" truly are giving the desired result. He used 3 different DVD's to look for color and black level accuracy to confirm what the numbers were telling him. ISF calibration is certainly based on science but I felt this calibrator was bringing the "art" needed to give the best result.

But finally what really sold me on Jeff was the reports of his friendly yet professional manner. I've had other HDTV's calibrated by 2 other ISF calibrators, one who ended up having a very negative and really strange personality.! But Jeff was a pleasure to work with! The fact that he was so patient and calm when the power went out and was willing to just sit and wait with me impressed me greatly. But today what impresses me is how happy I am with what I am seeing and hearing! I spent a lot on this TV and now I feel that it is performing at the top of its potential.

If you have a Pro-151 then IMHO Jeff (UMR) is who you should hire to make it the best 151 it can be. Jeff obviously thinks a lot of the 151 - he owns one himself.

Rick
post #12131 of 28692
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick214 View Post

Jeff Meier (UMR) calibrated my Pro-151 a few days ago as well as my audio system. My doorbell rang at exactly 9 am as scheduled. Jeff introduced himself, came in and promptly started to set up his gear. Only about 10 minutes passed and suddenly all the power in the neighborhood went off ! I could hardly believe it! There was some strong wind storms in our area the day before but that day all was fine. Jeff said they are probably working on the lines and said he would wait to see if the power would come back on soon.

Jeff sat patiently and waited. I had several questions for him about my system and the calibration process. Jeff answered them all very thoroughly. He was chatting very calmly not upset at all about the current circumstances. I was not so calm as I thought my opportunity to get my 151 calibrated was slipping away. Jeff had another client scheduled later that day a state away and would have to leave by 2 pm to be on time.

Almost 2 hours later, just 20 minutes before the time he set to have enough time to do the job right, the power came back on and Jeff went to work! He started with the 151. I asked him to calibrate the ISF day and night modes. He asked me some questions about my viewing habits and preferences as he worked and made a few recommendations. Again he answered all my questions in a way I could understand without making me feel like any of my questions were dumb.

My wife was skeptical that calibration could improve the picture on this TV. Out of the box I did the break in procedure suggested by D-Nice to the letter and then used his pure mode settings - we loved the picture (thanks D-Nice !) But after Jeff finished calibrating the ISF day and night modes - it made a night and day difference in picture quality ! The improved brightness and color accuracy was not hard to see. I feel like I have a new TV!

Then Jeff went to work on my audio setup. I almost didn't request the audio calibration because I don't have a high end audio system (Denon AVR-2802 and small Polk Audio speakers) and I didn't think it would make that big of a difference - I was WRONG!! Jeff used special audio test equipment and found that my sub was out of phase and several other "game over" errors as he called them. All I know is that when he was done - and he spent a lot of time on the audio part - the sound from my audio has NEVER been better. He played the "House of Flying Daggers" BD (which I also own) after he was done. Amazing! I heard so many things that I didn't hear before.

Jeff went through the setup menus of ALL my components: Directv HD receiver, Dish VIP-622, Pioneer BDP-05FD and Denon 2802 to make sure they were set up properly - he did find several settings that needed to be changed - such attention to detail!

I decided to ask Jeff to calibrate my system after reading all the reviews for all the calibrators that have done 151's listed HERE (thanks htwaits!). Jeff seems to have some of the best, if not the best calibration equipment available. I asked him when he was here how many 151's he has calibrated, he answered "hundreds" - but then added he didn't think it was that experience that was his advantage as much as his attention to what can't entirely be measured by his instruments. He said the instruments measure only a relatively small number of data points. Then he has to make sure "the numbers" truly are giving the desired result. He used 3 different DVD's to look for color and black level accuracy to confirm what the numbers were telling him. ISF calibration is certainly based on science but I felt this calibrator was bringing the "art" needed to give the best result.

But finally what really sold me on Jeff was the reports of his friendly yet professional manner. I've had other HDTV's calibrated by 2 other ISF calibrators, one who ended up having a very negative and really strange personality.! But Jeff was a pleasure to work with! The fact that he was so patient and calm when the power went out and was willing to just sit and wait with me impressed me greatly. But today what impresses me is how happy I am with what I am seeing and hearing! I spent a lot on this TV and now I feel that it is performing at the top of its potential.

If you have a Pro-151 then IMHO Jeff (UMR) is who you should hire to make it the best 151 it can be. Jeff obviously thinks a lot of the 151 - he owns one himself.

Rick

What a great endorsement! I'm actually thinking of inviting UMR over for a beer and I haven't even gotten my 151 yet
post #12132 of 28692
Brief follow-up on my Pro151 delivered with the cracked panel. That delivery occurred 2 days after placing my order. The crack was discovered by the tech who delivered it and we immediately boxed it up and he returned it to the store in NY (I'm in Baltimore). Thereafter, I received follow-ups from the store and arrangements to ship a brand new unit 3 days later on Saturday - today, as I post. The van arrived from NY (4 hour trip) at 11 AM this morning and the new set was unboxed, setup and turned on for the first time - HEAVEN. After initial setup, I'm doing a mix break-in procedure. Bottom line so far:

I didn't mention this earlier, until I saw how it would play out. I bought this set at a very fair price from Robert at Value Elect. I have done previous business with him and also added a Pio Blu Ray 51FD and Elite AVR Receiver to this order with the Pro151. Serious money, to be sure, for serious equipment, but all very fairly priced and delivered and setup. Let's just say that, while I was disappointed in the original set with the crack (who wouldn't be?), I could tell it was not a delivery problem, but a manufacturer type issue - no box problems at all and shipped strapped and closed. There was never any question about how it would be handled and I have nothing but highest praise for Robert/Wendy and Value E. in the way they went about this whole thing.

So, as a new Kuro Pro151 owner, I am only too happy to recommend both the set and especially Robt and Value if they can serve your area. The service doesn't get better than this and I can only wonder at the problems I have read that others have had to suffer. Highest praise, Kuro Kudos and thanks to the VE team and to one of the last of the best Plasma TV's we'll likely see for a while.

I'd post pics, but there are plenty of those around and my early experience (cheating before break-in) shows similar stunning clarity of image. I am a happy Kuro owner, despite the early issue and look forward to tweaking and then calibrating to PQ Perfection.
post #12133 of 28692
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Originally Posted by amill94 View Post

I think I figured it out. I had the orbiter set to mode 2. When I turned the orbiter off, dot by dot fills the entire screen with no issues.

whewh!

I thought only one orbiter mode "worked with" Dot by Dot. Apparently when they say one does and one doesn't that means doesn't work "well" with dot by dot. Very odd.

amill94:

When you turn the PS3 to Force 24p now what do you see?
post #12134 of 28692
Hey all. I have the Elite PRO-1540HD 60" pre-Kuro plasma. My dealer called me and said he has a floor model 141 Signature series for a little over $5K (tax not included). I have tried to read through this huge thread. I am wondering if this is a good deal and if these Kuros are that much better than my 1540. Also is the 141 worth it over the 151. Finally, are the Elites worth the premium over the non-elite Kuros?

I love the picture of the 1540 out of the box (it has not been ISF'ed). I have found the posts on the technical differences between elites and non-elites, but am asking on a more subjective basis.

If this post is inappropriate in any way please delete it. Otherwise, thanks for any thoughts for this confused Pioneer fan.
post #12135 of 28692
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick214 View Post

Jeff Meier (UMR) calibrated my Pro-151 a few days ago as well as my audio system.

Thanks for the detailed calibration report. Waiting for the power to be restored has to make it the most suspenseful report I've read.

I've included your report in the flat panel (Post#2) list that's linked at the bottom of my post.

Enjoy ... as long as you have power.
post #12136 of 28692
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Originally Posted by heatwave3 View Post

What a great endorsement! I'm actually thinking of inviting UMR over for a beer and I haven't even gotten my 151 yet

In your situation, I would shoot for an invitation to UMR's house, and bring the beer.
post #12137 of 28692
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick214 View Post

Jeff Meier (UMR) calibrated my Pro-151 a few days ago as well as my audio system.

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after Jeff finished calibrating the ISF day and night modes - it made a night and day difference in picture quality ! The improved brightness and color accuracy was not hard to see. I feel like I have a new TV!

Thanks for your report..
post #12138 of 28692
I was trying to buy a 111 today at Best Buy. Of course none of the stores or the BB warehouse has any in the MD area. Should like lock in the sale price today for a March 10th delivery or wait to see if I can snag it somewhere else. Will they even get anymore in March now the Pioneer is out of the TV biz?
post #12139 of 28692
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Originally Posted by bpmurr View Post

I was trying to buy a 111 today at Best Buy. Of course none of the stores or the BB warehouse has any in the MD area. Should like lock in the sale price today for a March 10th delivery or wait to see if I can snag it somewhere else. Will they even get anymore in March now the Pioneer is out of the TV biz?

Lock it in and if you get a better price between now and then call them up and ask for a price change..
Sonny
post #12140 of 28692
Would someone who has the 151 mind measuring the locations of the wall mounting holes for me? I don't have the TV yet, but I want to prepare the wall mount. There appears to be two holes on each side. I need to know how far up from the bottom the bottom holes are and likewise, how far from the top the top holes are.

Thanks,
post #12141 of 28692
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Originally Posted by Sonnydigs View Post

Lock it in and if you get a better price between now and then call them up and ask for a price change..
Sonny

I'm worried about them actually getting new stock in March. From everything I'm reading there aren't a lot of 111's out in the warehouse. Plus will Best Buy continue to carry the line after Pioneer's announcement?
post #12142 of 28692
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Originally Posted by bpmurr View Post

I'm worried about them actually getting new stock in March. From everything I'm reading there aren't a lot of 111's out in the warehouse. Plus will Best Buy continue to carry the line after Pioneer's announcement?

You can also check with 6th ave, I bought my 6020 from them and had great service and price.. They also have a 30 price guarantee...
I say if it's what you want you may want to get it while you can, who knows how all this will work out..
Good luck...
Sonny
post #12143 of 28692
Quote:
Originally Posted by bpmurr View Post

I was trying to buy a 111 today at Best Buy. Of course none of the stores or the BB warehouse has any in the MD area. Should like lock in the sale price today for a March 10th delivery or wait to see if I can snag it somewhere else. Will they even get anymore in March now the Pioneer is out of the TV biz?

I'd lock it in now, just to ensure that you get one soon. But to clarify, they are not now "out of the TV biz." They expect to close that division by March 2010. (Pioneer notice.)
post #12144 of 28692
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Originally Posted by bluemark81 View Post

Would someone who has the 151 mind measuring the locations of the wall mounting holes for me? I don't have the TV yet, but I want to prepare the wall mount. There appears to be two holes on each side. I need to know how far up from the bottom the bottom holes are and likewise, how far from the top the top holes are.

Thanks,

Here's a page with detailed CAD drawings. Just select the 151 pdf.
post #12145 of 28692
Quote:
Originally Posted by bpmurr View Post

I'm worried about them actually getting new stock in March. From everything I'm reading there aren't a lot of 111's out in the warehouse. Plus will Best Buy continue to carry the line after Pioneer's announcement?

Yes. The out-of-stock date on Elites is end of June.
post #12146 of 28692
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Here's a page with detailed CAD drawings. Just select the 151 pdf.

Thanks:

I may get ridiculed for asking this, but do you think it would be sufficient to use only the top two mounting holes? I'm reusing my mounting bracket from my 58" Panasonic and due to the odd placement of the mounting holes on the Panny, I had to have the wall plate quite high on the wall. In order to position the 151 in the same vertical position, I would not be able to use the lower holes on the 151. I suspect I know what most will say, but thought I would ask in any case as I don't particularly want to relocate the plate as it is anchored into concrete behind the plaster wall in the basement.

Thanks
post #12147 of 28692
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Originally Posted by eldithomaso View Post

whewh!

I thought only one orbiter mode "worked with" Dot by Dot. Apparently when they say one does and one doesn't that means doesn't work "well" with dot by dot. Very odd.

amill94:

When you turn the PS3 to Force 24p now what do you see?

Mode 2 works with dot by dot. Mode 1 only works with all other screen size modes. 24p BD playback and my hd cable box fill the entire screen now, although I get white static type lines at the very top of my image on non hd content on some hd channels. So I use full for everything except bd. Is it bad to not use the orbiter? I know it helps reduce burn in, but I am very picky about content and don't have kids who don't know any better.
post #12148 of 28692
Hey fellow Buckeyes,

D-Nice is willing to make a calibration trip to Ohio if there are six of us. I have a Pioneer 5020 and I'm in. Anyone else?

He will calibrate any brand plasma or LCD. If interested, please PM D-Nice.

Thanks, Blue
post #12149 of 28692
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluemark81 View Post

Thanks:

I may get ridiculed for asking this, but do you think it would be sufficient to use only the top two mounting holes?

Thanks

Well, I won't ridicule you, but I personally wouldn't mount a 151 that way. Even assuming that your concrete anchors hold, and the Kuro's threaded inserts hold, I just wouldn't be comfortable distributing the weight of the panel in a way other than how it's designed to be distributed. I'd be concerned about torquing the glass.
post #12150 of 28692
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Originally Posted by amill94 View Post

Mode 2 works with dot by dot. Mode 1 only works with all other screen size modes. 24p BD playback and my hd cable box fill the entire screen now, although I get white static type lines at the very top of my image on non hd content on some hd channels. So I use full for everything except bd. Is it bad to not use the orbiter? I know it helps reduce burn in, but I am very picky about content and don't have kids who don't know any better.

I don't use it. But then I don't have extended periods with static images and blacks bars. Our content is really varied.
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