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post #12751 of 30268
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Do you mean the infamous buzz? That's similar to the sound a flourescent light can make.

What do you mean by "the IR box is going crazy?" What's an IR box?

yes that sound. and its starting to REALLY piss me off. my living room is very quiet so i hear everything. i already have the annoying sound of the Dvix fan..

please tell me there is something to do here.

as to the IR box.. i am talking about a Xantech 29901 IR Receiver (yeah its a small box...lol)
http://www.xantech.com/Infrared/Infr...RTRcvrs/29110/

Now i think i read that Plasma and these IRs dont like each other. but anything to do here?

but wow that sound is annoying me
post #12752 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Lorien View Post

yes that sound. and its starting to REALLY piss me off. my living room is very quiet so i hear everything. i already have the annoying sound of the Dvix fan..

please tell me there is something to do here.

The one thing that seems to help the most is switching the TV to Power Mode 2. Give that a try and see if it helps.

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as to the IR box.. i am talking about a Xantech 29901 IR Receiver (yeah its a small box...lol)
http://www.xantech.com/Infrared/Infr...RTRcvrs/29110/

Now i think i read that Plasma and these IRs dont like each other. but anything to do here?

but wow that sound is annoying me

Yes, I've heard that about plasmas as well, though I never experienced it with any of mine. It seems like the obvious solution would be to move the box further away from the TV. I realize that this may require longer cables running to your components, but if that receiver/repeater is vulnerable to interference, that may be necessary. Just curious- what components do you use the IR repeater for? Is your equipment stack hidden or far away from the TV?

PS: One more thought on you IR repeater. The Kuro has an IR repeater built in. Maybe you could locate the Xantech unit much further away and still be able to "point" your remote at the TV by running a blaster from the Kuro to the Xantech. I haven't actually tried that to check the function of the Kuro's IR repeater jack....but maybe?
post #12753 of 30268
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

The one thing that seems to help the most is switching the TV to Power Mode 2. Give that a try and see if it helps.

Yes, I've heard that about plasmas as well, though I never experienced it with any of mine. It seems like the obvious solution would be to move the box further away from the TV. I realize that this may require longer cables running to your components, but if that receiver/repeater is vulnerable to interference, that may be necessary. Just curious- what components do you use the IR repeater for? Is your equipment stack hidden or far away from the TV?

hmm going to try the Power2 now. thank you

The system is all in a closed cabinet. the receiver, the dvd, and the dvix all use this IR system. the small IR receiver is under my center speaker unseen. its a very clean setup. going to try and move it away from the system though i spent some time reading, and looks like they have some products which are plasma specific, only thing is, they cost 3 times the price (more like $200 per IR) but that might be the only choice. right now it works.. but it keeps the led blinking all the time.
post #12754 of 30268
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

The one thing that seems to help the most is switching the TV to Power Mode 2. Give that a try and see if it helps.

Yes, I've heard that about plasmas as well, though I never experienced it with any of mine. It seems like the obvious solution would be to move the box further away from the TV. I realize that this may require longer cables running to your components, but if that receiver/repeater is vulnerable to interference, that may be necessary. Just curious- what components do you use the IR repeater for? Is your equipment stack hidden or far away from the TV?

PS: One more thought on you IR repeater. The Kuro has an IR repeater built in. Maybe you could locate the Xantech unit much further away and still be able to "point" your remote at the TV by running a blaster from the Kuro to the Xantech. I haven't actually tried that to check the function of the Kuro's IR repeater jack....but maybe?

ok just had a look at the power settings
first, its off due to the whole break-in process per D-Nice's specs
and looking at mode 1 and 2.. they will effect the picture no?

as off is defined in the manual as "Provides normally bright pictures" which means the other two effect the PQ. am i wrong?

edit: i just called Pioneer UK. and the tech person said very comfortably that all their TVs make a noise and that is how it is. i guess ill have to live with it
post #12755 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Lorien View Post

ok just had a look at the power settings
first, its off due to the whole break-in process per D-Nice's specs
and looking at mode 1 and 2.. they will effect the picture no?

as off is defined in the manual as "Provides normally bright pictures" which means the other two effect the PQ. am i wrong?

edit: i just called Pioneer UK. and the tech person said very comfortably that all their TVs make a noise and that is how it is. i guess ill have to live with it

Forget about all that precision with the break-in settings. It really doesn't matter. Please do try Power Mode 2 and see if it helps. You don't have to live with it, no matter what Pioneer says.

Most people see absolutely no difference (in anything) with Power Mode 1, while some see anywhere from a slight loss of brightness to no difference with Power Mode 2. But for many, Mode 2 decreases the buzz to the point where you can no longer hear it from your seating position. It won't hurt anything to just try it. I've experienced that annoying buzz and you should not just accept it and let it diminish your enjoyment of such a great TV.
post #12756 of 30268
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Forget about all that precision with the break-in settings. It really doesn't matter. Please do try Power Mode 2 and see if it helps. You don't have to live with it, no matter what Pioneer says.

Most people see absolutely no difference (in anything) with Power Mode 1, while some see anywhere from a slight loss of brightness to no difference with Power Mode 2. But for many, Mode 2 decreases the buzz to the point where you can no longer hear it from your seating position. It won't hurt anything to just try it. I've experienced that annoying buzz and you should not just accept it and let it diminish your enjoyment of such a great TV.

OK cool. i will try right after the break-in later this week. got maybe 2 days to go. yeah!!!!
post #12757 of 30268
I have only had my 151FD since Friday and I am still enjoying the awesome picture this thing has.. I decided to give the Mummy installment a go last night and it was the first 2:35 movie I have watched. Since I haven't done any calibrating, I wasn't expecting a whole lot....but wow the picture looked good. The best part was, I couldn't tell where the black bars ended and the screen started!

The movie isn't very good, but the experience of my first Blu-Ray was very enjoyable..
post #12758 of 30268
[quote=Lorien;15898599]yes that sound. and its starting to REALLY piss me off. my living room is very quiet so i hear everything. i already have the annoying sound of the Dvix fan..

please tell me there is something to do here.

as to the IR box.. i am talking about a Xantech 29901 IR Receiver (yeah its a small box...lol)
http://www.xantech.com/Infrared/Infr...RTRcvrs/29110/


Now i think i read that Plasma and these IRs dont like each other. but anything to do here?

but wow that sound is annoying me[/QUOT
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Like the rest of us energy save mode 2 has helped. See if the video's reduced brightness bothers you more than the noise. The video is not bad at energy save two but a bit less bright etc.
post #12759 of 30268
Had my 151 calibrated by Jeff (umr) yesterday. All I can say is WOW!!!!
I think I said that word at least 10-15 times the three hours Jeff was here. Jeff did my Sammy 650 last year so I know how professional and what a friendly guy he is. I still have the 650 (which has a awesome picture btw) but after he did his magic on my 151 he took my hd to another level. I had been using the PURE mode before he arrived. I can tell you that out of the box this TV is the best I had ever seen. When Jeff got through with it he made it better!!!
I had him calibrate ISF day only because unlike some, I never watch TV with no light. I had 32fl. before calibration and now it is 40fl. That made a difference. The colors pop like never before and with the extra brightness, the blacks (believe it not) are so much blacker!!
I asked him to give me advice on the PureCinema. He said the ONLY gripe he has with this set (like others have posted, he has a 151 also along with a pretty decent fp.) is that the PC does not work right. It does cause motion artifacts on BR and cable or satellite. He turned PC off as he has his and will advise others to do the same.
Oh yea. I have a Sony HT-CT100 sound system. It is only a bar and sub. He made a few tweaks on it and I have surround sound now.lol
Bottom line here is. If you want to get the best out of your HT gear there is no one better than Jeff to get the maximum benefit.
post #12760 of 30268
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Originally Posted by Lorien View Post

OK cool. i will try right after the break-in later this week. got maybe 2 days to go. yeah!!!!

Lorien:
Please see this thread for more than you will probably ever want to know about this issue.

Enjoy your tv!
post #12761 of 30268
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Originally Posted by tigerfan33 View Post

Had my 151 calibrated by Jeff (umr) yesterday. All I can say is WOW!!!!
I think I said that word at least 10-15 times the three hours Jeff was here. Jeff did my Sammy 650 last year so I know how professional and what a friendly guy he is. I still have the 650 (which has a awesome picture btw) but after he did his magic on my 151 he took my hd to another level. I had been using the PURE mode before he arrived. I can tell you that out of the box this TV is the best I had ever seen. When Jeff got through with it he made it better!!!
I had him calibrate ISF day only because unlike some, I never watch TV with no light. I had 32fl. before calibration and now it is 40fl. That made a difference. The colors pop like never before and with the extra brightness, the blacks (believe it not) are so much blacker!!
I asked him to give me advice on the PureCinema. He said the ONLY gripe he has with this set (like others have posted, he has a 151 also along with a pretty decent fp.) is that the PC does not work right. It does cause motion artifacts on BR and cable or satellite. He turned PC off as he has his and will advise others to do the same.
Oh yea. I have a Sony HT-CT100 sound system. It is only a bar and sub. He made a few tweaks on it and I have surround sound now.lol
Bottom line here is. If you want to get the best out of your HT gear there is no one better than Jeff to get the maximum benefit.

Thanks for the report. I'm in hopes of having Jeff calibrate my set in April. I was watching Planet Earth last night and thought: How can this picture get any better? I guess I'll have to wait and see.
post #12762 of 30268
I have a quick question to ask of all you 'Elite' follks...
When I am wathcing cable (no cable box) and its on a unscrambled HD signal (eg NBC). The menu bar at the top of the screen (that shows the channel number and time) pops up on and off randomly...maybe once every 30 secs or so...
What's up with that?
Any help/suggestions would be appreciated
Thanks in advance
post #12763 of 30268
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Originally Posted by asiandude View Post

I have a quick question to ask of all you 'Elite' follks...
When I am wathcing cable (no cable box) and its on a unscrambled HD signal (eg NBC). The menu bar at the top of the screen (that shows the channel number and time) pops up on and off randomly...maybe once every 30 secs or so...
What's up with that?
Any help/suggestions would be appreciated
Thanks in advance

Something in your cable to tv is resetting the connection every now and then-probably on the cable side.

Joel
post #12764 of 30268
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Originally Posted by jmschnur View Post

Something in your cable to tv is resetting the connection every now and then-probably on the cable side.

Joel

Thanks Joel

But the Pioneer is the only TV in the house that is doing that (and all are fed from the same feed)
post #12765 of 30268
I would think a weak signal or a loose connection..make sure your wires are of good quality and that you are using high speed splitters and connectors
post #12766 of 30268
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Originally Posted by asiandude View Post

Thanks Joel

But the Pioneer is the only TV in the house that is doing that (and all are fed from the same feed)

Disconnect the other feeds and try the pioneer straight. If that helps work from there.

Joel
post #12767 of 30268
Quote:
Originally Posted by asiandude View Post

I have a quick question to ask of all you 'Elite' follks...
When I am wathcing cable (no cable box) and its on a unscrambled HD signal (eg NBC). The menu bar at the top of the screen (that shows the channel number and time) pops up on and off randomly...maybe once every 30 secs or so...
What's up with that?
Any help/suggestions would be appreciated
Thanks in advance

I have my cable directly into my 151 and I have not came across this problem. Like jmschnur said, it's probably on the cable side.
post #12768 of 30268
Okay, I finally pulled the trigger and ordered my PRO-151FD. I cannot wait to get this baby and get it installed. I have to admit a bit of intrepidation with the installation, break in, etc. but am overall truly excited to own such an excellent piece of hardware. I have read tons of posts out here and have gleened the following:

Regarding break-in; three trains of thought.

1. Use D-Nice's procedure ONLY by setting the TV hot and running the slides for 150 hours. This is the only way to consistently burn the phosphors off in a consistent way. OR;

2. Nah, don't worry about that. Just watch normal stuff taking care to not view any static images (including tickers, pillar boxes, logos, etc.) during a reasonable break-in period.

3. Do both. Watch the TV but when you're not watching it, set it up to do D-Nice's procedure. However, do NOT use D-Nice's settings to watch normal content.

Regarding inspection upon delivery.

1. Inspect carton for signs of damage or mistreatment.
2. Open the carton and inspect the screen with a bright flashlight for cracks.
3. Check the bezel for proper mounting.
4. Anything else? May not be able to power it up as things won't be ready for it just yet (i.e. wall mount, etc.).

Installing.

1. Carefully select the mounting position of the TV from a viewing perspective. Not too high!
2. Handle the TV only with the handles on the back.
3. Mount the brackets on the TV carefully. It says in the manual to lay the TV on its screen on a blanket on a table or floor. This gives me the creeps! Is that safe and ok?
4. Ideas for running the cables? What cables do I need? I am thinking that two HDMIs (DirecTV HD-DVR and Blu Ray (DVD right now)) and the power cord is it. Power cord in the wall? Or no way?

I appreciate any and all advice, suggestions, etc. Counting the days until delivery.
post #12769 of 30268
All:

Quick question for those of you who wall-mounted their Kuro with the Sanus articulating mount.

What sized bolts did you use to screw into the back of the television?

Did you have any problems with breaking of the lag bolts. If so, what type did you replace them with?

Were you able to attach the mount to the Kuro while it was still standing up, or did you have to lay the Kuro face down to screw it on (I'd really rather avoid this).

I'm also installing a power bridge with some 12/2 Romex. The Romex will be run down parallel to and next to the cable RG6 cable in the wall. Given that the Romex is functioning as an unshielded extension cord, will there be any EMI with the cable signal?

Any hints, tips you care to pass along?

Thanks in advance for your help!
post #12770 of 30268
Quote:
Originally Posted by tvshopper View Post

Okay, I finally pulled the trigger and ordered my PRO-151FD. I cannot wait to get this baby and get it installed. I have to admit a bit of intrepidation with the installation, break in, etc. but am overall truly excited to own such an excellent piece of hardware. I have read tons of posts out here and have gleened the following:

Regarding break-in; three trains of thought.

1. Use D-Nice's procedure ONLY by setting the TV hot and running the slides for 150 hours. This is the only way to consistently burn the phosphors off in a consistent way. OR;

2. Nah, don't worry about that. Just watch normal stuff taking care to not view any static images (including tickers, pillar boxes, logos, etc.) during a reasonable break-in period.

3. Do both. Watch the TV but when you're not watching it, set it up to do D-Nice's procedure. However, do NOT use D-Nice's settings to watch normal content.

Regarding inspection upon delivery.

1. Inspect carton for signs of damage or mistreatment.
2. Open the carton and inspect the screen with a bright flashlight for cracks.
3. Check the bezel for proper mounting.
4. Anything else? May not be able to power it up as things won't be ready for it just yet (i.e. wall mount, etc.).

Installing.

1. Carefully select the mounting position of the TV from a viewing perspective. Not too high!
2. Handle the TV only with the handles on the back.
3. Mount the brackets on the TV carefully. It says in the manual to lay the TV on its screen on a blanket on a table or floor. This gives me the creeps! Is that safe and ok?
4. Ideas for running the cables? What cables do I need? I am thinking that two HDMIs (DirecTV HD-DVR and Blu Ray (DVD right now)) and the power cord is it. Power cord in the wall? Or no way?

I appreciate any and all advice, suggestions, etc. Counting the days until delivery.

Regarding the break-in, I follow option 3. I wanted to do the 150 hours straight of slides, but I made the "mistake" of popping in a BD. It was over. I now only do slides overnight and while at work.
post #12771 of 30268
Ok, This may seem like a dumb question, but the background to the menus screens on the 111 have a black/gray/white vertical lines appearance to it. Is this normal?

Thanks
post #12772 of 30268
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmschnur View Post

Disconnect the other feeds and try the pioneer straight. If that helps work from there.

Joel

I will try this tonight...and if that takes care of it...then the Pioneer Tuner is probably less sensative than the Sony it replaced.
Maybe a in-line amp would help then.

Thanks for the tip Joel
post #12773 of 30268
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Originally Posted by mvp2005fan View Post

All:

Quick question for those of you who wall-mounted their Kuro with the Sanus articulating mount.

What sized bolts did you use to screw into the back of the television?

Did you have any problems with breaking of the lag bolts. If so, what type did you replace them with?

Were you able to attach the mount to the Kuro while it was still standing up, or did you have to lay the Kuro face down to screw it on (I'd really rather avoid this).

I'm also installing a power bridge with some 12/2 Romex. The Romex will be run down parallel to and next to the cable RG6 cable in the wall. Given that the Romex is functioning as an unshielded extension cord, will there be any EMI with the cable signal?

Any hints, tips you care to pass along?

Thanks in advance for your help!

I don't remember the actual screw size, but it was the next to the largest in the bag of screws, nuts, washers and bolts. They have short and long versions of this size screw in the bag. I used the short version.

I attached the mount while it was in the styrofoam cradle. If some of the styrofoam got in the way, I'd break off whatever piece was in the way. It worked really well.
post #12774 of 30268
Quote:
Originally Posted by mvp2005fan View Post

All:

Quick question for those of you who wall-mounted their Kuro with the Sanus articulating mount.

What sized bolts did you use to screw into the back of the television?

Did you have any problems with breaking of the lag bolts. If so, what type did you replace them with?

Were you able to attach the mount to the Kuro while it was still standing up, or did you have to lay the Kuro face down to screw it on (I'd really rather avoid this).

I'm also installing a power bridge with some 12/2 Romex. The Romex will be run down parallel to and next to the cable RG6 cable in the wall. Given that the Romex is functioning as an unshielded extension cord, will there be any EMI with the cable signal?

Any hints, tips you care to pass along?

Thanks in advance for your help!

I laid my 141 on the floor and attached everything. Didn't (and hasn't) caused a problem.
post #12775 of 30268
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Originally Posted by guerillaw View Post

I recently purchased a 111fd and am thrilled with all but one aspect. I am watching TV and blu rays, and gaming, in between running the break-in images and everything looks wonderful- except hd basketball. Now sd basketball also looks bad, but it always looks bad. HD sports on my old toshiba LCD (which the Kuro smokes in every other way) looked as good, if not better than what I see now. Dissapointing. the cloe-ups look great, but the ful court shots have an excessive grainy-ness that is distractiing.
I have a comcast cable box hooked up via HDMI sending 1080i (also tried 720p) and I use the settings on the first page of the settings thread.
Is pure cinema somehow hurting things? Is it just a sympton of the tv not being broken in yet? Any sugestions on different settings would be greatly appreciated.

This post freaks me out a little. What are others' experiences with watching fast motion sports on these displays? Sports is a primary source of material that my family and I watch. How will it do on the 151?
post #12776 of 30268
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Originally Posted by texasveteran View Post

I don't remember the actual screw size, but it was the next to the largest in the bag of screws, nuts, washers and bolts. They have short and long versions of this size screw in the bag. I used the short version.

Thanks--I'll pretrial those screws.

Quote:
Originally Posted by texasveteran View Post

I attached the mount while it was in the styrofoam cradle. If some of the styrofoam got in the way, I'd break off whatever piece was in the way. It worked really well.

My 151 is currently breaking-in on the stand. I was going to attach the bracket to the back while it's on the stand (supporting the bracket with a milk crate to keep the stand from tipping--I'm concerned; however, that if I don't support it adequately, this is just going to put a lot of stress on the panel--since the bracket is 60 pounds)

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Originally Posted by Nickff View Post

I laid my 141 on the floor and attached everything. Didn't (and hasn't) caused a problem.

That's good to hear--what did you lay your panel face down on? I've read the bezel scratches very, very easily. I was thinking of putting down a down comforter topped with a bamboo sheet--softest sheet in the house.

Did either of you have trouble with the included lag bolts--various reports say the bolts can shear off.

Found this on-line review of the Sanus VMDD26 with some good tips--therefore, I will be installing the gang plates and Powerbridge below the bracket instead of behind.

Thanks!
post #12777 of 30268
thanks all for the replies regarding the enjoyable buzz. i am going to test mode 2 and hopefully that will do the trick.

the good thing that came out of this? i learn that at age 38 my hearing is still good! yeah! and i thought that all these years listening to Jarre's Oxygen at incredibly high volumes messed that up. lucky me
post #12778 of 30268
Quote:
Originally Posted by mvp2005fan View Post

Thanks--I'll pretrial those screws.



My 151 is currently breaking-in on the stand. I was going to attach the bracket to the back while it's on the stand (supporting the bracket with a milk crate to keep the stand from tipping--I'm concerned; however, that if I don't support it adequately, this is just going to put a lot of stress on the panel--since the bracket is 60 pounds)



That's good to hear--what did you lay your panel face down on? I've read the bezel scratches very, very easily. I was thinking of putting down a down comforter topped with a bamboo sheet--softest sheet in the house.

Did either of you have trouble with the included lag bolts--various reports say the bolts can shear off.

Found this on-line review of the Sanus VMDD26 with some good tips--therefore, I will be installing the gang plates and Powerbridge below the bracket instead of behind.

Any comments on the PowerBridge install folks?

Thanks!

I've had some bolts shear off before, but not this mount. It was a smaller mount and I didn't pre-drill the holes. That was my fault. As long as you follow the directions, you'll be okay. I've tried pretty much every Sanus mount and I think they are good mounts.
post #12779 of 30268
What are people's feelings about running the power cord through the wall? I have to drop it about three to four feet inside a plaster wall. I want to do it this way so I can plug it into my Belkin UPS. Any other solution bypasses the Belkin and I really don't want to get an in-wall conditioner.
post #12780 of 30268
Quote:
Originally Posted by asiandude View Post

I will try this tonight...and if that takes care of it...then the Pioneer Tuner is probably less sensative than the Sony it replaced.
Maybe a in-line amp would help then.

Thanks for the tip Joel

Also, check the ground connection where the provider feed meets the house cabling, probably a splitter. I found mine had been attached to a pvc (plastic) pipe.
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