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post #1291 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Mike25690

On another note, there was a recent post asking if the Kuro panels would retain settings for each AV mode on the same input. I'm not sure if the XX20s do, but my 151 does. I was running in movie mode, then switched over to the break-in DVD, and changed the settings. This morning I switched back to movie mode, and all my settings were still there; I'm only using one of the HDMI inputs, coming from my Denon 3808ci. Good to know.
Only the standard picture mode will let you do this. Whatever changes you make to every other picture mode will be the same across all inputs.

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Originally Posted by FocusedOne View Post

I was just explaining how the picture mode settings work and what can be saved.

You can have a different set of settings for only standard mode under each input. For example, you can have the break-in settings saved on standard mode for input 6, and the reference settings saved in standard mode on input 5. Whatever settings you made to movie mode will be the same on inputs 1,2,3,4,5,6 and 7.

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Originally Posted by FocusedOne View Post

Only the standard picture mode will let you do this. Whatever changes you make to every other picture mode will be the same across all inputs.

I've discovered that I can have a different set of settings for EVERY A/V mode on the same input. I am running a single HDMI cable from my Denon 3808ci to the 151, connected to HDMI input 6. I am able to have different settings for not only standard, but for movie, pure, and performance as well. (Obviously this isn't possible with Optimum, and I haven't yet tried sport or game mode).

When I switch A/V modes, all of my settings are retained, even though they are different for each mode.
post #1292 of 30263
Pioneer has a optional stand for the 141.

-Robert
post #1293 of 30263
Okay, I received my 151 on Thursday. I am finally taking a break to give my impressions. First off, thanks to Robert at Value Electronics. Excellent service, excellent price, excellent communication!!! My 151 arrived in great shape. I advise anyone to go out and greet your delivery team. My set was delivered by one guy. The box does not have plasma on it, just Pioneer Elite Kuro, and my well intentioned delivery guy thought it was a lcd and was going to turn the set on its end and use a dolly to roll it out. After I said no, it was a plasma and it wasn't supposed to be turned on its end, he got a cart out and we lifted it on to the cart. He misjudged the weight of the box too, and had I not been there to help, my plasma would have fallen out of the back of the truck. After that initial horror, I inspected the box and everything looked good.

Once inside the house, unboxed the set, no broken glass, just one beautiful panel. Attached the wall mount. This set with a wall mount is heavy. My wife and I just barely got it on the wall. I thought I was going to have to call for some help, but we finally got it on the wall. The 151 looks a lot bigger than I thought it would. I had the space measured out, but it really doesn't sink in until you get the unit on the wall. Plugged the 151 in, and to my surprise, the tv came on. I guess the power switch had been pushed already because I didn't have to turn it on. That was a litte weird, but the unit was alive and kicking so I was happy. Attached an hdmi cable and an oppo 983 and planned to run the break-in disc, but instead watched Meet the Robinsons on dvd in pure mode and the stunned silence from my wife, 3 year old, and 5 month old, tells the story. This is a great tv. Best I have ever owned. I cannot believe the detail and color reproduction. I expected to want to calibrate the set some, but pure mode looks so good I don't even know where to start. I will wait Dnice's recommendations, but honestly, out of the box in pure mode, the set is stunning. I did run the break-in disc on the 4th most of the day. No blotching, no stuck or dead pixels. I have a perfect screen except for some fingerprints I have not been completely successful in wiping off with the cloth. I may have to use a little bit of water. Everything I have played on this tv so far has looked great. Animation, old black and white films, you name it, it looks good to me. The blacks are fantastic, and the color is wonderful. I haven't had a chance to check out OTA reception yet of HD material. I am still waiting for delivery of my antenna, but I will post a follow up on that and blu-ray content after I receive my pioneer blu-ray player in August.

As to the buzz issue which was my greatest fear. It is a non-issue for me. Definitely not noticeable in normal viewing conditions. The only time I have heard it was during the break-in disc on a completely white screen when my room was very quiet. During a movie, I had to stick my head up to the tv in order to hear the buzz. Can't hear it at all from my viewing location. So that was good news for me. Also I have several windows in my viewing area, and the glare is not an issue. Compared to my last tv, I can actually watch the 151 during the day. I couldn't say that for my old set.

All in all, I love this set. Highly recommend it to anyone!
post #1294 of 30263
Thanks for the kind words. Happy all is OK.

-Robert
post #1295 of 30263
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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer View Post

Pioneer has a optional stand for the 141.

-Robert

How much?..can you post a pic?
post #1296 of 30263
^^ I think I saw it on Pioneer's Europe site. It looks like the 151 pedestal. No price is expected till late August.

-Robert
post #1297 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Vonbek777 View Post

turn the set on its end, and it wasn't supposed to be turned on its end

what do you mean by "on it's end"? You mean placing the rectangular box in a vertical position as opposed to horizontally (such that the TV would be lying on it's side)? Seems to me it should be able to handle this, as the unit is held into place with foam. Why would an LCD be okay this way?

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Originally Posted by Vonbek777 View Post

stunned silence from my wife, 3 year old, and 5 month old

you mean your 5-month old realized he was watching a Pioneer Kuro?
post #1298 of 30263
Now that my 151FD is safely past its break-in period, I’ve been enjoying what to me is the most astounding PQ I’ve ever seen on a home display. However, I’m new to the world of HD so I’m wondering: What exactly should I be feeding my new Kuro to get the best from it? I’d also like to get some feedback on how others have their aspect ratio set up.

Until I get an AVR and BD player in the house, I’m hooked up only to my cable provider’s cable box DVR (via Component right now…no HDMI cable yet). Time Warner in my area uses the Scientific Atlanta 8300HD DVR. While I realize some of the available options are specific to this cable box, I’m hopeful the options I’ve listed will translate well enough to other SAT & cable boxes so that others can benefit.

With that in mind, would someone be so kind as to recommend what might be the best way for me to set the following options?

SET TOP BOX RESOLUTION OPTIONS
(Scientific Atlanta 8300HD DVR)

Set Picture Format:
1. Fixed
2. Pass-Through
3. Upconvert-1
4. Upconvert-2

If FIXED is chosen, another sub-set of menu options become available:

Picture Format:
1. 1080i720p
2. 480p
3. 480i Wide
4. 480p Standard
5. 480i Standard

What I've found so far is that if I set the above to FIXED and then choose one of the other options from the sub-menu, I don't get any "Handshake" or resolution switching stuff going on. The trouble is, I don't know if it's the STB or the 151FD that's doing the converting. My goal is to watch a mixture of SD and HD programing without having to reach for the remote all the time, but yet I don't wish to sacrifice PQ.

ASPECT RATIO OPTIONS:
The cable box also allows setting aspect ratio, but I don’t know if I should let it or the Pioneer panel handle it…or a mixture of both:

STB CHOICES:

1. Normal
2. Stretch
3. Zoom 1
4. Zoom 2


PIONEER MENU CHOICES:

1. Natural
2. Off
3. Wide-Zoom

(Depending on the choices above I see there’s also the choice of Side Bar Mask, Option 1 and Option 2.)

Now if that weren’t enough, I’m sure that once my AVR gets here there will be more choices. But if I understand things correctly, I should just set the AVR to PASS THROUGH whatever choices I’ve made above? Corrrect?

Then…as far as DVD is concerned, it's best to set the player to 480i output, connect up through the AVR...and again set the AVR to Pass-Through? Same scenario with BD, except...set the player to output 1080p...and again set the AVR to Pass-Through?

While I’ve picked up bits and pieces here and there on what’s good to use for these menu options, I thought it couldn’t hurt to consolidate them all together in this thread. As I said, I'm sure I'm not the only one that could benefit from other AVS member's responses.

Thanks.
post #1299 of 30263
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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer View Post

Pioneer has a optional stand for the 141.

-Robert

But does the 151FD stand work with it if you already have one?
post #1300 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Shutterman View Post

SET TOP BOX RESOLUTION OPTIONS
(Scientific Atlanta 8300HD DVR)

Set Picture Format:
1. Fixed
2. Pass-Through
3. Upconvert-1
4. Upconvert-2


Pass-Through

Quote:


Picture Format:
1. 1080i720p
2. 480p
3. 480i Wide
4. 480p Standard
5. 480i Standard


1080i, 720p, 480i standard

Quote:


ASPECT RATIO OPTIONS:
The cable box also allows setting aspect ratio, but I don't know if I should let it or the Pioneer panel handle itor a mixture of both:

STB CHOICES:

1. Normal
2. Stretch
3. Zoom 1
4. Zoom 2


Normal


Quote:


PIONEER MENU CHOICES:

1. Natural
2. Off
3. Wide-Zoom

(Depending on the choices above I see there's also the choice of Side Bar Mask, Option 1 and Option 2.)

Off. Switch to a 480i channel and set your stretch mode to Wide or Cinema. Then switch to a 1080i or 720p channel and set your stretch mode to Full or Dot-by-Dot.
post #1301 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Nambit View Post

But does the 151FD stand work with it if you already have one?

I'm not 100% sure, but I do not think so as the chassis are quite different.

-Robert
post #1302 of 30263
I'm sitting here watching HD baseball on my Kuro. All I can say is WOW! I thought sports on my 60" SXRD would be impossible to beat, but I think the Kuro is actually better. Such clarity, deep colors, deep blacks, and absolutely none of that nauseating motion flutter you see on LCDs. I could really get used to this.
post #1303 of 30263
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

...Switch to a 480i channel and set your stretch mode to Wide or Cinema. Then switch to a 1080i or 720p channel and set your stretch mode to Full or Dot-by-Dot.

Straight from the Godfather himself! Thanks, D.

I suppose, then, my head's screwed on correctly on this part?

Now if that weren't enough, I'm sure that once my AVR gets here there will be more choices. But if I understand things correctly, I should just set the AVR to PASS THROUGH whatever choices I've made above? Corrrect?

Thenas far as DVD is concerned, it's best to set the player to 480i output, connect up through the AVR...and again set the AVR to Pass-Through? Same scenario with BD, except...set the player to output 1080p...and again set the AVR to Pass-Through?
post #1304 of 30263
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I'm sitting here watching HD baseball on my Kuro. All I can say is WOW! I thought sports on my 60" SXRD would be impossible to beat, but I think the Kuro is actually better. Such clarity, deep colors, deep blacks, and absolutely none of that nauseating motion flutter you see on LCDs. I could really get used to this.

Must be the Mariners/Tigers game. Here in the U.P., I guess I should be a Tigers fan, but I lean more toward watching the Cubs on WGN.

But I did switch from golf to the baseball game momentarily when I read your post. I agree on the natural motion; and I'm watching this on DirecTV; in the fall of 2005 I had my SXRD, and DirecTV's HD signal was terrible; a lot of the motion problems/artifacting were not the fault of the set. But now, with my 151 and D*'s additional satellites, things are definitely looking much better.

(I'm using Aetherhole's Pure mode settings, with a few modifications due to the brightness of my room).
post #1305 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Shutterman View Post

Straight from the Godfather himself! Thanks, D.

I suppose, then, my head's screwed on correctly on this part?

Now if that weren't enough, I'm sure that once my AVR gets here there will be more choices. But if I understand things correctly, I should just set the AVR to PASS THROUGH whatever choices I've made above? Corrrect?

Thenas far as DVD is concerned, it's best to set the player to 480i output, connect up through the AVR...and again set the AVR to Pass-Through? Same scenario with BD, except...set the player to output 1080p...and again set the AVR to Pass-Through?

Yep, I think you've got it. You want the STB to pass through whatever resolution it's receiving the channels as. I only wish my Dish 722 had such a setting.
post #1306 of 30263
I just didn't think it would be a good idea to turn the box on its end. It was well packed, but the idea of moving the box that way, didn't set well with me. Considering the guy almost dropped it off the back of the truck anyway, I am glad we used a cart. My five month old definitely noticed the kuro. He hasn't really watched tv much, didn't even care about the old set. But as soon as we turn on the 151, he crawls to the center of the carpet, sits ups, and checks out what is on the screen. If it is something very colorful, he laughs and giggles and watches for several minutes. My three year old was mad we were moving the old tv, but now wants to watch his favorite shows on the big tv. So far we have been watching mainly kid friendly stuff, but it is still amazing. Mary Poppins, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, Monsters INC. all looked great, best I have seen them.
post #1307 of 30263
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Originally Posted by DTV TiVo Dealer View Post

Thanks for the kind words. Happy all is OK.

-Robert

robert,

do you know how much it is gonna cost MSRP FOR the 141 fd and also for the stand...when is it going to be available
post #1308 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Vonbek777 View Post

Okay, I received my 151 on Thursday. I am finally taking a break to give my impressions. First off, thanks to Robert at Value Electronics. Excellent service, excellent price, excellent communication!!! My 151 arrived in great shape. I advise anyone to go out and greet your delivery team. My set was delivered by one guy. The box does not have plasma on it, just Pioneer Elite Kuro, and my well intentioned delivery guy thought it was a lcd and was going to turn the set on its end and use a dolly to roll it out. After I said no, it was a plasma and it wasn't supposed to be turned on its end, he got a cart out and we lifted it on to the cart. He misjudged the weight of the box too, and had I not been there to help, my plasma would have fallen out of the back of the truck. After that initial horror, I inspected the box and everything looked good.

Once inside the house, unboxed the set, no broken glass, just one beautiful panel. Attached the wall mount. This set with a wall mount is heavy. My wife and I just barely got it on the wall. I thought I was going to have to call for some help, but we finally got it on the wall. The 151 looks a lot bigger than I thought it would. I had the space measured out, but it really doesn't sink in until you get the unit on the wall. Plugged the 151 in, and to my surprise, the tv came on. I guess the power switch had been pushed already because I didn't have to turn it on. That was a litte weird, but the unit was alive and kicking so I was happy. Attached an hdmi cable and an oppo 983 and planned to run the break-in disc, but instead watched Meet the Robinsons on dvd in pure mode and the stunned silence from my wife, 3 year old, and 5 month old, tells the story. This is a great tv. Best I have ever owned. I cannot believe the detail and color reproduction. I expected to want to calibrate the set some, but pure mode looks so good I don't even know where to start. I will wait Dnice's recommendations, but honestly, out of the box in pure mode, the set is stunning. I did run the break-in disc on the 4th most of the day. No blotching, no stuck or dead pixels. I have a perfect screen except for some fingerprints I have not been completely successful in wiping off with the cloth. I may have to use a little bit of water. Everything I have played on this tv so far has looked great. Animation, old black and white films, you name it, it looks good to me. The blacks are fantastic, and the color is wonderful. I haven't had a chance to check out OTA reception yet of HD material. I am still waiting for delivery of my antenna, but I will post a follow up on that and blu-ray content after I receive my pioneer blu-ray player in August.

As to the buzz issue which was my greatest fear. It is a non-issue for me. Definitely not noticeable in normal viewing conditions. The only time I have heard it was during the break-in disc on a completely white screen when my room was very quiet. During a movie, I had to stick my head up to the tv in order to hear the buzz. Can't hear it at all from my viewing location. So that was good news for me. Also I have several windows in my viewing area, and the glare is not an issue. Compared to my last tv, I can actually watch the 151 during the day. I couldn't say that for my old set.

All in all, I love this set. Highly recommend it to anyone!

congratulations on the purchase
what kind of wall mount did you get
post #1309 of 30263
I went with the one from the Pioneer website, the PWM-6111. I didn't buy it from Pioneer, I found it a lot cheaper from an online vendor. Anyway, it works great, but was a pain to install and getting the tv on the mount, was a nightmare. Lifting the tv and then trying to align the brackets and sliding the whole thing in place was challenging to say the least. It looks easy, but with so little clearance between the wall and the tv, it is really hard to know just where you are. Anyway, my wife and I have bruises to show for it, and the fingerprints I am still trying to get off the screen are my big fat ones from when we were trying to get the tv on the wall. I think I know why a lot of the sponsors on this forum recommend a different mount now. Having said all that, the tv looks wonderful on the wall. Really looks great. I will get some pictures up tonight.
post #1310 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Mike25690 View Post

Must be the Mariners/Tigers game. Here in the U.P., I guess I should be a Tigers fan, but I lean more toward watching the Cubs on WGN.

But I did switch from golf to the baseball game momentarily when I read your post. I agree on the natural motion; and I'm watching this on DirecTV; in the fall of 2005 I had my SXRD, and DirecTV's HD signal was terrible; a lot of the motion problems/artifacting were not the fault of the set. But now, with my 151 and D*'s additional satellites, things are definitely looking much better.

(I'm using Aetherhole's Pure mode settings, with a few modifications due to the brightness of my room).

Yup, it's my M's! (Still going on in extra innings.) I have Comcast, and never had any problems with it. The picture on my SXRD, which just left the house about an hour ago (), was stunning....the best I'd seen sports look on ANY TV. That jittering motion is just intolerable to me, so avoiding that was non-negotiable in the new set. And the Kuro delivers in spades. Like I said, I think it's even better than the Sony. Now, if those Mariners could just get another run....
post #1311 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Shutterman View Post

Straight from the Godfather himself! Thanks, D.

I suppose, then, my head's screwed on correctly on this part?

Now if that weren't enough, I'm sure that once my AVR gets here there will be more choices. But if I understand things correctly, I should just set the AVR to PASS THROUGH whatever choices I've made above? Corrrect?

Thenas far as DVD is concerned, it's best to set the player to 480i output, connect up through the AVR...and again set the AVR to Pass-Through? Same scenario with BD, except...set the player to output 1080p...and again set the AVR to Pass-Through?

FWIW, I have found that it's worth experimenting a bit, so you end up doing the VP in the unit that does it best. Sometimes that's the receiver/processor, sometimes the player, sometimes the TV. In my case, I have found that processing the cable box signals (those lower than 1080i) in my Denon processor yields the best image. Unfortunately, my cable box doesn't have a pass-through option, so I have to set it at 1080i with a 480i "override," meaning I don't really have as much flexibility as I'd like for the various cable signal resolutions.
post #1312 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Vonbek777 View Post

I just didn't think it would be a good idea to turn the box on its end, the idea of moving the box that way, didn't set well with me

yeah, I definitely would avoid positioning the box on it's side. However it may be okay (if it must be done), I believe the foam will hold it in place.
post #1313 of 30263
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post

yeah, I definitely would avoid positioning the box on it's side. However it may be okay (if it must be done), I believe the foam will hold it in place.

When Tweeter loaded it into the truck for us, they had it on its side in a hand truck. It was no worse for the wear.
post #1314 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Mycroft1888 View Post

Yep, I think you've got it. You want the STB to pass through whatever resolution it's receiving the channels as. I only wish my Dish 722 had such a setting.

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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

FWIW, I have found that it's worth experimenting a bit, so you end up doing the VP in the unit that does it best. Sometimes that's the receiver/processor, sometimes the player, sometimes the TV. In my case, I have found that processing the cable box signals (those lower than 1080i) in my Denon processor yields the best image. Unfortunately, my cable box doesn't have a pass-through option, so I have to set it at 1080i with a 480i "override," meaning I don't really have as much flexibility as I'd like for the various cable signal resolutions.

Thanks, guys. This will help. I didn't know I was so "fortunate" to have a STB that would allow pass through.

Until I got my 151FD, I had no idea how poor my SD signal was. D-Nice happens to be located in the same TW service area and he commented on it in his review of the 6020. All I can say is, boy, he wasn't kidding. HD channels are rather stunning (well...at least to my noobie eyes), but SD almost isn't worth watching. But that's ok, I didn't get this thing for watching most of what's on the SD channels anyway.
post #1315 of 30263
Me and my friend bought each a 111 set.

He decided to take the "standard" approach which is to lower the contrast and brightness and restraint 2:35:1 and 4:3 material and I did the break-in DVD approach.

The first night we both had non-uniform black screens when testing the TVs in pitch black rooms. It was also a little brighter at the top and bottom.

Yesterday, after around 50 Hours of usage we looked at both screens and mine improved by a good 50% while his improved by 20%.

I would be extremely satisfied with the way it looks right now and I can't wait to see if it can even get better after the break-in is completed.

This TV is stunning and i personally believe that the Break-in DVD is really making a difference during the first 200HRS.

Thank you D-Nice for everything you do around here.
post #1316 of 30263
Someone made a good point recently about powersave mode. What is its real purpose? Would engaging it really make a significant difference in one's electricity bill? Maybe it is there to reduce buzzing?
post #1317 of 30263
I just placed my order for a PDP-6020fd from Satellite and Sound on Thursday and am expecting delivery mid week. I'm soooo excited!!

Anyway, while talking to Doug at S&S, I told him I had read about the break-in DVD/procedure and asked him if the DVD was included, and if not, then where I could get one.

He flat out told me it was NOT AT ALL NECESSARY to do this. Perhaps in the past it was a good idea, he added, but the new panels simply do not require it.

I'd like to get a little group think on this, and if you all think it is necessary, where can I get a break-in disc??

THANKS!!!
post #1318 of 30263
i agree with him. no "break in" for me and my 5010 looks amazing.
post #1319 of 30263
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Originally Posted by jaceface View Post

I'd like to get a little group think on this, and if you all think it is necessary, where can I get a break-in disc??

Here is a link.

The Official Pioneer 8G Kuro Settings/Issues Thread

There are hundreds of posts on this topic. You can find them in any owner's thread for 8G or 9G Pioneer panels, or in the "settings" thread I linked for you. D-Nice will be starting a "settings" thread for the 9G sets as soon as he checks out his new Elite 111.
post #1320 of 30263
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Originally Posted by jaceface View Post

I just placed my order for a PDP-6020fd from Satellite and Sound on Thursday and am expecting delivery mid week. I'm soooo excited!!

Anyway, while talking to Doug at S&S, I told him I had read about the break-in DVD/procedure and asked him if the DVD was included, and if not, then where I could get one.

He flat out told me it was NOT AT ALL NECESSARY to do this. Perhaps in the past it was a good idea, he added, but the new panels simply do not require it.

I'd like to get a little group think on this, and if you all think it is necessary, where can I get a break-in disc??

THANKS!!!

Here's a link for a free burn-in download:
http://www.eaprogramming.com/

Browse through the thread and you'll see the entire gamut of opinion on this. Some are staunch advocates, others say it's baloney. I'd generally say that most fall somewhere in between, in the "yeah, I guess I'll do it...just in case" category. Personally, I have been doing a "modified" break-in: I'm careful to only watch full-screen material, I use the break-in DVD several hours a day (though not this weekend), and I've run the Video Pattern program a few times. I choose not to use the high-octane break-in settings others talk about. May be fine, may be a good idea, but such extremes defy my conservative Norwegian sensibilities . Common sense seems "safer" somehow. Just as I don't constantly rev my new cars to 6000rpm for the first few days to break them in, I prefer to break-in my expensive plasma over a longer period of time with normal-use settings.

Okay, that was long-winded. Sorry. The answer to your question, though, is that there simply is no definitive answer. You'll just have to read up on others' opinions and decide for yourself. Either way, you and your TV will both survive and thrive.
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