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post #16711 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by LM2008 View Post

1) Should I get rid of the switcher box and hook it straight to tv or receiver?

Option A: Oppo BDP83 > Oppo HDMI Switcher > Yamaha RX-V1700 > Pioneer 151fd TV

Option B: For Video: Oppo BDP83 > Pioneer 151fd TV
For Audio: Optical cable from Oppo BDP83 to Receiver

2) Since my AVR is not HDMI 1.3 I and only has HDMI 1.2a, would the audio sound be compromise or not getting the best sound out of this player?

If you can take the switcher out of circuit, doing so reduces the amount of handshaking and eliminates one more thing that could go wrong.

Oppo -> HDMI -> 151 seems good.

I assume you would also run the satellite box -> 2nd HDMI -> 151

HDMI 1.2a doesn't support the new lossless formats:

"New HD lossless audio formats: In addition to HDMI's current ability to support high-bandwidth uncompressed digital audio and all currently-available compressed formats (such as Dolby® Digital and DTS®), HDMI 1.3 adds additional support for new lossless compressed digital audio formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio."

So if your AVR accepts analog inputs, you might get better sound using analog.
post #16712 of 30263
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Originally Posted by sk20 View Post

If you can take the switcher out of circuit, doing so reduces the amount of handshaking and eliminates one more thing that could go wrong.

Oppo -> HDMI -> 151 seems good.

I assume you would also run the satellite box -> 2nd HDMI -> 151

HDMI 1.2a doesn't support the new lossless formats:

"New HD lossless audio formats: In addition to HDMI's current ability to support high-bandwidth uncompressed digital audio and all currently-available compressed formats (such as Dolby® Digital and DTS®), HDMI 1.3 adds additional support for new lossless compressed digital audio formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio."

So if your AVR accepts analog inputs, you might get better sound using analog.


I would use Option A and get rid of the switcher.

The OPPO can internally decode all hi-def audio codecs to PCM, so
an hdmi 1.3 receiver is not necessary.

You can't bitstream hi-def audio with 1.2a but most/all receivers
accept PCM.
post #16713 of 30263
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Originally Posted by hd_axel View Post

So it sounds like $50 should get me all I need? Another question on ControlCal; Should I save/download all the default/initial settings of ISF Day, Night and Auto before I start entering settings and values with ControlCal?

Also, with regards to the DB9 cable/connector, should it be a one-one cable or a null DB9 cable?

Follow the instructions here http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=263

And here's the cable you'll want if you have a serial port on your laptop or on the docking station that's going to be connected to the panel.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
post #16714 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Jason Priestley View Post

Will read through the buzz thread.

Interesting, I have bookmarked the thread on calibrators but have yet to pick out one. I live in North Jersey and there seems to be quite a few. Any recommendations guys?

I also just watched an iPhone commercial and the white was sorta yellowish, at least more yellow than on my old set. Is that an issue? TV set to pure mode.

Don't worry about the color. This set can be calibrated to be "on the spot" with respect to the color. It will look perfect after calibration.

Make sure your orbiter is always on 2 during the initial 200 hours.

I strongly recommend Jeff Meier for calibration.
post #16715 of 30263
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

I would use Option A and get rid of the switcher.

The OPPO can internally decode all hi-def audio codecs to PCM, so
an hdmi 1.3 receiver is not necessary.

You can't bitstream hi-def audio with 1.2a but most/all receivers
accept PCM.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sk20 View Post

If you can take the switcher out of circuit, doing so reduces the amount of handshaking and eliminates one more thing that could go wrong.

Oppo -> HDMI -> 151 seems good.

I assume you would also run the satellite box -> 2nd HDMI -> 151

HDMI 1.2a doesn't support the new lossless formats:

"New HD lossless audio formats: In addition to HDMI’s current ability to support high-bandwidth uncompressed digital audio and all currently-available compressed formats (such as Dolby® Digital and DTS®), HDMI 1.3 adds additional support for new lossless compressed digital audio formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™."

So if your AVR accepts analog inputs, you might get better sound using analog.

Thank you both, for simplicity and temporarily, I will hook both cable hd and Oppo bluray to via hdmi to receiver and from receiver out to tv. I believe my receiver is only passing hdmi straight through to tv, so I do not have to check my receiver to turn anything off correct? I do see the "PCM" display on my receiver.

Again, only been following avsforum for a couple of months, so i still have lot to learn with limited time. I also just found out from reading through the new post thread that I have been hooking up my side surround speakers to the rear surround input on my receiver instead of side surround input for over a year now (5.1 surround ht system). I also placed the side surround speakers in the back instead of the side, which in think is fine. Just go to show how much I know about this stuff.
post #16716 of 30263
Hi everyone! I just wanted to let you all know that I FINALLY BOUGHT MY 151FD! I got a great deal at BB for exactly the price point that I had been looking for since February. Unfortunately, I'm swamped at work and cannot post all my questions at this moment but I've been bustling with excitement since Sunday night and had to share it with you guys. You guys have become my family over the past few months and only you all would understand the crazy euphoria that I am feeling right now. (BTW, my delivery date is May 22nd!)

Even though I've read through hundreds of pages of this thread in preparation, I'm still going to be a complete noob and post all my questions. I'm waay to excited and want to make sure I get everything right.
post #16717 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by LM2008 View Post

Thank you both, for simplicity and temporarily, I will hook both cable hd and Oppo bluray to via hdmi to receiver and from receiver out to tv. I believe my receiver is only passing hdmi straight through to tv, so I do not have to check my receiver to turn anything off correct? I do see the "PCM" display on my receiver.

I'm not 100% sure about your receiver, but most receivers offer
a video passthrough feature to turn off all video processing.

Your best bet for clarification is to go to the receiver section
of this forum and find the Yamaha RX-V1700 thread and ask there.
post #16718 of 30263
How'd you get it at that price? At my best buy it was marked 2999.
post #16719 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Priestley View Post

Will read through the buzz thread.

Interesting, I have bookmarked the thread on calibrators but have yet to pick out one. I live in North Jersey and there seems to be quite a few. Any recommendations guys?

I also just watched an iPhone commercial and the white was sorta yellowish, at least more yellow than on my old set. Is that an issue? TV set to pure mode.

Depending on where you are in NJ, I may be able to get you when I head your way on the 22nd. PM me to see if we can work something out.
post #16720 of 30263
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Originally Posted by earlraglin View Post

Hay you guys I just got the pro 111-fd and I come from the 52' SONY XBR4. Blu Ray movies look sick on this thing. But I have some questions about standard and High def Cable or Directv HD cable. Sometimes 1080i content from Directv look good and 720p content look ok. It's like the picture is too dark. I try different settings to brighten it up but it just don't work. but when I put in a blu ray movie, It looks perfect. I think this TV is built for Blu Ray. Can someone guide me in the right direction on what settings I need to be on and what I should turn off. "Like power save etc!" But all and all I love this TV. Just like to get a good all around picture out of it.
thanks

Quite a few have had this experience. The problem is the crappy and highly variable quality of your DirectTV signal. Especially when you have Blu-Ray to compare it to, it just doesn't look all that great (most of the time). First, I'd make sure that source a separate input, so you can customize settings just for TV watching.

Without seeing your specific image problems, it's impossible to suggest precise fixes. If you're willing to switch AV mode every time you go between SD and HD, you could better tweak for each. For me, PURE (with a little added sharpness, color, and DRE) looked best for SD, but you should really try them all and see what you like best. Same with HDTV. It's obviously a little harder if you want the convenience of one AV mode for all signals, which is what I do since I'm too lazy to switch it all the time. In one case, I use ISF-Night for all TV, in another, I use my "amped-up" PURE settings.

Note that most of the AV mode adjustments are universal across inputs (all except STANDARD, I believe), so you'll probably want to use a different AV mode for TV than you do for your BD input.
post #16721 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Jason Priestley View Post

Well with the power control set to off, I can hear it its when its just dialogue if I listen for it. That being said, my whole setup is set forward right now by about 3 feet as I've made today's project to wire manage behind my whole AV setup. Also my L/R speakers are all over the place right now and not in their current location which when in place may help cover the sound. I'll try to get this all setup up for tonight. Orbiter is set to 1 although I'm not even sure what this is.

I"m watching a recorded episode of CSI as I can hear the buzz right now but not yet annoying and within seconds of watching the show I tend to not really hear the buzz. I also just noticed for the first time (after moving my panny to the bedroom) that this set has buzz. So perhaps ignorance is truly bliss. Maybe this explains why I shouldn't look for any other defects tonight...

I would return the set,I have a perfect 111 can barely hear a slight buzz on my set but only from the back with my ear right next to it,no sound from the front even with the volume off! Unless the 151's have more of a problem with buzzing,but as far as I know there are 151 who have near perfect TV's,just my 02 cents
post #16722 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Smartkid View Post

Hi everyone! I just wanted to let you all know that I FINALLY BOUGHT MY 151FD! I got a great deal at BB for exactly the price point that I had been looking for since February. Unfortunately, I'm swamped at work and cannot post all my questions at this moment but I've been bustling with excitement since Sunday night and had to share it with you guys. You guys have become my family over the past few months and only you all would understand the crazy euphoria that I am feeling right now. (BTW, my delivery date is May 22nd!)

Even though I've read through hundreds of pages of this thread in preparation, I'm still going to be a complete noob and post all my questions. I'm waay to excited and want to make sure I get everything right.

Congrats! And welcome! We'll be here when the questions start to flow.
post #16723 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Jason Priestley View Post

1) In what way does mode 2 impact picture? Should I just have it set in mode 2 and I will still have the same picture as always? Off its very noticeable on mute. Mode 1, still about same volume. Mode 2, I think my DVR HDD spinning is louder.

2) Should I just deal with the buzzing, call a tech, just exchange at Best Buy? If I exchange is there an equally strong possibility the other set will buzz as well?

Despite the buzz (although greatly reduced in power mode 2), I'm very happy. Now still, if power mode 2 is not optimal, especially when its calibrated I may need to change my decision as to whether to keep, exchange, or return all together.

As suggested earlier, Jason Priestley, you'll probably find more info in the buzz poll thread.

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Originally Posted by hd_newbie View Post

1) Mode 2 reduces your brightness. I wouldn't use it.
2) Buzzing should not be audible at normal listening volume and I don't mean reference volume, you shouldn't hear it when you are watching say news. If you do, return it.

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Originally Posted by shyguy3763 View Post

I would return the set,I have a perfect 111 can barely hear a slight buzz on my set but only from the back with my ear right next to it,no sound from the front even with the volume off! Unless the 151's have more of a problem with buzzing,but as far as I know there are 151 who have near perfect TV's,just my 02 cents

This is one take, coming from folks who can't hear buzz. If you peruse the buzz poll, you'll see that your situation is far from rare and simply returning/replacing the set is not necessarily an easy fix.

If you get satisfactory results in Power Mode 2, there's no reason not to use it. The panel can indeed be calibrated in that mode, and quite a few are perfectly happy with it that way. Don't assume you must return it because someone else says you shouldn't use Mode 2, or because someone else says their set is perfect.

BTW, the 151s do seem more prone to buzz issues.
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Eliab also calibrates these sets in power save mode 2. My 151 looks fabulous and is plenty bright enough in both Pure and the ISF modes for my taste.

Ditto here. Different calibrator, same result.
post #16724 of 30263
Put it this way...when the room is dead quiet and there is a VERY bright picture on the screen, then I can hear a slight buzz...BUT all palsmas have a buzz of some type or another. The 'buzz" on my Panny 85U is actually louder than that on my 111FD and I don't think that it is bad at all.
post #16725 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Priestley View Post

Will read through the buzz thread.

Interesting, I have bookmarked the thread on calibrators but have yet to pick out one. I live in North Jersey and there seems to be quite a few. Any recommendations guys?

I also just watched an iPhone commercial and the white was sorta yellowish, at least more yellow than on my old set. Is that an issue? TV set to pure mode.

Jason,

If you return the set you will have a very, very hard time finding another 111. They are very hard to find right now and the chances of getting a replacement are slim.

My 151FD buzzes if I have the sound muted and the picture is on a bright scene. To be honest I always have the sound on and I don't think about it at all. I would live with the set for a week and see what you think -- again, 111s are near impossible to get and if thats the only problem I wouldn't sweat it and simply enjoy your TV
post #16726 of 30263
Thank you!

I found the Yamaha RX-V1700 thread. It looks like I do not have to do setup via hdmi. I can't wait to put this Oppo with the Elite. If only time will allow me to watch Quantum of Solace and my foreign music video dvd tonight.

I will make sure to use the search function before asking non related Elite question. I can't believe there are threads for every consider topics on this avsforum website. This is amazing and I wish I had found this site earlier but better late than never. Thanks everyone!

On a non-tech related note, last night my one year old son and 3 years old daughter decided to grab our karaoke microphones (standing about 2 feet from the tv) while we were watching Dancing with the Stars. Ofcourse my heart beats alot faster by now and constantly reminding them please not to swing around and loose grip on those heavy microphones. So today I went out and got them two of those Hannah Montana plastic microphones so I can breath easier. I love those kids but my tv is where i go and escape when they go to sleep.

Quote:
Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

I'm not 100% sure about your receiver, but most receivers offer
a video passthrough feature to turn off all video processing.

Your best bet for clairification is to go to the receiver section
of this forum and find the Yamaha RX-V1700 thread and ask there.
post #16727 of 30263
Yeah...but Hannah Montana?? You start those kids down a dangerous path.....
post #16728 of 30263
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Originally Posted by CFoote View Post

Jason,

If you return the set you will have a very, very hard time finding another 111. They are very hard to find right now and the chances of getting a replacement are slim.

My 151FD buzzes if I have the sound muted and the picture is on a bright scene. To be honest I always have the sound on and I don't think about it at all. I would live with the set for a week and see what you think -- again, 111s are near impossible to get and if thats the only problem I wouldn't sweat it and simply enjoy your TV

He's right about that. I went to best buy yesterday and purchased what must have been the last one. I just called the same store today inquiring for a friend and they now have told me they have none. Not just instore but none anywhere in this area. I don't know if that means that they have none at any bestbuys or just this area but they are getting hard to find for sure. I think at this point you'll be looking at picking up demos. I have a sinking feeling that I might not even get that one. Something tells me a stocking error is not going to go in my favor or something along those lines and I wont be getting that 111. Hope I'm wrong.
post #16729 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Smartkid View Post

Hi everyone! I just wanted to let you all know that I FINALLY BOUGHT MY 151FD! I got a great deal at BB for exactly the price point that I had been looking for since February. Unfortunately, I'm swamped at work and cannot post all my questions at this moment but I've been bustling with excitement since Sunday night and had to share it with you guys. You guys have become my family over the past few months and only you all would understand the crazy euphoria that I am feeling right now. (BTW, my delivery date is May 22nd!)

Even though I've read through hundreds of pages of this thread in preparation, I'm still going to be a complete noob and post all my questions. I'm waay to excited and want to make sure I get everything right.

Oh come now, you shouldn't have ANY questions with a Username like that!

Seriously though, congrats on the new 151. My 151 just arrived this morning but I was only able to stick around long enough to see that the glass screen was intact. I have to take down my old system tonight, assemble my new stand, and then my brother will be coming over tomorrow night to help me move the KURO downstairs and unto my stand. I'm crossing my fingers that all will go well (including no serious buzzing, dead pixels, etc.). I too am VERY PUMPED, for I've been drooling over this set for two years and my wife finally gave me the green light to buy it.
post #16730 of 30263
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post




Hi Turbe,
You have a Full-House in your PM Mailbox. I have some messages to send your way but you need to make some room for them!
Thanks!
post #16731 of 30263
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Originally Posted by hd_axel View Post

Hi Turbe,
You have a Full-House in your PM Mailbox. I have some messages to send your way but you need to make some room for them!
Thanks!

got your PM

Inbox has been filling up fast lately..

Also, had problems with the AVS site today.. anyone else have problems?
post #16732 of 30263
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Originally Posted by hd_axel View Post

Another question on ControlCal; Should I save/download all the default/initial settings of ISF Day, Night and Auto before I start entering settings and values with ControlCal?

No need to, just default Control values.

If you had purchased a used display that had been calibrated, perhaps you would want to do this.

If you still decide to do it, it won't hurt either..
post #16733 of 30263
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

It was my pleasure to calibrate both of your sets. No need to feel as if you monopolized my time as I had already planned on spending most of the day with your two displays. Did your freind ever come back to see The Dark Knight in ISF-Day?

Unfortunately, he wasn't able to make it back to my house. He typically has to deal with the Wardon before he can come out and play.
post #16734 of 30263
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Originally Posted by WonHung View Post

Unfortunately, he wasn't able to make it back to my house. He typically has to deal with the Wardon before he can come out and play.
post #16735 of 30263
Quick question,

My TV has now only had 3 hours of TV viewing but I would love to see what some video games look like on it? Is this a bad idea? When can I start playing games on it for several hours at a time (say 2-3 hours). Would love to see what Killzone 2 looks on this bad boy.
post #16736 of 30263
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Originally Posted by Jason Priestley View Post

Quick question,

My TV has now only had 3 hours of TV viewing but I would love to see what some video games look like on it? Is this a bad idea? When can I start playing games on it for several hours at a time (say 2-3 hours). Would love to see what Killzone 2 looks on this bad boy.

IMO, there's no problem with trying it out. I wouldn't start playing games for several hours a day just yet, though, and for now, just be sure to run an equal amount of other content. Games are generally full-screen, right? If so, your only concern would be long periods of static, high-contrast images. Running the Video Pattern afterward might not be a bad idea.....
post #16737 of 30263
Yeah, i'm wondering if the HUD's in certain corners of the screen would be an issue...I'm also not running any break-in video pattern. Bad idea? I figured I'd just watch full-screen content until I hit 150-200 hours+.
post #16738 of 30263
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Yeah...but Hannah Montana?? You start those kids down a dangerous path.....

You should see my niece. She is a living replica of HM. Bangs, skirt, open toed heels, with striped stockings...

Did I tell you she was 8?!
post #16739 of 30263
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Priestley View Post

Yeah, i'm wondering if the HUD's in certain corners of the screen would be an issue...I'm also not running any break-in video pattern. Bad idea? I figured I'd just watch full-screen content until I hit 150-200 hours+.

You don't need to run the break-in images, although they can help get those early hours out of the way safely. Your full-screen idea is fine. Again, with the video games and there static images, I wouldn't play those for several hours straight just yet, and I would run the Video Pattern afterward, just to play it safe.
post #16740 of 30263
So here's my calibration report.

I began this saga by looking through the forum here and then seeing the wealth of info D-Nice has put up. I then happened to stumble on a thread which stated he would be in my area to do some calibrations. I contacted him via PM and was able to ask some questions. D-Nice was very good about answering all of my questions which set my mind at ease about having him calibrate my panels. So the date was set and as D-Nice has already said in a previous post, he had set aside the entire day to adjust both of my Pioneer panels. The panels in question are a Pioneer Elite Pro-141FD and a Pioneer Elite Pro 1010HD. Being that there isn't a thread per say covering the 1010HD, I'll just put my comments about it here too.

The appointment was set for 9AM. Prior to him arriving, he gave me a courtesy call to tell me he was on the way and on time and to have me get the 141 warmed up. He arrives and starts on the 141 first. Start time was probably a little before 9:30 after he got all set up. During his work, he was very careful not to disturb or cause damage to any thing in the room. In particular, he knew how much of a type A person I am and made sure he minimized moving around the chair I provided for him; even though the chair has casters. I really appreciated this courtesy. Later he found a smug on the actual glass and wiped it down with a cloth he had with him. So anyways, he gets set up and goes through the initial readings and then starts into the calibration. During his work, D-Nice was very good about answering questions I had about things. And before he got started with actually calibrating the panel, walked me through all the graphs/readings in the pre-calibration report. Some of the things he talked about I remember....some I have since forgotten. During the calibration of the screen, the friend D-Nice and I talked about in the previous post dropped by. D-Nice was also very courteous with him...spent some time answering his questions while still working on the calibration. I must say I never saw someone multi-task so well. So during the calibration, he ran into a quirk with my 141 where the settings didn't take on the panel which required him to get out of ControlCal and back in again. There were also times he had to do something to "wake up" the panel. I'll leave it up to D-Nice to explain these quirks. He had some challenges getting the 10% and 20% gray scale images dialed in which was exacerbated by the ControlCal/141 issue. He calibrated Pure mode and set up the obligatory ISF Auto, Day, and Night modes. In addition, he calibrated the component inputs as I am using them with my Meridian 598DP. He also did an adjustment on a second HDMI input so it can be used with my DirecTV HD DVR. The adjustment was done to further dial in the picture. He finally finished around 2:30 in the afternoon if not a bit later. He threw up Dark Knight to do the obligatory demo of the opening scene. We also joked about the post saying how sick and tired Chad B was of Dark Knight. The difference were very apparent to me. The slight haze that was "normal" with Pure mode out of the box was now gone. Seeing the scene under ISF Day was like almost being there...dare I say it was almost a religious experience.

D-Nice then moved all his gear up to the family room to calibrate the 1010HD. This time the calibration was quicker. I would say he spent about an hour to an hour and a half on it. D-Nice didn't use the ISF submenus on the 1010 citing known instances and issues of quirks with the ISF mode which could ruin the panel. The initial readings were done in Dynamic mode and the calibrations were done in User mode. D-Nice set up both HDMI ports and also the S-Video port I am currently using with the SD DirecTV receiver. We didn't go through an after demo as the day was getting late and he had a date with the new Star Trek movie. By this time it was around 4 or so.

You can say I'm very happy with my D-Nice calibration experience. I'll certainly have him back at a later date to do some fine tuning due to my intended plan of adding a Meridian HD621 into my system. The meticulous nature of how D-Nice went about adjusting my two sets speaks volumes for the end product you'll get. As he said a number of times, he approaches each TV calibration with the mindset that would he be happy with the results if this were his TV?

Now the calibration reports:

Pioneer Elite Pro-141FD

Pre-Calibration Pure Mode



Post Calibration Pure Mode



ISF Day Mode



ISF Night Mode



Pioneer Elite Pro 1010HD

Pre-Calibration Dynamic Mode



Post-Calibration User Mode

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