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post #18331 of 30259
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Originally Posted by johnnyb05 View Post

prog what do you think. i am dense as lead or is it even worse then that. lol

I was thinking neutron star. Just kidding.

Scotty
post #18332 of 30259
Originally Posted by hd_axel; Can you share the settings you made to Pure Mode? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

AV Seleciton: Pure
Contrast: 38
Brightness: +1
Color: +6
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -7

Pure Cinema submenu:
Film Mode: Advance
Text Optimization: Off
Intelligent Mode: Off

Picture Detail Submenu:
DRE Picture: On (Mid)
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer Mode: 1
Gamma: 2

Color Detail submenu:
Color Temp: Manual
CTI: Off
Color Space: 2

Manual Color Temp submenu:
R High: +2
G High: 0
B High: +3
R Low: 0
G Low: +1
B Low: 0

Color Management submenu:
R:0
Y:+1
G:+1
C:0
B:+2
M:-2

Noise Reduction submenu:
3DNR: Off
Field NR: Off
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off

Others:
3DYC: [grayed out]
I-P Mode: 2
Screen Size: Full
Power Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 2

Thanks djoberg! a bit late to your post, but I applied the settings to see the difference between factory default and yours. So far it looks better, I will do some experimenting with your settings(when time allows), and tweak accordingly to my environment, or perhaps leave as is...

So far, I changed 3 settings: Orbiter to "Off" and screen size is "Auto", Color at 2.

Also, I see you bumped up your Green settings. Is there more Red-Push with your panel?
post #18333 of 30259
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Originally Posted by scoddee View Post

I was thinking neutron star. Just kidding.

Scotty

thats funny you said that. my online name when i game on xbox360 is Darkkstar. prog dont you use a DVDO edge? if so do you have your oppo 83 plugged into to the edge or do you bypass it and plug right into the display?
post #18334 of 30259
have teh 111fd (most awesome purchase ever) but have a slight problem. My friend has the 111fd as well and he just got the BDP-51fd blu ray player for it the other day. We played Punisher 2(War Zone) and his looked ten times better than mine. I have teh PS3 playing my blu rays and thought it did a good job until i seen the picture on his tv. Could this be a problem with the processing of my TV? cuz alot of the pics ive seen on the kuro site and on some gaming sites dont look the same. For example wolverine looks blurry and not as good as the pics i see online (playing it off ps3 and its a demo) but still maybe its cuz the ps3 only does 720p. But any how could these difference be because of source material or what playing the material such as my ps3 or COULD THIS BE MY TV? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE WRONG INTERNALY FOR IT NOT TO FUNCTION RIGHT? everyting seems okay but when i see his tv its like its clearer or something. I havent touched the screen at all only with a light cloth do get the dust off(microfiber).
post #18335 of 30259
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Originally Posted by heatwave3 View Post

You'll still want an Advanced cinema mode for viewing blu-ray, however I would definitely have a few AV modes with Cinema set to STANDARD and your cable box set to 480i. I have now changed my opinion of Smooth for viewing sd cable based on this personal experimenting. I hope that helps others looking to maximizing SD Cable TV viewing.


Advanced=motion blurr and major stuttering on some scenes. I still prefer cinema off but standard comes close to using cinema off. I still think off or standard is best for least motion problems. But the sheep will all use advanced because you know who uses it.
post #18336 of 30259
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Originally Posted by hd_axel View Post

Thanks djoberg! a bit late to your post, but I applied the settings to see the difference between factory default and yours. So far it looks better


Color is at +6 and it looks better than out the box? You really need to compare yourself, only way someone could possibly like +6 is if you like a really, really, oversaturated 'colorful' image.
post #18337 of 30259
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Originally Posted by pj121391 View Post

Thank you so much!!
I used a MIW-POWERKIT-PRO Panamax very similar product which intergrates with my 5300 conditioner.

Isn't that room so small for towers and the big sub? How do you like it? Can you take full advantage of them?
post #18338 of 30259
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Originally Posted by STILESP113 View Post

have teh 111fd (most awesome purchase ever) but have a slight problem. My friend has the 111fd as well and he just got the BDP-51fd blu ray player for it the other day. We played Punisher 2(War Zone) and his looked ten times better than mine. I have teh PS3 playing my blu rays and thought it did a good job until i seen the picture on his tv. Could this be a problem with the processing of my TV? cuz alot of the pics ive seen on the kuro site and on some gaming sites dont look the same. For example wolverine looks blurry and not as good as the pics i see online (playing it off ps3 and its a demo) but still maybe its cuz the ps3 only does 720p. But any how could these difference be because of source material or what playing the material such as my ps3 or COULD THIS BE MY TV? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE WRONG INTERNALY FOR IT NOT TO FUNCTION RIGHT? everyting seems okay but when i see his tv its like its clearer or something. I havent touched the screen at all only with a light cloth do get the dust off(microfiber).


Same mode, settings???


bob
post #18339 of 30259
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Originally Posted by STILESP113 View Post

have teh 111fd (most awesome purchase ever) but have a slight problem. My friend has the 111fd as well and he just got the BDP-51fd blu ray player for it the other day. We played Punisher 2(War Zone) and his looked ten times better than mine. I have teh PS3 playing my blu rays and thought it did a good job until i seen the picture on his tv. Could this be a problem with the processing of my TV? cuz alot of the pics ive seen on the kuro site and on some gaming sites dont look the same. For example wolverine looks blurry and not as good as the pics i see online (playing it off ps3 and its a demo) but still maybe its cuz the ps3 only does 720p. But any how could these difference be because of source material or what playing the material such as my ps3 or COULD THIS BE MY TV? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE WRONG INTERNALY FOR IT NOT TO FUNCTION RIGHT? everyting seems okay but when i see his tv its like its clearer or something. I havent touched the screen at all only with a light cloth do get the dust off(microfiber).

PS3 does 1080P and at least as good of a player as 51 if not better.

These are very tweakable displays. All that means is your friend's display have superior settings to yours in his unique viewing environment. For a quick and dirty solution, copy D-Nice Pure settings from the settings thread. Then test them with a blu-ray. You will see what your display is capable of.
post #18340 of 30259
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Originally Posted by johnnyb05 View Post

prog dont you use a DVDO edge? if so do you have your oppo 83 plugged into to the edge or do you bypass it and plug right into the display?

Nope...I don't have a DVDO Edge. You must be thinking of someone else. All my player sources pass through my pre-pro to the Kuro. The only source that is directly connected is my TiVo S3.

Edit: I always think in terms of my main HT setup. I do have a secondary setup where all sources (including an Oppo BDP-83) are directly connected to the Kuro. But no Edge there either. Personally, I kind of think external VPs have become redundant and unnecessary given the quality of processing built into higher-end players these days.
post #18341 of 30259
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Originally Posted by STILESP113 View Post

My friend has the 111fd as well and he just got the BDP-51fd blu ray player for it the other day. .....
I have teh PS3 playing my blu rays and thought it did a good job until i seen the picture on his tv. Could this be a problem with the processing of my TV? .......
but still maybe its cuz the ps3 only does 720p.

I would be sure to check player settings first. Have you gone through the PS3's setup since you got the 111FD? If it's still set up for a previous, less-capable TV, you're not getting the most out of using it with your Kuro. When playing blu-rays, your PS3 should be set to output 1080p/24, not 720p. That alone would be detrimental to PQ.
post #18342 of 30259
I'm reposting this calibration report here in the owner's thread so that more owners will have a chance to read it.

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Originally Posted by gten79 View Post

Allow me to say that in the past few years I have owned a 46xbr5, and a 37xbr6 although these two previous Tvs were very good I have always had my eyes set on a Pioneer Elite Kuro Plasma TV. I must also add that those two previous Sony models they had not been calibrated, but I honestly don't think it would have mattered much.

The main reason I did not purchase the Pioneer Elite Plasma TV before was because at the time they were too expensive and I didn't see the need to spend so much money on a Plasma TV. Well what a difference a year makes!!!

Last few months I was able to get a very good deal on a 60" Pioneer Elite Kuro 151FD; Kuro 6020; Kuro 5020; and a panasonic 42pz85u deals of which I could not pass specially since a few came from an Authorized Pioneer Elite Dealer. Within days of my new Pioneers arriving the first thing I did was call and make an appointment with Chad to come and talk about the calibrations I was planning to make. While talking to Chad he advised me of where it would be best to mount my tv's and home theaters. A few weeks had passed before my initial at home consultation so once everything was mounted I set up the calibration appointment. Before setting it up I had asked was it necessary to allow time for the break in period? He replied it really depends who you ask however personally didn't really think it was necessary. I'd be remiss if I didn't mention he offered to come back in a few months for a touch up.

I did alot of research before calling Chad so I had a good idea what I was getting purchasing his services. Now I was an "eyewitness" to that. Before Chad came to my house to calibrate my Pioneer Plasmas, many of my friends have been at my house and have seen the Pioneer. This is the best Plasma money can buy. No questions about it. Even out of the box this TV looks so good that all my friends could not see me spending money to have this TV calibrated because they thought there was not going to be any difference in the picture. Even my girlfriend said that I was just spending money for no reason because the picture on the Pioneer was not going to look any better than the way it is.

As always it was a great pleasure seeing Chad again. He came in and set up his equipment and before he started we chatted for a few minutes about the TV an a few other things. When he started working on the Tv I just sat on my sofa and watched him do his magic on my Pioneer Plasma. He is very meticulous going about the calibration. Now I couldn't tell you exactly what he was doing nor do I really care however it was amazing watching him do what he does. All the while he was trying to calibrate my tv's and speakers I had other people over taking care of some repairs. He was good about everything, never complained and ANSWERED EVERY QUESTION with a smile, seriously!

After he finished calibrating my TV's he suggested to see a few minutes of a movie, so naturally you throw in Batman "The Dark Knight"'
In all my years of watching movies in many plasma or lcd TVs specially this movie I have never ever seeing a picture as clear,dymanic, natural and so real than in this Pioneer Elite Kuro TV after being calibrated by Chad. He did the ISF Day and Night picture modes and trust me when I tell you that both modes and nothing but "REMARKABLE". I have seen this movie in this Tv before, in fact this movie was the very first movie I watched on this TV and I honestly thought that It was a great picture but after Chad calibrated the TV and we watched this movie again, my jaw dropped to the floor. My eyes could not believe what I was seeing. I knew from the begining that the picture was going to be better but never in my wildest dreams I thought it was going to be this good, Outstanding is the best way I can described it.

Well guys the woman that a few weeks ago told me that I was wasting my money because the TV was not going to look any better now it's a strong believer that I had made one of the best investments of my life by calibrating my Pioneer TV again by non other than Chad Billheimer. If my girlfriend can noticed such a huge difference in the picture quality of the TV before and after that should tell you something. Even my friends who have come over today and after seeing the TV post calibrated have expressed that they are now true believers that Chad can turn any TV picture in the best picture possible of any TV out there.

So if you guys are looking to have your TV calibrated I would highly recommed Chad Billheimer. He is the best there is at his job but really that is just the half of it. He is such a good guy and very approachable you end up talking more than you think. And lets face it, we buy things from people we like and this guy is as nice as they come. I'm by no means a techy or informed that is why it was so refreshing to have Chad over answering all of my questions without talking down, or banging the components I purchased.

Chad, I promised you that I will be writing a review about my calibration experience with the Pioneer Elite Kuro's. I have never been so happy with a TV in all my life. Thanks so much for your outstanding performance calibrating this TV.

I'd be remiss if I didn't mention he also came back to my home to make sure things were the way he left it when I had a few questions. What more can I say about Chad he's attentive, a professional, and one of the nicest guys you'll ever meet. He is a credit to his profession and delivers the expertise and customer service you can only wish for these days.

Chad thanks again and the very best of luck for you and your wife. Hope to see you again sometime soon.

Best Regards,

George Ten
New Carlisle, Ohio

Posted here.
post #18343 of 30259
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

What DVR is it?

Comcast DCH 3416

Thanks
post #18344 of 30259
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Originally Posted by rumba View Post

Comcast DCH 3416

Thanks

Be sure the 4:3 Override is set to 480i.
post #18345 of 30259
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Originally Posted by rumba View Post

Comcast DCH 3416

Thanks

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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Be sure the 4:3 Override is set to 480i.

How do I do that and why do you think it would change?
post #18346 of 30259
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Originally Posted by rumba View Post

How do I do that and why do you think it would change?

I really have no idea why it would change. But it's worth checking to make sure it's set right.

  1. Power off the STB and then immediately press the MENU button on the front panel.
  2. With your TV on, you should get a status page that shows the current user settings.
  3. You can use the cursor buttons on the remote to navigate and select options.
  4. Press the MENU or POWER button to exit and save settings.
The YPbPr setting should be 1080i, and 4:3 Override should be 480i.
post #18347 of 30259
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I really have no idea why it would change. But it's worth checking to make sure it's set right.

  1. Power off the STB and then immediately press the MENU button on the front panel.
  2. With your TV on, you should get a status page that shows the current user settings.
  3. You can use the cursor buttons on the remote to navigate and select options.
  4. Press the MENU or POWER button to exit and save settings.
The YPbPr setting should be 1080i, and 4:3 Override should be 480i.

cool -I'll give it a shot - thanks!
post #18348 of 30259
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I really have no idea why it would change. But it's worth checking to make sure it's set right.

  1. Power off the STB and then immediately press the MENU button on the front panel.
  2. With your TV on, you should get a status page that shows the current user settings.
  3. You can use the cursor buttons on the remote to navigate and select options.
  4. Press the MENU or POWER button to exit and save settings.
The YPbPr setting should be 1080i, and 4:3 Override should be 480i.

That did the trick - thanks for your help mate!
post #18349 of 30259
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Originally Posted by rumba View Post

That did the trick - thanks for your help mate!

No problem. Glad it worked out.
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Ok guys, I've searched and not found the exact answer to my questions. I have a PRO-151. I have about 4 months of use on it so far. If I purchase control cal I know I can unlock the ISF day and night modes. If I use one of these modes, and DON'T change any default settings, will it make any improvement in picture from PURE mode? I know the ISF modes are brighter, but is that only after being calibrated? Thanks for the help.
post #18351 of 30259
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Originally Posted by amill94 View Post

Ok guys, I've searched and not found the exact answer to my questions. I have a PRO-151. I have about 4 months of use on it so far. If I purchase control cal I know I can unlock the ISF day and night modes. If I use one of these modes, and DON'T change any default settings, will it make any improvement in picture from PURE mode? I know the ISF modes are brighter, but is that only after being calibrated? Thanks for the help.

CC is not a calibration. It is an App. used for unlocking the ISF settings. Once this software App. is installed on your Personal Computer, preferably a laptop, you need to input fixed values into the fields of CC to obtain your settings. If I understand your question correctly, there is no default per-se, or perhaps that would be all zeros in all fields, you need to input different values, and these values do not change or interfare with the factory default modes and settings. The ISF settings listed in the calibration forums as well as members responses and experience with it, say there is a great improvement over Pure mode.
post #18352 of 30259
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I'm reposting this calibration report here in the owner's thread so that more owners will have a chance to read it.



Posted here.

Chad calibrated my SonyA3000 and did a fantastic job. You know with Chad that you are getting someone who will be extremely well prepared no matter what TV he is calibrating.
post #18353 of 30259
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Originally Posted by hd_axel View Post

CC is not a calibration. It is an App. used for unlocking the ISF settings. Once this software App. is installed on your Personal Computer, preferably a laptop, you need to input fixed values into the fields of CC to obtain your settings. If I understand your question correctly, there is no default per-se, or perhaps that would be all zeros in all fields, you need to input different values, and these values do not change or interfare with the factory default modes and settings. The ISF settings listed in the calibration forums as well as members responses and experience with it, say there is a great improvement over Pure mode.

Well there are "defau;t" settings for ISF modes, I think they are the same for ISF day/night..ie you could activate what is "set" by the factoryand make no changes but if you used D-Nice's break-in the settings he posted look great for 111/151.
post #18354 of 30259
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Originally Posted by BarryB1124 View Post

Chad calibrated my SonyA3000 and did a fantastic job. You know with Chad that you are getting someone who will be extremely well prepared no matter what TV he is calibrating.

Anyone interested in reading your report can do that in Post#1 using the link at the bottom of my post.
post #18355 of 30259
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Originally Posted by nealh View Post

Well there are "defau;t" settings for ISF modes, I think they are the same for ISF day/night..ie you could activate what is "set" by the factoryand make no changes but if you used D-Nice's break-in the settings he posted look great for 111/151.

I was just wondering if the default isf settings are better in pq than Pure mode? I think I'll just have the set professionally calibrated in a few months, but wanted to play around with the isf modes for now.
post #18356 of 30259
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Originally Posted by amill94 View Post

I was just wondering if the default isf settings are better in pq than Pure mode? I think I'll just have the set professionally calibrated in a few months, but wanted to play around with the isf modes for now.

I think you will find the ISF modes will look better than Pure, but as I said try D-Nice's settings and you may find a much nicer picture until you have Professional calibrated.
post #18357 of 30259
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I would be sure to check player settings first. Have you gone through the PS3's setup since you got the 111FD? If it's still set up for a previous, less-capable TV, you're not getting the most out of using it with your Kuro. When playing blu-rays, your PS3 should be set to output 1080p/24, not 720p. That alone would be detrimental to PQ.

No one really answered my main question and that is do you think there is something wrong with my 111fd, like internally. I dont see how thats possible i havent rread a single complaint on any of these tye of issues of the tv not working properly its usually related to the source.

I only mentioned 720p because of games, most of them are 720p and look liek garbage. Other than that the PS3 is set to display 1080p/24 but for some reason does not look as good as my friends. Same settings and everything.He had his set to performance mode and playing blu rays form his 51fd. Everything looked really sharp, and clean. THings were more detailed, colors popped more, detail in faces was great. I then set his to movie mode and you could still see the difference in sharpness and color. I went home set my 111fd to performance mode popped in THe pUnisher and it still didnt look anything like his looked. Bottom line is its either the PS3 (thought a good player) and the way it displays the blu ray cuz the faces looked blurrier than when played from the 51fd. Colors looked duller. Nothing really popped like i expected it to. I really feel like its the player im using cause if there is something wrong with my TV then ill never buy another piece of electronics again cuz i have the worst luck ever. I bought this TV cuz it is the best and i feel like im not seeing what im supposed to be seeing.

I mean how could you tell is the TV is not working rite?
post #18358 of 30259
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Originally Posted by STILESP113 View Post

No one really answered my main question and that is do you think there is something wrong with my 111fd, like internally. I dont see how thats possible i havent rread a single complaint on any of these tye of issues of the tv not working properly its usually related to the source.

I only mentioned 720p because of games, most of them are 720p and look liek garbage. Other than that the PS3 is set to display 1080p/24 but for some reason does not look as good as my friends. Same settings and everything.He had his set to performance mode and playing blu rays form his 51fd. Everything looked really sharp, and clean. THings were more detailed, colors popped more, detail in faces was great. I then set his to movie mode and you could still see the difference in sharpness and color. I went home set my 111fd to performance mode popped in THe pUnisher and it still didnt look anything like his looked. Bottom line is its either the PS3 (thought a good player) and the way it displays the blu ray cuz the faces looked blurrier than when played from the 51fd. Colors looked duller. Nothing really popped like i expected it to. I really feel like its the player im using cause if there is something wrong with my TV then ill never buy another piece of electronics again cuz i have the worst luck ever. I bought this TV cuz it is the best and i feel like im not seeing what im supposed to be seeing.

I mean how could you tell is the TV is not working rite?

I really don't think there is something wrong with your display. PS3, set right, is a great blu-ray player. IMO better than BD51.

Do you have a receiver or a video processor? If yes, are you making sure it passes blu-ray through with no processing?

Do your PS3 settings look something like this:
Video Settings
BD/DVD Cinema Conversion: "Automatic"
BD/DVD Upscaler: "Normal"
BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI): "Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr"
BD 1080p 24Hz Output: "Automatic"

Display Settings
RGB Full Range (HDMI): "Limited"
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI): "On"

While watching blu-ray, when you click on "display" button on your Kuro remote, does it say "1080P" on the upper right hand corner?

I would very strongly recommend you use D-Nice Pure settings. If nothing else, dialing in those settings will assure you that there is nothing funny going on in your adjustments.
post #18359 of 30259
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Originally Posted by STILESP113 View Post

No one really answered my main question and that is do you think there is something wrong with my 111fd, like internally. I dont see how thats possible i havent rread a single complaint on any of these tye of issues of the tv not working properly its usually related to the source.

I only mentioned 720p because of games, most of them are 720p and look liek garbage. Other than that the PS3 is set to display 1080p/24 but for some reason does not look as good as my friends. Same settings and everything.He had his set to performance mode and playing blu rays form his 51fd. Everything looked really sharp, and clean. THings were more detailed, colors popped more, detail in faces was great. I then set his to movie mode and you could still see the difference in sharpness and color. I went home set my 111fd to performance mode popped in THe pUnisher and it still didnt look anything like his looked. Bottom line is its either the PS3 (thought a good player) and the way it displays the blu ray cuz the faces looked blurrier than when played from the 51fd. Colors looked duller. Nothing really popped like i expected it to. I really feel like its the player im using cause if there is something wrong with my TV then ill never buy another piece of electronics again cuz i have the worst luck ever. I bought this TV cuz it is the best and i feel like im not seeing what im supposed to be seeing.

I mean how could you tell is the TV is not working rite?

How many hours are there on your friend's 111FD and how many hours on your 111FD?

All I know is, that the PQ improves after the initial 150-200 "break-in" period and continues to improve until the TV has reached 1000+ hours. This is case with all plasma TVs, as the phosphors age.

My Panny 50PZ85U had a much better picture than my 111FD, until the last couple of weeks. The Panny must have 1500-2000 hours on it and my 111FD is just short of 800 hours. I know that as great as the PQ is right now, it will get even a bit better in the next 200 - 400 hours or so.
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

My experience in a relatively dark room is that the difference between calibrated Pure and calibrated ISF Night is very minor. My set was calibrated by Eliab. The difference should be even less in a pitch black room so Pure might be good enough for your circumstances.

I agree.

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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I have to say that I am not as much of a fan of a lot of "pop" and brightness as are some others. I prefer a more film-like look. I find the calibrated ISF Day to be too bright to comfortably watch in my room and it makes everything look too much like a cartoon for my taste. Your tastes may be closer to mine.

ISF Day is specifically designed to be used in an environment that's inundated with light. In my opinion, it is too "amped" for a room with controlled lighting.

Eliab
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