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post #18421 of 28732
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Originally Posted by dmarek87 View Post

No, the wii doesn't have an HDMI output, it can only go up to 480p with component video. I have always been a Nintendo guy and even though it can't hit 1080p like PS3, I can't imagine not being able to play the new Mario and Zelda games and Super Smash Brothers etc. Thanks very much for dumbing down the instructions, I am not the brightest bulb in the box when it comes to setting things up

Which are the associated audio jacks on the 2809? Would they be the Front L and Front R? Thanks

Select one of the sets of component inputs, either "DVD," "HDP," or "TV/CBL" on your 2809. Then in the next row down, all those sets of red & white jacks, plug the red & white audio cables from your Wii into the associated set in the "AUDIO" section of jacks (they'll be one of the first three sets on the left- DVD, HDP, or TV/CBL).

post #18422 of 28732
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Originally Posted by handi View Post

Hello to all, I have started looking into the PRO-151FD because I have found some very good pricing on them. I just have a few questions and concerns. I'm not a huge A/V guy so is this t.v. going to be a little much for me to handle with the setting and such, also I play a fair amount of xbox and watch a lot of sports center and such so will burn in be any concern?

The AV modes out-of-the-box are excellent. If you don't want to play with settings and get into calibration, etc., you don't have to. And the 9G Pioneers are extremely resilient to burn-in and IR; lots of owners play games extensively with no problem whatsoever.

If you're tempted and you've found a good price, go for it! Everything looks better on these panels. It'll be the best TV you've ever owned, and you won't regret it.
post #18423 of 28732
Got my 151 calibrated today by Doug Weil (droptheremote here at AVS). I'd been on vacation the week before to Colorado visiting family and friends, and being the family A/V "nerd", I was called upon to do a fair amount of calibration/installation/purchasing advice during the week (which, as my wife knew, made for a great vacation for me; playing with toys that other people spend THEIR money on!). Anyway, the TV's I got to play with included Vizio and Samsung LCDs (I am SO not a fan of LCD's, and looking at them the past week confirmed it for me), and 3 different Panasonic plasmas (two 720p models and a 1080p model). All produce a "viewable" picture, and even a pleasing picture with the right sources, and are just fine for the people that purchased and will use them. But I've found that getting back to my 151 is as important to me as getting back to my bed and shower. Now that it's calibrated, I'm just sitting on the couch taking in the absolute jaw-droppingly beautiful pictures that this Kuro is capable of.

I've enjoyed it immensely for the past 6 months in Pure mode (which, even with D-nice's settings, was way off), but a professional 5 1/2 hour calibration with ISF modes brings it to an entirely different level.

I know this is nothing new in this thread, but just wanted to reinforce all of the praise.
post #18424 of 28732
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Originally Posted by schroedk View Post

Got my 151 calibrated today by Doug Weil (droptheremote here at AVS).

Thanks for your calibration report. I've included it in the flat panel (Post#2) list that's linked at the bottom of my post.
post #18425 of 28732
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post


Yes, and after getting roped into watching Gran Torino last night, I am now permanently five hours behind, since I can never, ever get those two hours back....

Man I thought Gran Torino was pretty good, why did you not like it?
While it may not have been the greatest story I very much enjoyed Eastwood's performance.....not bad for a 78yo (well 77 when he made the movie.) All I can say is I sure hope we get a few more front Clint.
post #18426 of 28732
Hi,

I have a PRO-111FD I've just gotten, and noticed that when using "Auto" when the TV zooms in on 4:3 sources automatically filling up the whole screen, the edges on left/right hand section of the screen are distorted. This is more noticeable when there are texts or tickers scrolling from left to right across the screen. The texts when on the left/right edges appear larger and becomes normal around the middle section of the screen.

Is this normal? Is there a setting that can fix this behavior?

Thanks.
post #18427 of 28732
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Originally Posted by rvfav View Post

Hi,

I have a PRO-111FD I've just gotten, and noticed that when using "Auto" when the TV zooms in on 4:3 sources automatically filling up the whole screen, the edges on left/right hand section of the screen are distorted. This is more noticeable when there are texts or tickers scrolling from left to right across the screen. The texts when on the left/right edges appear larger and becomes normal around the middle section of the screen.

Is this normal? Is there a setting that can fix this behavior?

Thanks.

This is a common type of "stretch mode," where the image is progressively rather than uniformly stretched horizontally. Personally, I find that look nauseating! When I want to stretch 4:3 programming, I do it in my TiVo, which uses a uniform stretch. What tuner do you use?
post #18428 of 28732
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Originally Posted by James W. Johnson View Post

Man I thought Gran Torino was pretty good, why did you not like it?
While it may not have been the greatest story I very much enjoyed Eastwood's performance.....not bad for a 78yo (well 77 when he made the movie.) All I can say is I sure hope we get a few more front Clint.

Hey, if you liked it, that's cool. Aside from an unbelievable story, painfully unrealistic dialog, horrible acting, and amateurish directing, it was okay.... No seriously, I did think it totally sucked, but I'm not a Clint fan at all (in case that wasn't obvious ). People who like him seem to really like him.
post #18429 of 28732
My Sat STB is from Dish model VIP-622. That's right it's a bit nauseating. Can I do anything to remove this effect (by still filling up the whole screen?)
post #18430 of 28732
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Originally Posted by hd_newbie View Post

I really don't think there is something wrong with your display. PS3, set right, is a great blu-ray player. IMO better than BD51.

Do you have a receiver or a video processor? If yes, are you making sure it passes blu-ray through with no processing?

Do your PS3 settings look something like this:
Video Settings
BD/DVD Cinema Conversion: "Automatic"
BD/DVD Upscaler: "Normal"
BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI): "Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr"
BD 1080p 24Hz Output: "Automatic"

Display Settings
RGB Full Range (HDMI): "Limited"
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI): "On"

While watching blu-ray, when you click on "display" button on your Kuro remote, does it say "1080P" on the upper right hand corner?

I would very strongly recommend you use D-Nice Pure settings. If nothing else, dialing in those settings will assure you that there is nothing funny going on in your adjustments.

Why do you think the PS3 is a better player than the BDP-51? There are several reviews and great discussions on this site that states quite the opposite. the 51 is one of the best blu-ray players sub $1000. The only player that may come close or beat it according to some is the new OPPO. The only edge the PS3 has over the 51 is load times and BD Live if your into that sort of thing.

For well under $300 I would order one and test it out. If it's crap send it back!
post #18431 of 28732
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Originally Posted by rvfav View Post

My Sat STB is from Dish model VIP-622. That's right it's a bit nauseating. Can I do anything to remove this effect (by still filling up the whole screen?)

Try the following:
  • Set the aspect ratio (FORMAT) in your Dish box to FULL (or whatever they call their screen-filling mode)
  • Set the 111FD's screen size to FULL
  • Turn the 111FD's Auto-Size OFF (Menu>Setup>Option>Auto-Size)
post #18432 of 28732
I had been researching and comparing plasma displays for many many months. Early this year, I almost pulled the trigger on the Panasonic 800 series when the pricing was very good. Instead I waited for the new Panasonics. When the G10 series arrived in April, I purchased a 50", but had some audio problems with it. The display was very good, but I really wanted to see what the V series was going to be like.

I had been reading in AVS where some were dealing Pioneer Elites down a few dollars (substancial dollars). The Elites were well out of my price range prior to this. I looked at the 111FD and as usual, was very impressed with the picture. The same day, I managed to get the sales rep to lower the price by 500.00 below what they were selling for at that time. Pretty much the same price I was seeing here at that time. This unit was several hundred dollars more than the G10, but the 3 year finiancing offer I used 30 days prior was able to be brought over to this purchase. I have not looked back since.

I checked into calibration by the same store, but opted to use Gregg Loewen of Lion AV instead. Again, this was a good decision. Gregg was professional, informative and at the top of this profession. Dedication and a real interest to what you do always come through in the end and that is the case here.

The Panasonic had a good picture, but the Pioneer Elite took that even further. My calibration review has been posted ( and re-posted here). All I can add to that is if you really want the most realistic display picture, go with the Elite while you still can. I am sure that Panasonic will catch up as Pioneer has stopped developing this wonderful display, but that will be a few years out. The V series that I was waiting for is arriving at this time, but from what I have read on C-net, the Eilte still edges that display out. I cannot speak from experience, but make that decision yourself.

Finally, if you are spending this kind of scratch on a display, get it calibrated!! Also, get recommendations and go with a true professional that is passionate about thier craft. Gregg Loewen fills that bill. If he covers your area, take a good look at him, I dont regret that decision one bit. He comes highly recommended from some calibrators here and I would add myself to that list as well ! Thanks Gregg for getting the best out of this already great display.
post #18433 of 28732
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Select one of the sets of component inputs, either "DVD," "HDP," or "TV/CBL" on your 2809. Then in the next row down, all those sets of red & white jacks, plug the red & white audio cables from your Wii into the associated set in the "AUDIO" section of jacks (they'll be one of the first three sets on the left- DVD, HDP, or TV/CBL).


Thanks Propog, I can't wait to set it up. You made it really easy to understand.
post #18434 of 28732
is it possible for each 111fd do have a different factory gray scale? Mayeb this is the reason why my buddies TV looks better or smoother i shoudl say.
post #18435 of 28732
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Originally Posted by STILESP113 View Post

is it possible for each 111fd do have a different factory gray scale? Mayeb this is the reason why my buddies TV looks better or smoother i shoudl say.

Huh? Are either of your displays calibrated?
post #18436 of 28732
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

That sounds like what electronics do when they overheat. Do you suppose that was a possibility?

I'd not think so, as the 111 hadn't been on for about 10 hours. It's plugged into a voltage regulator, which in turn is chained to a power conditioner, so it shouldn't be a voltage/spike/surge issue. If it happens again, I'm calling Pioneer.
post #18437 of 28732
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

I'd not think so, as the 111 hadn't been on for about 10 hours. It's plugged into a voltage regulator, which in turn is chained to a power conditioner, so it shouldn't be a voltage/spike/surge issue. If it happens again, I'm calling Pioneer.

Yeah, good idea. That's a little disconcerting.
post #18438 of 28732
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Originally Posted by gbreda View Post

I had been researching and comparing plasma displays for many many months. Early this year, I almost pulled the trigger on the Panasonic 800 series when the pricing was very good. Instead I waited for the new Panasonics. When the G10 series arrived in April, I purchased a 50", but had some audio problems with it. The display was very good, but I really wanted to see what the V series was going to be like.

I had been reading in AVS where some were dealing Pioneer Elites down a few dollars (substancial dollars). The Elites were well out of my price range prior to this. I looked at the 111FD and as usual, was very impressed with the picture. The same day, I managed to get the sales rep to lower the price by 500.00 below what they were selling for at that time. Pretty much the same price I was seeing here at that time. This unit was several hundred dollars more than the G10, but the 3 year finiancing offer I used 30 days prior was able to be brought over to this purchase. I have not looked back since.

I checked into calibration by the same store, but opted to use Gregg Loewen of Lion AV instead. Again, this was a good decision. Gregg was professional, informative and at the top of this profession. Dedication and a real interest to what you do always come through in the end and that is the case here.

The Panasonic had a good picture, but the Pioneer Elite took that even further. My calibration review has been posted ( and re-posted here). All I can add to that is if you really want the most realistic display picture, go with the Elite while you still can. I am sure that Panasonic will catch up as Pioneer has stopped developing this wonderful display, but that will be a few years out. The V series that I was waiting for is arriving at this time, but from what I have read on C-net, the Eilte still edges that display out. I cannot speak from experience, but make that decision yourself.

Finally, if you are spending this kind of scratch on a display, get it calibrated!! Also, get recommendations and go with a true professional that is passionate about thier craft. Gregg Loewen fills that bill. If he covers your area, take a good look at him, I dont regret that decision one bit. He comes highly recommended from some calibrators here and I would add myself to that list as well ! Thanks Gregg for getting the best out of this already great display.

I've also used Gregg in the past and can highly recommend him.
post #18439 of 28732
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

I've also used Gregg in the past and can highly recommend him.

I'm in the Northeast(SE MA). When my break in is complete and my panel has roughly 400-500hrs I am calling Gregg up for a calibration. I've read many user reviews and it seems he's one of the best in my area. Can't wait.
Also, for those who have had their panel calibrated. Do I need ControlCal to unlock the ISF modes on my 111 as a prerequisite for professional calibration or is that part of what the calibrator would do?
post #18440 of 28732
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Originally Posted by STILESP113 View Post

is it possible for each 111fd do have a different factory gray scale? Mayeb this is the reason why my buddies TV looks better or smoother i shoudl say.

If I recall your the guy who said your buddies 111 looks A LOT better than yours, right? Many here have recommended maybe you had your PS3 setup improperly. Have you tried those recommendations? And did that make a difference? From what you initially described, I don't believe you are seeing 1080p/24 material.
post #18441 of 28732
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Originally Posted by JoeBloggz View Post

Also, for those who have had their panel calibrated. Do I need ControlCal to unlock the ISF modes on my 111 as a prerequisite for professional calibration or is that part of what the calibrator would do?

The calibrator will do that. (Just makes sure you ask that activating and calibrating the ISF modes is part of their service. Some, like those BB boys and Mr Bob, don't do that.)
post #18442 of 28732
Have you guys experience any screen dimming with a Mac input via HDMI? Initially having a desktop wallpaper shown on the TV, when a white source (such as a browser) is placed or added on the screen, the TV screen dims noticeably.

I turned off Power Saving modes and room/color sensors, still have it. Any thoughts? Is this a normal plasma behavior. Thanks.
post #18443 of 28732
I thought I read a comment from D-Nice that all Plasma's would be "dim or grey" on full screen white?

That said, I haven't tried my MacBook Pro on the Kuro yet...
post #18444 of 28732
Quick Question,

Are the break in slides 1080p?

Thanks
post #18445 of 28732
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Originally Posted by cay5021 View Post

Quick Question,

Are the break in slides 1080p?

Thanks

Doesn't matter how they're encoded. They are displayed as 1080p, just like everything else on these panels.
post #18446 of 28732
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Originally Posted by cay5021 View Post

Quick Question,

Are the break in slides 1080p?

Thanks

According to the JPEG info, Yes
post #18447 of 28732
I am starting to see displays advertised as 3D capable; would this be one?
post #18448 of 28732
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Hey, if you liked it, that's cool. Aside from an unbelievable story, painfully unrealistic dialog, horrible acting, and amateurish directing, it was okay.... No seriously, I did think it totally sucked, but I'm not a Clint fan at all (in case that wasn't obvious ). People who like him seem to really like him.

I like about 80% of Clint Eastwoods movies, but this is not one of them for me either. I read several reviews that praised it, but after watching it, I thought it sucked too! He was miserable and pissed off through the whole flick, and that just got boring and old quick... So, not only did I get roped into watching it too, I also bought it.

With my new 151, Netflix is sounding more and more tempting. These BluRay discs can break the bank if you know what I mean...
Sorry to get of topic.
post #18449 of 28732
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

I'd not think so, as the 111 hadn't been on for about 10 hours. It's plugged into a voltage regulator, which in turn is chained to a power conditioner, so it shouldn't be a voltage/spike/surge issue. If it happens again, I'm calling Pioneer.

I'm not sure if tried to isolate the problem by temporarily pluging the set directly into a wall outlet without the regulator and conditioner in the loop? One of those devices may be interfering with power-up, worth a try...
post #18450 of 28732
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Originally Posted by JoeBloggz View Post

I'm in the Northeast(SE MA). When my break in is complete and my panel has roughly 400-500hrs I am calling Gregg up for a calibration.
Also, for those who have had their panel calibrated. Do I need ControlCal to unlock the ISF modes on my 111 as a prerequisite for professional calibration or is that part of what the calibrator would do?

No, most likely the calibrators have that with them when they arrive, but then again it depends on the calibrator. I'm in NY, and have used Eliab in the past, and he uses it when he performs his magic... I'm sure you can find out what options are available in Greggs calibration packages? Either way if you decide to get CC, it's only $35 and you have it for the life of your panel to do any ISF tweaking you want in the future...

Edit: Dang, Speedy Gonprogprog beat me to the answer, didn't see his reply... LoL.
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