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post #18541 of 30259
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Originally Posted by LM2008 View Post

Hello Everyone,

I recently had my 151fd Elite and HT sound calibrated by Jeff Meier (UMR) from Accu Cal.

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I have to say that seeing the Elite in ISF Modes really reinforce that the Elite is truly an amazing display.

Thanks for your Report
post #18542 of 30259
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Originally Posted by amill94 View Post

Ok guys, I've searched and not found the exact answer to my questions. I have a PRO-151. I have about 4 months of use on it so far. If I purchase control cal I know I can unlock the ISF day and night modes. If I use one of these modes, and DON'T change any default settings, will it make any improvement in picture from PURE mode? I know the ISF modes are brighter, but is that only after being calibrated? Thanks for the help.

On my 151, even the default settings for ISF Day were far brighter than Pure mode (with D-nice's settings), at least to my eyes. Applying D-nice's setting to ISF Day made it even better then the default settings. I then made a few additional adjustments to my personal preferences and found the picture even better in terms of richness, flesh tones and blackness. Not even close when comparing to Pure from my perspective.
post #18543 of 30259
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Well, I didn't..and wouldn't....make a blanket statement that everybody should have their BD player do the upscaling. Now, I have found that all my hi-def players outperform the Kuro in upscaling DVDs, but that's just me. Others have said they feel the Kuro is the best upscaler in their system. So you really have to compare the two and decide which you think does a better job. (FWIW, I'd pretty much make that blanket statement if your BD player is the Oppo BDP-83, which is the best upscaler I've ever seen. )

Okay, so now you've decided which component will do the upscaling. Next decision is whether you want to employ inverse telecine and display DVDs at 1080p/24. This gets discussed a lot and preferences vary. Personally, I don't like it because it causes noticeable motion artifacts that I find annoying. I turn it OFF in my BDP-83s.

So here are the settings you need if you want:

  • BD player upscales & play DVDs at 1080p/24 (employ inverse telecine):
    • Set the BD player's Output Resolution to 1080p, and 24p to ON.
    • Set the Kuro's Pure Cinema setting to STANDARD or ADVANCE.
  • BD player upscales & play DVDs at 1080p/60:
    • Set the BD player's Output Resolution to 1080p, and 24p to OFF.
    • The Kuro's PC setting won't impact the signal.
  • Kuro upscales & play DVDs at 1080p/24 (employ inverse telecine):
    • Set the BD player's Output Resolution to native (source direct).
    • Set the Kuro's PC setting to ADVANCE.
  • Kuro upscales & play DVDs at 1080p/60:
    • Set the BD player's Output Resolution to native (source direct).
    • Set the Kuro's PC setting to OFF, SMOOTH, or STANDARD.
For what it's worth, HH, I set my BD player to 1080p, 24p to OFF, and Pure Cinema to STANDARD.

I too have come to prefer these same settings for my Oppo 83 and 151.
post #18544 of 30259
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Originally Posted by heatwave3 View Post

On my 151, even the default settings for ISF Day were far brighter than Pure mode (with D-nice's settings), at least to my eyes. Applying D-nice's setting to ISF Day made it even better then the default settings. I then made a few additional adjustments to my personal preferences and found the picture even better in terms of richness, flesh tones and blackness. Not even close when comparing to Pure from my perspective.

What is the manufacture date on your 151?
post #18545 of 30259
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Originally Posted by Vashti View Post

Hey guys! I haven't been here in a LOONG time. It's like coming home after a long vacation. So I'm trying to get my Dad to pick up an elite before they're gone. I haven't done any TV research since I bought my 141 last October.

Elite owners, if you had it to do again, would you still grab an Elite (a model that is nearly a year old) rather than whatever's come down the pike in the last year? Thanks for any feedback.

WOW!

She's back.

Imo, there is nothing else in the foreseable future that will be as good
as a Kuro.

If your dad is looking for a 50" you should try to talk him into a 101 or
a KRP500M, D-Nice has confirmed they have some 10G tech. in them
that make the blacks even blacker.

Welcome back.
post #18546 of 30259
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Originally Posted by hd_axel View Post

What is the manufacture date on your 151?

Dec 2008
post #18547 of 30259
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Originally Posted by LM2008 View Post

Hello Everyone,

I recently had my 151fd Elite and HT sound calibrated by Jeff Meier (UMR) from Accu Cal. For those who seen my posts know that I am know very little to talk technical in term of audio and video. So I am just going to share my calibration experience from someone who wants the best and enjoy reading about home theater. I have no knowledge or have heard of anyone calibrating their tv or audio before reading this forum, so to hire someone just from reading this forum to calibrate our tv and HT system is very different for us.

From reading this forum I have already had a positive bias that Jeff would be a great person to calibrate our tv especially with his audio expertise. Knowing that I want to tempt my enthusiasm and report from what I have seen. Jeff spent approximately 5.5 hrs on calibrating our tv and audio (3 hrs on isf night and day to all 3 inputs and 1.5 hrs on audio).

Video Experience:
I have to say that seeing the Elite in ISF Modes really reinforce that the Elite is truly an amazing display. The colors are so rich and the picture is just amazing to look at. Since my family watch a lot of foreign music sd dvd, I have to put it in as a test. I thanks Jeff for putting up with that.

Audio Experience:
I don't know much about audio but I do know that my HT sound just does not sound good. Before this audio calibration, my HT sound was ok and it was just sound to me and I did not really enjoy it as much. Obviously, my HT system need a lot or should I say everything fixed or adjusted. After Jeff calibrated our audio, I can actually say that this is what HT system should sound like or like I was in the movie theater.

Again I want to thank Jeff for coming to our house and calibrate our tv and sound system. I will definitely ask Jeff to come back if and when we get a dedicate space for a home theater instead of a man cave. Jeff is highly regards here in this forum and I would recommend Jeff to anyone who is looking to get not only their TV but also HT system calibrated.

+1 for audio. He calibrated my audio too and day and night difference between before and after. I will never use an auto-calibration again after hearing this.
post #18548 of 30259
Has anyone attempted to install the upgraded version of ControlCAL (version 1.45)?

As there are no files installed on your computer (in essence, you are running an independent executable file), there is technically no software to "uninstall"? Is it just a matter of just running the new executable file?

Are there new profiles to go with the software, or do we just use the old profiles from 1.41?

What differences have you seen between the two versions?

Thanks!
post #18549 of 30259
am i posting in the wrong thread..this is the ELite thread correct?? How come no one can answer my concerns
post #18550 of 30259
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Originally Posted by rkish View Post

Has anyone attempted to install the upgraded version of ControlCAL (version 1.45)?

As there are no files installed on your computer (in essence, you are running an independent executable file), there is technically no software to "uninstall"? Is it just a matter of just running the new executable file?

Are there new profiles to go with the software, or do we just use the old profiles from 1.41?

What differences have you seen between the two versions?

Thanks!

It's just a new version of the whole installation. If you don't already have ControlCAL on your computer, just run the install as new. The profiles come with it (they haven't changed, ASAIK). I don't know the differences...nothing that shows up in operation. I suspect it's just bug fixes, but maybe turbe can elaborate.
post #18551 of 30259
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Originally Posted by STILESP113 View Post

am i posting in the wrong thread..this is the ELite thread correct?? How come no one can answer my concerns

people tried if i am not mistaken. i can't really think of one reason why your display would have "grayish blacks". I would recommend pm D-Nice, lately he is active around here again. follow whatever he recommends.
post #18552 of 30259
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Originally Posted by STILESP113 View Post

am i posting in the wrong thread..this is the ELite thread correct?? How come no one can answer my concerns

No, you're not in the wrong thread, and I can see why you're frustrated. I just don't think anybody knows what to do with your problem.

All I can suggest is doing a reset and starting over with the Kuro settings. Just to be thorough and rule out other possibilities, I would also take your PS3 to your friend's house and try it with his panel. If it looks right then, without changing the settings at all, you can conclude that the issue is solely in your Kuro. (But if it looks wrong there, too, then the PS3 is the culprit.) If the blacks look noticeably too light even in a high-contrast mode like PERFORMANCE in its default settings, I think it's time to call service.
post #18553 of 30259
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Originally Posted by JTMav View Post

I am glad someone else has chimed in here about this. I have a 151 and a BDP-51 and have been noticing the same. I use NetFlix and have seen several DVDs that did just as well as some BDs on my 151. I am really impressed with the players ability to upscale and watch the results on the 151. I am not a big collector but I would certainly preview a movie before I purchased it to see if the BD premium is worth it. The Dark Knight has been running on HBOHD lately on FIOS and I think it looked as good or better than the BD.
YMMV

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Originally Posted by James W. Johnson View Post

If you left it alone with 'as good' id not have said anything. But id like your opinion on just how the HBOHD version could look better ? ?

It's true that quality varies in BDs, of course. A well-mastered DVD can look better than a BD thrown together from an old, crappy master. (Really pisses me off when they do that, because if it's a good/classic movie, you know they'll eventually double-dip and put out a high-quality re-mastered blu-ray version.) But most of the time, I do think BD yields better PQ.

But you guys didn't mention the other HUGE advantage of blu-ray: the lossless audio. If you're not using a surround system, it wouldn't matter, of course. But on my system, the HD audio tracks fairly consistently outperform their lossy counterparts. And as good as The Dark Knight looked on HBO, that DD5.1 sounded relatively anemic compared to the real deal. At this point, blu-ray is the only way to get the upgraded audio.
post #18554 of 30259
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Originally Posted by STILESP113 View Post

andf my blacks do not look anything like the pics that guy posted of baraka. i can see where the frame begins and the screen starts. my buddies tv is black as hell and so is my fathers 5020 wtf!!!! should i call pioneer and have someone come out and look at the guts of my tv??


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Originally Posted by STILESP113 View Post

am i posting in the wrong thread..this is the ELite thread correct?? How come no one can answer my concerns

If your set is still in warranty, have you tried to contact Pioneer and have them help you diagnose and resolve your concerns? Or ask them if an authorized service center could come out to diagnose the problems, especially if the suggestions here from forum members haven't been satisfactory?
post #18555 of 30259
But you guys didn't mention the other HUGE advantage of blu-ray: the lossless audio. If you're not using a surround system, it wouldn't matter, of course. But on my system, the HD audio tracks fairly consistently outperform their lossy counterparts. And as good as The Dark Knight looked on HBO, that DD5.1 sounded relatively anemic compared to the real deal. At this point, blu-ray is the only way to get the upgraded audio.[/quote]

I was going to mention this, but the thrust of the thread was video. With the recent firmware upgrade the BDP-51 hi-rez audio is substantially better. I have a dedicated room with a 6.1 system and there is a bigger improvement on BD audio wise then there is video. IMHO
post #18556 of 30259
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Originally Posted by LM2008 View Post

Hello Everyone,

I recently had my 151fd Elite and HT sound calibrated by Jeff Meier (UMR) from Accu Cal.

Thanks for your calibration report. I've included it in the flat panel (Post#2) list that's linked at the bottom of my post.
post #18557 of 30259
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

It's true that quality varies in BDs, of course. A well-mastered DVD can look better than a BD thrown together from an old, crappy master. (Really pisses me off when they do that, because if it's a good/classic movie, you know they'll eventually double-dip and put out a high-quality re-mastered blu-ray version.) But most of the time, I do think BD yields better PQ.

But you guys didn't mention the other HUGE advantage of blu-ray: the lossless audio. If you're not using a surround system, it wouldn't matter, of course. But on my system, the HD audio tracks fairly consistently outperform their lossy counterparts. And as good as The Dark Knight looked on HBO, that DD5.1 sounded relatively anemic compared to the real deal. At this point, blu-ray is the only way to get the upgraded audio.

+1, Absolutely!
post #18558 of 30259
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Originally Posted by heatwave3 View Post

Dec 2008

Thank you. My 151 is a Feb. 2009 build, and the settings for ISF don't apply or render the same PQ according to D-Nice, and I have to agree after putting the posted settings into my CC app. As a result, unfortunately I will be putting in several hours into CC to get where I'm happy with the PQ. Right now Optimum and Pure are performing the best on my 350 hour panel...
post #18559 of 30259
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Originally Posted by hd_axel View Post

Thank you. My 151 is a Feb. 2009 build, and the settings for ISF don't apply or render the same PQ according to D-Nice, and I have to agree after putting the posted settings into my CC app. As a result, unfortunately I will be putting in several hours into CC to get where I'm happy with the PQ. Right now Optimum and Pure are performing the best on my 350 hour panel...

Just curious, did you apply the settings with disc sources or with your TV signal? I found that there's such a difference between them that I had to tweak extensively to get decent-looking PQ with my cable signal. (D-Nice's ISF settings looked great with blu-rays, but kind of garish for TV.)
post #18560 of 30259
My 111FD is an April 2009 build. Right now there are just over 100hrs on the panel and I am EXTREMELY happy with it. I am still running mostly break in slides and little HD. I will try D-nice's setting in a week or two. Now CC is another story. All the recent findings(2009 vs.2008) have given me pause regarding the ISF modes ulocked with CC. It seems a may be a bit more work for us 9G 2009 owners. Too bad
post #18561 of 30259
Getting the gamma points 100% correct is trickier, but don't let that frighten you at all.

The ISFccc modes are well worth activating even if you can't get them precisely accurate.
post #18562 of 30259
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Originally Posted by aseer View Post

I have been searching for spec's on the IR repeater out port and cannot find any information (here or at Pioneer's website).

I assume an IR flasher with a 3.5mm plug will work (that's the impression I get from some of the posts here but correct me if I need a special connector).

Can the output signal be split and if so, how many times before I need an amplifier (1x3 1x4)? Ideally I would love to stick a 1x4 passive flasher array in the kuro port and be done with it but I can use a distribution amplifier if necessary.


I was thinking of using something like this:
http://www.xantech.com/Infrared/Infr...gBlocks/78944/

Can anyone tell me if this won't work?
post #18563 of 30259
Question. after you access the IFC modes with a laptop and where you can check the hours on the tv do you still need a laptop to access it again, or is it now available from the menue?
post #18564 of 30259
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Question. after you access the IFC modes with a laptop and where you can check the hours on the tv do you still need a laptop to access it again, or is it now available from the menue?

You have to run ControlCAL with the right profile to see the number of hours on your panel each time you want to look at it.
post #18565 of 30259
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Originally Posted by hd_axel View Post

Thank you. My 151 is a Feb. 2009 build, and the settings for ISF don't apply or render the same PQ according to D-Nice, and I have to agree after putting the posted settings into my CC app. As a result, unfortunately I will be putting in several hours into CC to get where I'm happy with the PQ. Right now Optimum and Pure are performing the best on my 350 hour panel...


What did you think of the default ISF Day settings versus Optimum or Pure? I find for my eyes that the settings already set in ControlCal will result in a better picture than either Optimum or Pure. The default ISF settings result in a brighter, richer and sharper picture than either Pure (w/ D-nice's settings) or Optimum with factory settings.
post #18566 of 30259
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Question. after you access the IFC modes with a laptop and where you can check the hours on the tv do you still need a laptop to access it again, or is it now available from the menue?

You'll still need your laptop and the appropriate profile to view the hours. Once activated using your laptop, you'll actually view the hrs on your elite panel.
post #18567 of 30259
Common knowledge 500m is darker, 111FD lighter. My own tests don't verify that. I think its just the specific panels and not the norm. D-nice's words and others I believe. Anyone with ane earlier 500m.. or late 111FD can verify what I am seeing? My manu dates are February for the 500m and August for the 111FD.

It'll save me the trouble of sending out for another one and save me some cash. I still think I am gonna send my plasma out for peace of mind for another 500m
post #18568 of 30259
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Originally Posted by aseer View Post

I was thinking of using something like this:
http://www.xantech.com/Infrared/Infr...gBlocks/78944/

Can anyone tell me if this won't work?

You know, I could swear I remember a post from someone successfully using that exact setup. But I don't know when or where I saw it. (Maybe a forum search would help.) But go ahead and give it a try, aseer. If you buy it from someplace with a good return policy, you can always return it if there's a problem.

I assume all your components are out of convenient line-of-sight from where you sit? Pioneer makes their IR repeater sound proprietary, but that's just typical manufacturer marketing-speak. (They want you to buy all Pioneer components, of course.) IR repeaters are a pretty basic technology and I know that others have successfully used their Kuro's repeater with other equipment.
post #18569 of 30259
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Originally Posted by heatwave3 View Post

You'll still need your laptop and the appropriate profile to view the hours. Once activated using your laptop, you'll actually view the hrs on your elite panel.

What about the IFC modes, can i just access those from the menue without a laptop after i unlock it?

Which profile is for the hours?
post #18570 of 30259
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Originally Posted by johnnybrulez View Post

Common knowledge 500m is darker, 111FD lighter. My own tests don't verify that. I think its just the specific panels and not the norm. D-nice's words and others I believe. Anyone with ane earlier 500m.. or late 111FD can verify what I am seeing? My manu dates are February for the 500m and August for the 111FD.

It'll save me the trouble of sending out for another one and save me some cash. I still think I am gonna send my plasma out for peace of mind for another 500m

I've seen 111FD builds from May 2008 through April 2009. The all look the same to me.... lighter with a 0% stimuli test pattern compared to the 500M/101FD. I have no information for Pioneer stating that they are using 500M/101FD PDP modules in newer builds nor have I seen any serials saying they are. The PDP module part number/serial number is located in the upper left hand coner of the display on the back (look through the vent holes). What is the part number for your PDP module and when was it built?
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