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post #18661 of 30260
I got the remote thing figured out...well, kind of. Does anyone know why there is a picture of two remotes laying side by side in the manual? Because, from what I understand, the "Learning function" requires you to input the remote code from that device's manual and you don't need the other remote. Or have I missed something?

Alas, I tried watching Harry Potter: Order of the Phoenix on HD-DVD on my HD-A2 via HDMI; 1080i only, though. A few things I noticed on my inaugural run:
  • Definitely noticed the bezel in some of the darker parts of the film...but I had some ambient light. Do I need to be pitch-black for this to work? This little "I can't see the bezel, it blends in!" thing?
  • During some pan scenes, crowds in the background seemed to go slightly fuzzy, but after the camera stopped, they were crystal-clear again. Is this because it's 1080i? But I thought the PRO-111FD had a great deinterlacer?
  • Daniel Radcliffe is actually pretty pale. Is it just me, the display, or Daniel Radcliffe? Colors didn't seem terribly vibrant, but it may have been my movie of choice.

Overall, I'm impressed. Don't take this the wrong way, but it's mainly for its size and not the quality. I've never seen a 50" HDTV in my house and it looks superb. When I wasn't trying to nitpick, the blacks were so rich and deep.

Now that I've seen some TV, I'm running the 150 hour break-in. Hopefully, after I input D-Nice's settings, I'll get some stunning visuals.

~Ibrahim~
post #18662 of 30260
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Originally Posted by pj121391 View Post

Congrats, and Great choice you will not be disappointed. Robert & Wendy are GREAT folks...I bought 2 Kuro's from them and they run a 1st Class Company

Have to agree unconditionally!
Robert & Wendy at Value electronics take a great product and treat it with the love and care it deserves. They're GREAT TO DO BUSINESS WITH.
post #18663 of 30260
On the universal remote discussion;


I just bought one of THESE
From what I have read on this one it takes a bit more work to get it set up but if you put the time in you will be rewarded. I hope this is true , if not I hope the RF at least works well, then I at least have a volume control when I listen to music outside on my deck. And that will be fine with me if all it is good for because that is what made me think about looking at remotes in the first place.
post #18664 of 30260
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Originally Posted by ArborBarber View Post

Thanks All...
Took progprog's advice and went with Robert from Value Electronics. I'll be the proud owner of a 151 come Sat or Sun. I was really torn though between the 141 and the 500m...60" signature glass...darkest blacks ever...separates...SD card...Blue only mode...the choices are endless! I'd like to see a shoot out between all three...nudge, nudge.

I got my 151 from Robert as well. Class act. You won't be disappointed in the TV or the service from VE.
post #18665 of 30260
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Originally Posted by James W. Johnson View Post

A tree trimmer? Are there any trees in New Jersey?


I bet I have more trees in my yard than the entire state of New Jersey has.



Here's a little geography lesson for you. You've obviously never been to northwest NJ or the NJ Pine Barrens ("The Pine Barrens are part of 1.1 million acres of the Pinelands National Reserve, which ranges from northern Ocean County south and west, and occupies 22% of New Jersey's land area. It is the largest body of open space on the Mid-Atlantic seaboard between Richmond and Boston, covering vast areas in Ocean, Burlington, Camden, Cape May, Cumberland, Gloucester and Atlantic Counties."

Heck ....where I live, my front yard is covered in 200-300 yr old black walnut trees and the zoning in my town is a minimum of 6 acres per home and the town next door is a minimum of 12 acres per home. Trust me, NJ's far more than the turnpike and the cesspools of Trenton and Newark.
post #18666 of 30260
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Originally Posted by heatwave3 View Post

Here's a little geography lesson for you. You've obviously never been to northwest NJ or the NJ Pine Barrens ("The Pine Barrens are part of 1.1 million acres of the Pinelands National Reserve, which ranges from northern Ocean County south and west, and occupies 22% of New Jersey's land area. It is the largest body of open space on the Mid-Atlantic seaboard between Richmond and Boston, covering vast areas in Ocean, Burlington, Camden, Cape May, Cumberland, Gloucester and Atlantic Counties."

Heck ....where I live, my front yard is covered in 200-300 yr old black walnut trees and the zoning in my town is a minimum of 6 acres per home and the town next door is a minimum of 12 acres per home. Trust me, NJ's far more than the turnpike and the cesspools of Trenton and Newark.


Sounds nice, the furthest east ive been in the US is Denver CO, when I lived in Glenwood Springs CO for a year.
My lot is 50'x150' so its tiny compared to yours.

Id like to make a trip to the East Coast one of these days, I gotta see NYC and Washington DC before I die.
post #18667 of 30260
Here's my equipment before I get to the questions:
Pro-111FD
Oppo BDP-83
Spears & Munsil High Definition Benchmark Disc

Are there Kuro owners here that calibrate to display all levels above reference (235)? At what level do you clip? How much video material actually strays outside the nominal video range? When I changed the contrast on my 111 and BDP-83 to display all levels of white on the Spears & Munsil Contrast Test, the image appeared a tad warmer but there was also less "punch". I was originally using D-Nice's Pure Settings before the Spears & Munsil tests, but had to lower Color to 0 from his recommended +3, as the Spears & Munsil Clipping Test showed clipping on all the available colors, even when my player's contrast setting was 0 (default). D-Nice's Pure Settings seem to clip the whites at about level 236 on my unit. If anyone cares to share their thoughts and experiences with calibrating above reference white, or knows/thinks they know why my colors are clipped on +3, please reply.
post #18668 of 30260
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Hey, didn't you ever see The Sopranos episode "Pine Barrens?" Lots of trees! Poor Pauly and Christopher thought they were going to starve to death there.

Classic! Earlier in the episode, Chrissy is complaining how hungry he is. Pauly says wait a bit and we'll go to Morton's for a steak. Well, bada-bing, bada-bang, things go awry and they're reduced to sucking ketchup and mustard packets. I miss that show.
post #18669 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Classic! Earlier in the episode, Chrissy is complaining how hungry he is. Pauly says wait a bit and we'll go to Morton's for a steak. Well, bada-bing, bada-bang, things go awry and they're reduced to sucking ketchup and mustard packets. I miss that show.

Me too. We still pull out episodes to watch on a regular basis. Did you know that "Pine Barrens" was directed by Steve Buscemi? He's a pretty decent director, I think- last year, he brought a little movie he made called Interview to the Seattle Film Festival, and sat for a great Q&A afterward. I liked the movie, but I'm not sure if it ever got a real release.
post #18670 of 30260
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Me too. We still pull out episodes to watch on a regular basis. Did you know that "Pine Barrens" was directed by Steve Buscemi? He's a pretty decent director, I think- last year, he brought a little movie he made called Interview to the Seattle Film Festival, and sat for a great Q&A afterward. I liked the movie, but I'm not sure if it ever got a real release.

Steve Buscemi, aka Mr. Pink. I did know he directed that episode. I think he's directed a couple more too. He's great in whatever he does. Did you talk to him at the Seattle film fest? Prog- "Mr. Buscemi, have you tried our famous smoked salmon and Dungeness? Now why the *bleep* does Monsters, Inc on blu-ray keep getting postponed?" Randall Boggs would not be happy.
post #18671 of 30260
Haha....I didn't think to ask that! We were there for the Q&A and my son asked him a question, but I don't recall what it was. (Something about his work with the Coen brothers, I think....)
post #18672 of 30260
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Me too. We still pull out episodes to watch on a regular basis. [IMG]http://www.*****************/trafficreport/img/3721/k08t1221bbuq/gdsmile.gif[/IMG] Did you know that "Pine Barrens" was directed by Steve Buscemi? He's a pretty decent director, I think- last year, he brought a little movie he made called Interview to the Seattle Film Festival, and sat for a great Q&A afterward. I liked the movie, but I'm not sure if it ever got a real release.

Oh I know that movie but I don't know Steve Buscemi.
Well, he is really good director if he directed that movie.
post #18673 of 30260
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Originally Posted by heatwave3 View Post

I got my 151 from Robert as well. Class act. You won't be disappointed in the TV or the service from VE.


111 owner and I want to add to the praise of Robert and VE. Life long customer here!
post #18674 of 30260
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Originally Posted by pj121391 View Post

Congrats, and Great choice you will not be disappointed. Robert & Wendy are GREAT folks...I bought 2 Kuro's from them and they run a 1st Class Company[IMG]http://***************/9/P/i.jpg[/IMG]

Good stuff...1st class eh :P I might have to look into these Kuro's
post #18675 of 30260
James,
I actually live in the Pine Barrens. Our towns motif is "The Gateway To The Pines". I don't know if I could count the trees on my property or not. The state license plate says...The Garden State. We actually grow some of the best produce in the country. We have the blue berry capitol of the world here (Hammonton). We produce more cranberries than any other state. We are said to have the best tomatoes in the world. White corn produced here is the best I have ever had, many many people agree with me on that.

"The Pinelands National Reserve (PNR) was created by Congress under the National Parks and Recreation Act of 1978. The PNR is the first National Reserve in the nation. The PNR encompasses approximately 1.1 million acres covering portions of seven counties and all or parts of 56 municipalities.
In 1983 the area was designated a U.S. Biosphere Reserve by UNESCO an agency of the United Nations and in 1988 it was recognized as a International Biosphere Reserve.
39 species of mammals, 299 Bird, 59 reptile and amphibian species and 91 fish species have been identified as occurring within the Pinelands. They include 43 animal species listed as threatened or endangered by the New Jersey Division of Fish and Wildlife".*

As you can see James, NJ isn't just any old "Concrete Jungle".

*http://www.state.nj.us/pinelands/reserve/
post #18676 of 30260
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Originally Posted by ArborBarber View Post

James,
I actually live in the Pine Barrens. Our towns motif is "The Gateway To The Pines". I don't know if I could count the trees on my property or not. The state license plate says...The Garden State. We actually grow some of the best produce in the country. We have the blue berry capitol of the world here (Hammonton). We produce more cranberries than any other state. We are said to have the best tomatoes in the world. White corn produced here is the best I have ever had, many many people agree with me on that.

"The Pinelands National Reserve (PNR) was created by Congress under the National Parks and Recreation Act of 1978. The PNR is the first National Reserve in the nation. The PNR encompasses approximately 1.1 million acres covering portions of seven counties and all or parts of 56 municipalities.
In 1983 the area was designated a U.S. Biosphere Reserve by UNESCO an agency of the United Nations and in 1988 it was recognized as a International Biosphere Reserve.
39 species of mammals, 299 Bird, 59 reptile and amphibian species and 91 fish species have been identified as occurring within the Pinelands. They include 43 animal species listed as threatened or endangered by the New Jersey Division of Fish and Wildlife".*

As you can see James, NJ isn't just any old "Concrete Jungle".

*http://www.state.nj.us/pinelands/reserve/

And don't forget the highest property taxes in the country, on average.
post #18677 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Amon View Post

Here's my equipment before I get to the questions:
Pro-111FD
Oppo BDP-83
Spears & Munsil High Definition Benchmark Disc

Are there Kuro owners here that calibrate to display all levels above reference (235)? At what level do you clip? How much video material actually strays outside the nominal video range? When I changed the contrast on my 111 and BDP-83 to display all levels of white on the Spears & Munsil Contrast Test, the image appeared a tad warmer but there was also less "punch". I was originally using D-Nice's Pure Settings before the Spears & Munsil tests, but had to lower Color to 0 from his recommended +3, as the Spears & Munsil Clipping Test showed clipping on all the available colors, even when my player's contrast setting was 0 (default). D-Nice's Pure Settings seem to clip the whites at about level 236 on my unit. If anyone cares to share their thoughts and experiences with calibrating above reference white, or knows/thinks they know why my colors are clipped on +3, please reply.

I experienced this clipping with my Denon 3800 BD player and my kuro 151. I also was using D-Nice's pure settings. With the S&M disc, I had to reduce the contrast to -2 in my BD player to see all of the white levels. Consequently I had to reduce the color in the 151 from +3 to 0. I think it looks much better--more depth, more natural, and easier on the eyes.
post #18678 of 30260
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Originally Posted by James W. Johnson View Post

Sounds nice, the furthest east ive been in the US is Denver CO, when I lived in Glenwood Springs CO for a year.
My lot is 50'x150' so its tiny compared to yours.

Id like to make a trip to the East Coast one of these days, I gotta see NYC and Washington DC before I die.

James, By all means if you do plan a trip out East, in your itinerary, you need to check out my neck of the woods(No Pun Intended...), The Adirondack Region! It is so vast that you can place 5 of the State Parks from out West(USA) into the Adirondack State Park Region!! Incredible foliage in the Autumn...
post #18679 of 30260
#1 Michael Jackson , I cannot say I was ever a big fan of yours but I remember when you were in your prime. I cannot say I have ever seen another artist or band since do what you did. Rest In Peace.


ArborBarber;hd_axel, I will make it your way one of these days.Lets get back on topic........

To the new Elite Kuro owners, I have 2 pieces of advice to hand out. #1 concentrate on enjoying your new PDP and after you've put a few hundred hours on it then I recommend finding an IFS certified calibrator who has experience with Kuros to calibrate your Kuro and activate the ISF modes with Turbe's ControlCAL.
post #18680 of 30260
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Originally Posted by James W. Johnson View Post

#1 Michael Jackson , I cannot say I was ever a big fan of yours but I remember when you were in your prime. I cannot say I have ever seen another artist or band since do what you did. Rest In Peace.


ArborBarber;hd_axel, I will make it your way one of these days.Lets get back on topic........

To the new Elite Kuro owners, I have 2 pieces of advice to hand out. #1 concentrate on enjoying your new PDP and after you've put a few hundred hours on it then I recommend finding an IFS certified calibrator who has experience with Kuros to calibrate your Kuro and activate the ISF modes with Turbe's ControlCAL.

Is it really worth it to get it calibrated? Like, I've spent a hefty penny on getting one; the *only* thing bothering me about it is that colors don't pop. Blacks, of course, are gorgeous but I'm a color-fan more than a contrast-fan.

What do you guys think about the color sensor bar that comes with it? Is that any good?

~Ibrahim~

P.S. I would try the senor bar, but I'm in the 150 hour break-in period. The wait is nearly killing me, lol!
post #18681 of 30260
Ibrahim,

You're not using that "optimizer" attachment? I might be picking up a 141. I wonder how much good that does as well. And I too noticed on my last look at the 141 that the colors didn't "pop" either. This I read has something to do with the picture mode the set was in. I think for that "pop" it has to be in "Pure Mode"? Guys correct me if I'm wrong. I think it's less accurate but does give you that pop.

At the shop I think some one tweaked the settings. Eyeballing it. And they were not using the optimizer attachment.

Also, could it be the BD you were looking at? Some movies intentionally don't use a color pallet with colors that would lend themselves to "popping". Intentionally sort of "muted". Like Dark Knight. Well it's not exactly muted but the colors used are mostly on the "dark" side. Try Iron Man.
post #18682 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Dark7pt1 View Post

Ibrahim,

You're not using that "optimizer" attachment? I might be picking up a 141. I wonder how much good that does as well. And I too noticed on my last look at the 141 that the colors didn't "pop" either. This I read has something to do with the picture mode the set was in. I think for that "pop" it has to be in "Pure Mode"? Guys correct me if I'm wrong. I think it's less accurate but does give you that pop.

At the shop I think some one tweaked the settings. Eyeballing it. And they were not using the optimizer attachment.

Also, could it be the BD you were looking at? Some movies intentionally don't use a color pallet with colors that would lend themselves to "popping". Intentionally sort of "muted". Like Dark Knight. Well it's not exactly muted but the colors used are mostly on the "dark" side. Try Iron Man.

No. I never plugged it in. I thought it used the existing S-Video port (the connector looks very much like S-Video), but it, thankfully, has its own port.

Well, I had it in Pure Mode, truthfully. I think it may have been my movie: 5th Harry Potter; it is pretty gloomy,lol.

Well, I'd love to get Iron Man, but I only have an HD-DVD player right now. Still saving up to get a Blu-Ray player. I'll look for some Pixar movies I have, but all my HD-DVDs are gloomy: 300, HP 5, and Blood Diamond.

~Ibrahim~
post #18683 of 30260
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Originally Posted by ikjadoon View Post

Is it really worth it to get it calibrated? Like, I've spent a hefty penny on getting one; the *only* thing bothering me about it is that colors don't pop. Blacks, of course, are gorgeous but I'm a color-fan more than a contrast-fan.

What do you guys think about the color sensor bar that comes with it? Is that any good?

~Ibrahim~

P.S. I would try the senor bar, but I'm in the 150 hour break-in period. The wait is nearly killing me, lol!

IMO, Yes. I had my 151 calibrated by D-Nice and think it was money well spent.
post #18684 of 30260
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Originally Posted by ikjadoon View Post

Is it really worth it to get it calibrated?

Ibrahim: Congrats on your new Kuro--you'll love it!

May I please offer a respectful suggestion?

You may wish to use the search function on this thread for the answer to this particular question.

The question is one that comes up often, engenders a lot of unresolved debate, and the various positions are well stated in many previous posts.

Besides, while searching, you'll have access to all the opinions you could ever want on this topic in a few seconds

Good luck!
post #18685 of 30260
OK. I think I'll take John's advice: let it finish this break-in, get a Blu-Ray Player, and then later on in the summer, I'll get it professionally calibrated.

Thanks,

~Ibrahim~

P.S. Got it, MVP. Searching now.
post #18686 of 30260
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Originally Posted by Dark7pt1 View Post

.....And I too noticed on my last look at the 141 that the colors didn't "pop" either. This I read has something to do with the picture mode the set was in. I think for that "pop" it has to be in "Pure Mode"? Guys correct me if I'm wrong. I think it's less accurate but does give you that pop.

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Originally Posted by ikjadoon View Post

Well, I had it in Pure Mode, truthfully. I think it may have been my movie: 5th Harry Potter; it is pretty gloomy,lol.

Well, I'd love to get Iron Man, but I only have an HD-DVD player right now. Still saving up to get a Blu-Ray player. I'll look for some Pixar movies I have, but all my HD-DVDs are gloomy: 300, HP 5, and Blood Diamond.

~Ibrahim~

Just a quick correction: You guys have it backwards on the AV modes. PURE is the one that's considered more accurate, but lackbg pop by many users. If you like more color, I'd suggest you try PERFORMANCE, OPTIMUM, or activate the ISF modes.

Also, Harry Potter isn't a good place to look for color and contrast.
post #18687 of 30260
You just bought a Kuro and you need to "save up" for a BD player?? Are you planning on getting one of the $2000 players??

And I do hope you invest in Blu-ray soon. So many great titles already out and tons on the way.

If you had it in Pure Mode then I'm wrong. It's not the color mode that "pops". There's an article from Home Theater Magazine's website I think on the 141. Mentions which color mode to use if you want that "pop". Google it. That might help get you what you're looking for.

This is not the article but another. But tells you basically the same thing to help you get that "pop".

http://hometheaterreview.com/pioneer...itor-reviewed/

But in general I doubt it's the Kuro. Likely your choice of movie.
post #18688 of 30260
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Originally Posted by ikjadoon View Post

OK. I think I'll take John's advice: let it finish this break-in, get a Blu-Ray Player, and then later on in the summer, I'll get it professionally calibrated.

Thanks,

~Ibrahim~

P.S. Got it, MVP. Searching now.

Cool--good luck, and please feel free PM anytime if the search doesn't answer everything you need.
post #18689 of 30260
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Originally Posted by ikjadoon View Post

Is it really worth it to get it calibrated?

You can read owner's reactions to having their displays calibrated using the link at the bottom of my post. For flat panel displays go to post number two.
post #18690 of 30260
lol...saving for this Kuro took a butt ton of time. Don't take this the wrong way, but my home theater budget is tiny compared to some other users here. You don't want to know what I use for speakers, lol.

But, the very next item is a Blu-Ray player. I've thought about maybe hooking up an old computer and tossing a $100 Blu-Ray drive in there. Not sure what that means for profiles and what not, though.

Ah, so PURE is not for colors? I'll input D-Nice's settings in the first page of that one thread and check it out with Blood Diamond after the break-in. Yeah, I'm pretty confident it isn't the KURO either, now. The break-in's images actually look pretty vibrant.

Sweet, thanks MVP. I might take you up on that later, but for now, I'm doing all right.

Oh, it's the second post? I had seen that earlier, but I was like: I can't believe there isn't a single Pioneer review on here! Gotcha......

Thanks for all the encouragement, guys. Definitely happy to be on the plasma side of the fence,

~Ibrahim~
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