The Official Pioneer 9G Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 64

Got my 151 from Value Electronics and it's beyond what I had hoped it would be. For a while now, and I know that I'm not alone, I have really been sweating the buzz and pixel issues and during the wait came to expect that some problem or other would befall me, but so far, not one imperfection. My panel is dead quiet unless you pop your head around back with your ear against the panel and then you hear a faint hum, but nothing out front at all. And while my experience is limited, blacks to me, are the best I've seen. I think that color too will be world class once the panels have been fine tuned. After studying screens that are of one predominant color, I can see some slight hazing, but it requires alot of focusing and it is minimal at best. I'll be surprised if it doesn't clear up during the break-in process.
Robert has been amazing. He's such a professional, and you see it throughout his organization. It was a pleasure to do business with Value. When a potential glitch surfaced with my delivery, there was Robert, calling me with the trucking co on his other line, advocating for me and quickly resolving an issue with them in a pick-up conference call, that I was not able to get them to agree to. Not bad by today's standards of service!
No wonder this coming weekend's world class "Flat Panel Shoot-Out" is being hosted by Robert and Value Electronics, where else should it be!-bird

Ok, here are the starter settings. I can guarantee you that these settings will change after the break-in period. Peak light output has been set to 35fL. If you want more brightness, boost the contrast up. Now I'm off for some R&R. No more 9G Kuro testing until next week.

Enjoy

Pioneer Elite 111FD/151FD Starter Settings

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 37
Brightness: 0
Color: +3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15


Pro Adjust

Pure Cinema

Film Mode: Advance
Text Optimization: Off

Intelligence: Off


Picture Detail:

DRE Picture: Off
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer Mode: 1
Gamma: 1


Color Detail:

Color Temp: Manual
R High -3
G High 0
B High -2
R Low 0
G Low 0
B Low +1

CTI: Off

Color Management
R 0
Y +1
G 0
C -2
B 0
M -2

Color Space: 2


Noise Reduction:

3DNR: Off
Field NR: Off
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off

Power Save Mode: Off

Orbiter: Mode 2 (Dot-by-dot) mode 1 (All other stretch modes)

I registered slightly above 0.002fL. This MLL had better go down. Otherwise it's 6020FD time.

Nope

Don't know. Just reporting what I see. Hopefully it will match the 6020FD after break-in. The 6020 damn near looks completely off when idling. 111FD has a reddish/purple glow.

I can confirm that the color filter is different on the Elites compared to the non-Elites. Very visible difference.

No. I'm using a thumb drive with the color jpegs (111FD is set to Sports A/V mode in the HMG). You can use the 110FD break-in settings if you are using the DVD.

Hopefully we will have some good news in the coming days as far as prices go
http://gizmodo.com/5025045/wait-to-b...t-even-cheaper

Pioneer rarely follows the pack, they made that clear multiple times.

That`s true but with the economic conditions that are seen globally, it might be possible

Yes, Hopefully the MLL will decrease after break-in. But whats strange is that you got a reading of 0.0014 on the 6020 before break-in correct?

So I take it you are liking the colors of the elite more huh?

Maybe MLL will decrease after break-in or maybe you have a defective set??
You would think since the specs state they have the same MLL, then thats the way it would be. lets hope so.

If not then my head in going to Spin!! lol

I wonder what the readings/measurements were for D-Nice's calibrations. For some odd reason, it looks pretty green to me. Maybe I need to get used to it a bit more. I'm surprised to see a gamma setting of 1, too!

Interesting!

I am almost certain the MLL will go down after some hours of the break-in.

That definitely doesnt sound like anything Ive seen on my 111 even before break in. Gotta wonder if somethings up with that panel. I guess time will tell.
BTW Thanks D for taking the time to get us some initial settings.

Holy crap....I came home expecting to really get down to business on playing with the settings to fix this gray washed out issue and when I turn it on with planet earth...I was blown away. I can see that I've entered another world coming from lcds and that it was indeed the daylight that caused the extreme washed out effect I mentioned earlier. Thanks Ken Ross and dssturbo....you guys were right....this thing is in a league of its own when it comes to blacks....and seeing you guys mentioning the blacks will improve as the tv breaks in seems unreal to me. The TV looks great in pure mode standard setting....only thing I've changed is to make sure screen is always in full mode and turned down the contrast to 30 per Jeff Meier's instructions. I am having him come out to calibrate this along with my home theatre this september....can't believe this set is going to look better than it does....it looks absolutely phenomenal as is. Big thanks to John Marty @ Axiss Audio for the smooth transaction and getting the TV here in one piece....the wait was worth it. Now I have to debate if I should scrutinize the set that carefully like some of you to look for 1 dead pixel or blotched screen etc...I can tell you looking @ the set from 5 feet away I do not see any dead pixels, I do not see any uniformity/blotching problems (I'm expecting this to look somewhat like clouding on lcds that I am familiar with), and I can only hear a slight buzz from the tv if I get around 2-3 feet of the tv. This one seems like a keeper. Thanks for everyone's contribution to this forum to help me make this great decision.

My 151 was delivered this afternoon. I watched 2 BluRay's thru my ps3. It was a great picture but I couldn't seem to get a full screen on them. I also have Direct TV. It's set for pillar box format. I can't seem to get a full screen on the non hd channels. I would appreciate any help with my settings so I can get a full screen and avoid those black bars. It's probably in the manual but I thought this might give me a better answer.

If you have Discovery Channel in HD you can watch that with a full screen. You can also watch any movie with an aspect ratio of 1.85:1 if you use Full Mode.

You need to stop watching with black bars until you have at least 150 hours on your set. There is more you need to know, but I can't cover it all tonight. If you do the two things I've suggested, it will be good for your new TV.

Depending on your setup, the size button on the remote may fill your screen for some sources, but that depends on several other factors. Each time you press it, after the first press, the image on the screen will change it's size.

In addition to avoiding black bars for a while, you also should avoid any channels with fixed images on the screen. The high contrast logo on the History Channel is a prime example. CNN's scrolling tape at the bottom of the screen is another one.

These settings look Great:





Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 35
Brightness: +2
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -5


Pro Adjust

Pure Cinema

Film Mode: Advance
Text Optimization: Off

Intelligence: Off


Picture Detail:

DRE Picture: Off
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer Mode: 2
Gamma: 2


Color Detail:

Color Temp: Manual
R High 0
G High +5
B High +5
R Low 0
G Low 0
B Low 0

CTI: Off

Color Management
R 0
Y 0
G 0
C 0
B 0
M 0

Color Space: 2


Noise Reduction:

3DNR: Off
Field NR: Off
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off

Power Save Mode: Off



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I am awaiting D-Nice's Settings after his Break-In !!!!!!!
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Thank You everyone for the input.........
I Love My 151......
No problems so far and I am very picky and wacky about any flaws....

Go to Setup in the menu, and under the Option section, setting Auto-Size to Wide-Zoom will automatically stretch 4:3 material. I find it to be a rather annoying progressive stretch, so I prefer to do the stretching in my sources.

yeah, that's why I'm restricting to full screen BD's during breakin....only real full material of 1.78:1 aspect ratio I can find is all the concert BD's I have (like the Celion Dion I'm running). I'm not going to use the break in disk *gasp* like many users here since I don't see anything wrong with the tv and will just break it in watchin full screen material for the first 150 hrs approx.

I don't like the look of distorted content either, but if you can put up with it for a little while, stretching everything will at least expand your viewing options. (No pun intended ) I looked through my movies and found a couple that played at 16x9. So, most of the time when anybody walked through the room, Rescue Dawn or Starship Troopers was playing! It's cool if you don't want to use the break-in disc, but it is kind of a nice way to get some of those early hours out of the way without worry while you're not around.

I forgot the aspect ratio of starship troopers (have to dig it up, got the uk import)....but I know rescue dawn is 1.85:1 so it's not completely full screen, it's a tad trimmed....just in case you didn't know....so you should set the tv on full screen to make sure it fills the screen and stretches the image a bit.

Does anybody know if there are any discrete IR codes for the Elites' AV Selection modes? All I can find is the toggle, but I'd like to program direct commands into my universal remote. (For clarity, if I made that too confusing, I want to directly select, say Pure or Optimum, rather than cycle through all of them each time I want to change.) I know these exist as serial commands, but I can't find as much IR info. Discrete screen size commands would be ideal as well, so if anybody is aware of those, please let me know. TIA!

Well,
I got a friend I work with to come over after work tonight and help me put the stand on the 151.
After putting the stand on we sat the Tv over by the wall in my floor and plugged in the power cord and pressed the power button. The TV powered up perfectly.
So I went into the setting to enter the Break-in settings and immediatly I started getting excited about all the settings I have now.
So I put break-in disk in my Toshiba HD-DVD player, and let the break-in DVD play on the 151.
I was laying in the floor about 4 feet in front of the 151 when the Break-in disk started playing. the first screen it shows is the full White screen (which makes my 6020 buzz the most), and I did not hear any buzz whatsoever unless I stuck my head 1 inch in front of the screen when the room is totally silent, and even then I could barely make it out. But the TV was in the floor and I was laying in the floor to see if I could hear anything

I have not put the TV on my entertainment center and sat in front of it at eye level yet and normal viewing distance, so I am not going to say that the set doesn't buzz yet.
But it looks promising.
I am going to wait until the break-in disk has ran for at least 24 hours straight before I even think about watching any programming on it.

I probably shouldn't have but I looked the panel over for dead/stuck pixels and there is not one.

So, so far this 151 is looking to be perfect .
NO noticable buzz so far, and she is pixel Perfect!
I am very glad that I decided to buy from Robert@**************** again! Thanks Robert!!

-Chad

That's very interesting. I know you will let us know your results when the break-in period is over.

This might be why I don't notice the "dirty screen" effect as much as I did when the set was new. After a while, the "brighter" parts of the screen tend to not be as "hot" as the rest of the screen, so that helps give the "smoothed" out look effect.

asystole13,
Would it be possible for you to put these setting on the first page of this thread? I know the settings will probably change once D-nice's 111 gets broken in but maybe you can update them then?

Also,
D-Nice,
Would it be possible to get the exact settings to break-in 111/151? I think I saw a post earlier where you wrote that you are using the USB slideshow to do the break-in and said to use the 110 break-in settings if using the DVD. You had said to use I have my break-in settings as close to the 110 as possible but there are still some missing settings there.
I saw that you said you are sing the Sport A/V mode when using the USB jpegs to break-in.
Does that mean that you are using the factory defaults for that A/V mode or have you tweaked them any?
ALso, What do you recommend to set these paramaters to when using the jpegs:
Effect:
Monochrome:
Interval:
Random:
Play mode:
BGM:

I think it would be cool if we can get the first page of this sticky thread just like the non-elite thread is (by having the exact break-in settings and reference settings for quick access) if that is cool with asystole13.

Thanks you guys!

Correct me if I'm wrong, the 6020 is a 60" display and the 111FD is a 50" display? Usually bigger displays have been known to not be as bright. This might be partly why. Still, I have a feeling the MLL will go down after some time.

Go to Discovery HD and put on "Wide 1" mode.

So there are starter settings and break-in settings? But you start with break-in first? And settings are different depending on use of a break-in DVD or a break-in Thumb Drive or USB slideshow? I'm confused.

No need to be confused.

If your breaking in the set with the break-in DVD, use that break-in setting (ONLY with the break-in DVD)\\

If your breaking in the set with the break-in Thumb Drive or USB slideshow, use that break-in setting (ONLY with the break-in USB/Thumb Drive slideshow)

Starter settings are good if the set is brand new and you want to watch some full frame TV.

Once the set is broken in, then you use the "reference settings" to watch TV.

Most important thing, never use "break-in" settings for watching regular TV, HDTV, DVD, Blu-ray or anything else.