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post #18991 of 28686
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Originally Posted by newriver99 View Post

What programmable remote do you like? I am open to all suggestions. The easier the better.

I have the Harmony 670 and couldn't be happier. Not a fan of rechargeable devices.
post #18992 of 28686
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Originally Posted by newriver99 View Post

What programmable remote do you like? I am open to all suggestions. The easier the better.

Hmmm....."easy" can mean different things to different people. I use Nevo Q50s in both my setups. They are very powerful, allow both IR and serial control (with added equipment), and the programming software is intuitive and easy. But no question, a system like this involves more upfront cost and setup, and has a steeper learning curve than, say, the Harmony remotes. But it's incredibly flexibile and once set up, incredibly easy to use.


Let me be clear that I think Harmony is a great system. It has a huge online code database, setup is a "wizard" format that walks you through and makes things really easy, and it's very activity-based. This means it's geared toward having buttons for specific activities, like "Watch TV" or "Watch Blu-Ray," and it creates the macros to set everything up for that. With a little tweaking, that usually works just fine.

But I like to have more control.....basically I want quick access to all the functions of the manufacturers' remotes, and I prefer the more extensive codesets and stability of serial control. (Currently, five of my HT components are serially controlled.) I just like to customize my remotes to a level that the Harmonys can't accommodate, but I know that's not everybody's preference.
post #18993 of 28686
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Hmmm....."easy" can mean different things to different people. I use Nevo Q50s in both my setups. They are very powerful, allow both IR and serial control (with added equipment), and the programming software is intuitive and easy. But no question, a system like this involves more upfront cost and setup, and has a steeper learning curve than, say, the Harmony remotes. But it's incredibly flexibile and once set up, incredibly easy to use.

But I like to have more control.....basically I want quick access to all the functions of the manufacturers' remotes, and I prefer the more extensive codesets and stability of serial control. (Currently, five of my HT components are serially controlled.) I just like to customize my remotes to a level that the Harmonys can't accommodate, but I know that's not everybody's preference.

Prog,prog,
I like the approach you've described. I did a quick search and see there is an S70 that Nevo makes as well. What is the difference between that and the Q50? I have about 12 devices to control, and I don't have room for a bigger table to hold all the remotes... So this may be exactly what I need! Also, serial control would be a new venture for me, but not an issue, as opposed to code-set input. Thanks for the info...
post #18994 of 28686
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Hmmm....."easy" can mean different things to different people. I use Nevo Q50s in both my setups. They are very powerful, allow both IR and serial control (with added equipment), and the programming software is intuitive and easy. But no question, a system like this involves more upfront cost and setup, and has a steeper learning curve than, say, the Harmony remotes. But it's incredibly flexibile and once set up, incredibly easy to use.


Let me be clear that I think Harmony is a great system. It has a huge online code database, setup is a "wizard" format that walks you through and makes things really easy, and it's very activity-based. This means it's geared toward having buttons for specific activities, like "Watch TV" or "Watch Blu-Ray," and it creates the macros to set everything up for that. With a little tweaking, that usually works just fine.

But I like to have more control.....basically I want quick access to all the functions of the manufacturers' remotes, and I prefer the more extensive codesets and stability of serial control. (Currently, five of my HT components are serially controlled.) I just like to customize my remotes to a level that the Harmonys can't accommodate, but I know that's not everybody's preference.

I was thinking of that system.. debating the costs.. seems like one of 'The' systems.
post #18995 of 28686
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Originally Posted by hd_axel View Post

Prog,prog,
I like the approach you've described. I did a quick search and see there is an S70 that Nevo makes as well. What is the difference between that and the Q50? I have about 12 devices to control, and I don't have room for a bigger table to hold all the remotes... So this may be exactly what I need! Also, serial control would be a new venture for me, but not an issue, as opposed to code-set input. Thanks for the info...

The S70 has two important differences:

1) While still a one-handed remote, it's much more touchscreen-oriented than the Q50, and I just prefer the balance between touchscreen and hard buttons on the Q50. I really don't like using touchscreen buttons for transport control, i.e., PLAY, PUASE, FF, etc.
2) The S70 also has wi-fi capabilities, which can be used with IP-based components. I guess some people use it for things like music servers, though you can literally put little weather- and traffic- widgets and crap like that on there. Wasn't something I needed. (And the S70 retails at $1199, I think.....)

I think most higher-end remote systems can do what you want, in terms of consolidating all those manufacturers' remotes and providing programming flexibility. As I mentioned yesterday, Pronto, RTi, and URC all make very popular options. Personally, I think "the remote' is a really important HT component, since it's the one that you constantly interact with. So I think it's very important to evaluate your needs and preferences, and get one that best suits you. You'll enjoy using it a lot more. Here's a post a made several months ago giving my take on this selection process.
post #18996 of 28686
Thanks progprog,
Looks like Q50 is the ticket for me, single handed and definitely device based. Now, I need to evaluate cost factor and get one...
post #18997 of 28686
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Originally Posted by mike2060 View Post

Congrats. But I'm wondering how someone can watch B&W movies on their Kuro? The plainbows would drive me crazy!!!

I didn't even know what a "plainbow" was until i googled it and saw a youtube video. I've never experienced this on my set thank god. If I ever saw anything like I'd want to return it. Chad muted all of the color on the 5400k ISF input and the result is incredible. So far I've watched the Seventh Seal and the 400 Blows on the 5400k mode and like the look of it over watching in regular color temp (6400k?).
post #18998 of 28686
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Originally Posted by sofronitsky View Post

I didn't even know what a "plainbow" was until i googled it and saw a youtube video. I've never experienced this on my set thank god. If I ever saw anything like I'd want to return it. Chad muted all of the color on the 5400k ISF input and the result is incredible. So far I've watched the Seventh Seal and the 400 Blows on the 5400k mode and like the look of it over watching in regular color temp (6400k?).

That sounds pretty cool. I have those movies too, but haven't watched them yet on my Kuro. Could you elaborate a little more on those settings? What exactly do you mean by muting all of the color?
post #18999 of 28686
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Originally Posted by tvshopper View Post

I have a Harmony 880 and it works great. Everyone in the house is able to control the TV and other components with ease. You can set it up as Activity based and Component based and switch between the two. Great remote for not a lot of $$$.

I like having all 16 remotes for mass confusion in my setup and locating them is also quite fun and challenging.
post #19000 of 28686
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

So I think it's very important to evaluate your needs and preferences, and get one that best suits you.

Does one normally get the software to program these or are they custom installed only?
post #19001 of 28686
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

That sounds pretty cool. I have those movies too, but haven't watched them yet on my Kuro. Could you elaborate a little more on those settings? What exactly do you mean by muting all of the color?

He brought the values to zero.

http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&pid...lication%2Fpdf
post #19002 of 28686
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Originally Posted by Quinten15 View Post

Speaking of Hawaii, does anyone know a reputable Pioneer elite Kuro calibrator that offers their services in Hawaii? Me and my 111fd would greatly appreciate it!!

I've only heard about this guy in one of the calibration forums: http://www.wdshawaii.com/servicemainpage.htm

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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

ISF Calibrators, where are you located?

Ahh, that was it.
post #19003 of 28686
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Does one normally get the software to program these or are they custom installed only?

They are meant to be custom-installer products, but the software comes in the box with the remote.
post #19004 of 28686
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Originally Posted by sofronitsky View Post

He brought the values to zero.

http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&pid...lication%2Fpdf

Thanks, but that link doesn't seem to work.
post #19005 of 28686
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Originally Posted by mjrgamer View Post

I like having all 16 remotes for mass confusion in my setup and locating them is also quite fun and challenging.

Especially after a few cocktails.
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Originally Posted by hd_axel View Post

Especially after a few cocktails.

Apple Juice will do me in.
post #19007 of 28686
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Originally Posted by tp1393 View Post

Hey there. I've been lurking for quite a while but this is my first post. Based on the information I've learned here, I purchased a Pioneer Pro-151FD and it was delivered this past Friday. I watched it for a couple of hours and was incredibly impressed. So impressed, in fact, that I decided that I wanted to do what I could to ensure the best possible picture, so I immediately downloaded the break-in DVD and have been running that ever since.

I noticed one thing however. On a few screens (most notably on the shades of red before the pure red), there is a 3-inch column in the screen that is a fainter shade of red compared to the rest of the screen. I didn't watch the TV very much before I started the break-in process, so I can't say as to whether I would notice it in real-world performance, and the lighter column is not drastically lighter, but when the entire screen is supposed to be a consistent color, the column of the fainter shade is noticeable.

I'm still pretty early in the break-in process, so is it possible that the break-in process will fix this? Should I exchange the TV for a different 151? I'm new to the high-end TV market so I'm not sure what I should expect, but given the significant price premium that Pioneer asks for their higher quality sets, does this issue warrant an exchange for a unit with a better consistency throughout the screen? Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

I would wait until the break in is done and then run the one hour routine that pioneer has set up (test pattern) in the options menu. look at the white bar as it travels and see if there is any real problem.

The break in settings are not for real world use so I would then check a normal dvd tv channel with D-nices settings (or what Pioneer has put in the pure mode and see if there are any real problems that you can see.

Be sure that your settings are correct for your source -full screen versus dot by dot etc when you make your critical assessments.


Hopefully you can do this while you still are under the return time for the set.

By the way all of my screen variations went away after about 500 hours of viewing.



Joel
post #19008 of 28686
I had Gregg calibrate my 151 last night and I was very impressed with his professionalism and explanation of all the procedures he conducted. The results are fantastic. He calibrated Pure mode and added/calibrated ISF day and ISF night. He was able to double my contrast and walked me through each setting he made with a clear and thorough explanation of everything he did. Highly recommended for those looking to improve an already excellent Pioneer display. Thanks Gregg!
post #19009 of 28686
Looks like Gregg is getting close to me! I'm in Halifax.
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

I watch tons of black and white classic movies and have yet to see any plainbows on my 151.

me either
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Originally Posted by bluemark81 View Post

I had Gregg (Loewen) calibrate my 151 last night and I was very impressed with his professionalism and explanation of all the procedures he conducted.

Thanks for your calibration report. I've included it in the flat panel (Post#2) list that is linked at the bottom of my post.
post #19012 of 28686
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Originally Posted by bluemark81 View Post

I had Gregg calibrate my 151 last night and I was very impressed with his professionalism and explanation of all the procedures he conducted. The results are fantastic. He calibrated Pure mode and added/calibrated ISF day and ISF night. He was able to double my contrast and walked me through each setting he made with a clear and thorough explanation of everything he did. Highly recommended for those looking to improve an already excellent Pioneer display. Thanks Gregg!

Thanks for your Report
post #19013 of 28686
I see plainbows like crazy. Even watching Religulous tonight on my HD movie channel. Don't think it's my TV, I think it's my eyes.
post #19014 of 28686
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Originally Posted by mike2060 View Post

I see plainbows like crazy. Even watching Religulous tonight on my HD movie channel. Don't think it's my TV, I think it's my eyes.

What are plainbows?
post #19015 of 28686
Id rather see plainbows then complexbows.
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Originally Posted by James W. Johnson View Post

Id rather see plainbows then complexbows.

Me too, I guess! Maybe this is a plainbow......

post #19017 of 28686
You sure it wasn't a plain Bow Wow Wow ?

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"She was more like a beauty queen from a movie scene
I said dont mind, but what do you mean I am the one
Who will dance on the floor in the round"


I got some MJ bumpin LOUD, my neighbors must be pissed.

Michael Jackson , Rest In Peace.
post #19019 of 28686
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

What are plainbows?

It seems plainbows is a UK neologism for what I've seen called purple snakes and green trails.

I.e. various silly terms for low incidence visual artifacts related to motion on a plasma.

PLasma rAINBOWS == plainbows.
post #19020 of 28686
He is talking about phosphor trails.
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