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post #2041 of 28692
7/17/08 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by FocusedOne View Post

I was disappointed to hear about the lack of SR+ in the 151. It is also baffling to me that the OSD volume display over HDMI Control is not the same dB reading as the AV Receiver (I think this person was using a 92txh)... wtf? I have yet to try this out myself and I've only seen one person report the inconsistent dB reading (who I believe), but it doesn't sound good. Not a big deal, just weird. I mean, you'd assume that Pioneer would want to make components that are only a year apart compatible with one another.

You must have missed my post then . My 151 DOES not show decibel readings, just some number (whatever that may be) over HDMI-CEC (and of course no SR+ just SR). VSX-94TXH for my setup. (possilby upgrading to and SC-05 or 07 and getting a BDP-05 becuase I want the Kuro "link" or whatever it is). I think it applies to all of them. NO DECIBEL READINGS!
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post #2042 of 28692
7/17/08 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by El Bandito View Post

So I exchanged my 111 at Best Buy yesterday (not difficult, but it took awhile for them to bring a new one out . . . not sure what took so long), and so far, the new 111 looks GREAT! I'm not running the break-in disc this time, instead running full screen content (like zoomed Pixar movies).

Also, FocusedOne, the stuck pixel on my last set DID materialize about a day or two after starting the break-in images. I was scanning the screen like a hawk and delighted to find none initially. When one appeared, it stuck out like a sore thumb (especially on the red and green slides).

That in no way indicates th disc as the reason though.
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post #2043 of 28692
7/17/08 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by El Bandito View Post

I like using the optimum mode a lot, and it relies on the color sensor. It's a bit punchy, but overall, it's a nice looking picture (for television viewing, at least . . . I like Aetherhole's settings for Blu-ray discs).

I know they claimed that they improved the 'optimum' setting, but unless they total;y revamped it it will result in a nowhere close to accurate image.
Way oversaturated, color heavily leaning toward blue, EE, etc.
Could you list what the presets are for optimum on the 9g?(might be all greyed out except contrast)
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post #2044 of 28692
7/17/08 at 10:18am
Is there a way to safely check the # of hours the 151 has been on? I know it was possible on the 150, but I don't remember if the same is true with the 151.
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post #2045 of 28692
7/17/08 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

That in no way indicates th disc as the reason though.

I agree. I speculated earlier that the disc MAY have caused it because it wasn't "working out" the pixels, instead having them show a single color for 30 seconds at a time, and that running full screen material might be better. I have no basis for this whatsoever, but I have noticed a few people (myself included) where the stuck pixel showed up only after running the break-in disc. To each his own.

At the very least, the fact that I won't be showing static colors will make it more difficult to spot any stuck pixels if they are there!
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post #2046 of 28692
7/17/08 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by darita View Post

Is there a way to safely check the # of hours the 151 has been on? I know it was possible on the 150, but I don't remember if the same is true with the 151.

There is no easy way without a "device" to access the SM.
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post #2047 of 28692
7/17/08 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by chadmak09 View Post

Quick update:
Don't get me wrong, blacks were frigin amazing, but a tad blacker on my 6020 from what my eyes could tell.

Again, a bit concerning and something we never heard with the 8g (Elite vs non-Elite black level differences). I'd love for someone that had a 150 and now a 151 to comment. Is there really any significant difference in black levels?

Your comment on one movie having black bars that 'just' began fading into the 151's bezel is a concern. I've seen many many movies on my 150 that do just that, the black bars do fade into the bezel.
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post #2048 of 28692
7/17/08 at 11:26am
Chad, would you at least say the 9th gen Elites have better blacks than the 8th gen Elite Kuros? I'm really almost starting to become upset with my purchase, and my TV hasn't even arrived yet!

I've also noticed all the black level comparisons is being done between the 60" models only. Is there just as distinct a difference in black levels between the 111 and the 5020? Can anyone speak for those?
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post #2049 of 28692
7/17/08 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Again, a bit concerning and something we never heard with the 8g (Elite vs non-Elite black level differences). I'd love for someone that had a 150 and now a 151 to comment. Is there really any significant difference in black levels?

Your comment on one movie having black bars that 'just' began fading into the 151's bezel is a concern. I've seen many movies on my 150 that do just that, the black bars do fade into the bezel.

I've seen many wide screen movies on my 151FD where the black bars are GONE and in fact the bezel is the only thing that can be seen (sometimes). I think that's because the bezel reflects light and the black bars don't.

Then again, I never had a 6020 to compair.
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post #2050 of 28692
7/17/08 at 11:44am
After getting my 111 to finally work... strangely did nothing. I have to report that I am quite impressed with the black. I have my Panny 42PX600u right beside it and it is really night versus day. With no time spent breaking in I popped in Planet Earth on BD, and I have to say that I have never seen blacker blacks.

Happy to report that I have no buzz either. When I was picking up my 111 I took a look at the 151, and I was scared because the buzz was quite loud.

To hear the buzz on my unit you really have to put your head behind the unit itself.

No botching or IR yet.

So in closing, I am really impressed with the 111. And if it really starts to shine after the break in period, wow...
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post #2051 of 28692
7/17/08 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by cuzzin View Post

Chad, would you at least say the 9th gen Elites have better blacks than the 8th gen Elite Kuros? I'm really almost starting to become upset with my purchase, and my TV hasn't even arrived yet!
I've also noticed all the black level comparisons is being done between the 60" models only. Is there just as distinct a difference in black levels between the 111 and the 5020? Can anyone speak for those?

Depending on the deal that you have gotten I would not stress over your decision. These are both great models and there are not going to be "Hudge" differences in over all PQ.
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post #2052 of 28692
7/17/08 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Again, a bit concerning and something we never heard with the 8g (Elite vs non-Elite black level differences). I'd love for someone that had a 150 and now a 151 to comment. Is there really any significant difference in black levels?

Your comment on one movie having black bars that 'just' began fading into the 151's bezel is a concern. I've seen many many movies on my 150 that do just that, the black bars do fade into the bezel.

When I woke up this morning and watch the blu-ray "shutter", the black levels seemed to be on the same level as the 6020. Meaning it was hard to differentiate where the black bars end and the bezel begins. The black bars looked about the same as when the TV is off. It was really that dark. And my o my the colors. I love having so many settings to choose from.
I think what I was seeing last night was actually the content. The first movie I watched was "coming to america" on 1080i cable. In that movi the blacks aren't that great anyway. That on top of D-nices statement about the 0.002 MLL reading he got, I think had me jumping the gun a little. That would explain why everything started looking so much better when I put the blu-ray in.
When I get home tonight I am going to put in the DVE disk and calibrate per the test patterns.
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I don't know if you guys remember the pictures I put up on the non-elite thread that showed the screen all black in a dark room bfore the 30-second pixel shut-off. I am goin o take some pictures of the same situation on this 151 to see if there are any noticable differences. I know pictures are not an ideal way to get an accurate compariison, but at least it will give a good indication. I will post some of those same type pictures tomorrow.
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post #2053 of 28692
7/17/08 at 12:22pm
My 111FD arrived today. Was able to run home quick from work to accept the delivery. Tipped the driver to help me place on a temporary stand and turn on. All I had to do was plug in the cord, and the Auto Instllation screen came up. Didn't have to monkey with the standby or main power switches. Screen looks good so far. Haven't seen anything past this, yet, as I have to get back to work. I have a June mfr date with a serial number in the mid 2000s. Thanks so much to John Marty at Axxis Audio Durango.


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post #2054 of 28692
7/17/08 at 12:26pm
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Originally Posted by Mycroft1888 View Post

Chad, if you're using the built-in speakers, the first speaker of your new (future) surround system should be the sub-woofer. Connect that bad boy to the sub-out port of the 151 and you'll notice a world of difference! If you can't have surround yet, at least get some bass in there.

I have an awesome surround system, but we frequently don't fire it up for ordinary stereo TV shows because the audio doesn't go through the center channel. So I connected the sub-out to the second input connection on my sub. Very nice!

Interesting. I haven't even looked back there at that. Is this sub-out an RCA connector? So you leave your sub running all the time for just regular TV viewing? Also, I assume it's a powered sub?
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post #2055 of 28692
7/17/08 at 12:28pm
2nd that with John Marty @ Axxis.....I will have to find time to call him up and thank him for a job well done. Lookin good on 111!
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post #2056 of 28692
7/17/08 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Interesting. I haven't even looked back there at that. Is this sub-out an RCA connector? So you leave your sub running all the time for just regular TV viewing? Also, I assume it's a powered sub?

I want to know more about this as well. Not ready to buy a receiver, but thinking about buying a sub to plug into my 111. Will any subwoofer work?
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post #2057 of 28692
7/17/08 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by cuzzin View Post

I'm really almost starting to become upset with my purchase, and my TV hasn't even arrived yet!


Cuzzin, I think you are jumping the gun. There is a ton of information here that could make even the coolest of heads weary/anxious during their wait for a new set. Half the stuff you see here you probably would never have noticed if you hadn't read it. You are also reading about every little issue under a microscope.

Personally, I don't see how Pioneer could give the non-Elites an MLL that is inherently lower than an Elite. Maybe it is possible in a case-by-case basis when comparing a certain Elite to a certain non-Elite, but there is no way that the non-Elites are blacker across the board. The 9Gs are also clearly superior to their 8G predecessors as evidenced by DNice's review and preference for a 6020 over an 8G Elite. Rest assured that you are getting the finest TV currently made. When you pop in your first blu ray, you will be blown away.
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post #2058 of 28692
7/17/08 at 12:56pm
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Originally Posted by chadmak09 View Post

When I woke up this morning and watch the blu-ray "shutter", the black levels seemed to be on the same level as the 6020. Meaning it was hard to differentiate where the black bars end and the bezel begins. The black bars looked about the same as when the TV is off. It was really that dark. And my o my the colors. I love having so many settings to choose from.
I think what I was seeing last night was actually the content. The first movie I watched was "coming to america" on 1080i cable. In that movi the blacks aren't that great anyway. That on top of D-nices statement about the 0.002 MLL reading he got, I think had me jumping the gun a little. That would explain why everything started looking so much better when I put the blu-ray in.
When I get home tonight I am going to put in the DVE disk and calibrate per the test patterns.
Also,
I don't know if you guys remember the pictures I put up on the non-elite thread that showed the screen all black in a dark room bfore the 30-second pixel shut-off. I am goin o take some pictures of the same situation on this 151 to see if there are any noticable differences. I know pictures are not an ideal way to get an accurate compariison, but at least it will give a good indication. I will post some of those same type pictures tomorrow.

Chad

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post #2059 of 28692
7/17/08 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by chadmak09 View Post

I don't know if you guys remember the pictures I put up on the non-elite thread that showed the screen all black in a dark room bfore the 30-second pixel shut-off. I am goin o take some pictures of the same situation on this 151 to see if there are any noticable differences. I know pictures are not an ideal way to get an accurate compariison, but at least it will give a good indication. I will post some of those same type pictures tomorrow.

I remember those pictures... quite well. When people at my house were complaining that I ordered (as a replacement) a new 151, I showed them your pictures. Then I showed them my 151 and they saw the light (as in they saw the weak blacks of my defective 151). Then they agreed with me... Are you saying that is ACTUALLY how the blacks were on your 6020. I just thought they were either underexposed or had a low ISO on them. If they are actually what the blacks looked like, I am AMAZED!!! Can't wait for my replacement.
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post #2060 of 28692
7/17/08 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Interesting. I haven't even looked back there at that. Is this sub-out an RCA connector? So you leave your sub running all the time for just regular TV viewing? Also, I assume it's a powered sub?

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Originally Posted by El Bandito View Post

I want to know more about this as well. Not ready to buy a receiver, but thinking about buying a sub to plug into my 111. Will any subwoofer work?

Yes, there's a single RCA jack on the back of the Kuro for connecting directly to a powered sub-woofer without requiring a receiver. Pretty much any powered subwoofer will work. The choice you make depends on your budget, future surround plans, and the amount of bass that makes you happy.

The sub that I bought some time ago is a Klipsch KSW-12 with a 12" cone. It has an automatic setting that turns the sub on whenever a signal is received over the input. It's a plug it in and forget it type of thing.

I have both my receiver and the Kuro connected to the sub, so I can use it either way.
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post #2061 of 28692
7/17/08 at 1:42pm
Coltfreak, I thought the TV was washed out at first but after I waited till night and turned off the lights.....with the ps3 black background in the xmb.....it wasn't exactly blending into the bezel but it sure was damn close....after you first shut down the source with no signal, it looks real dark still with some blotchiness (I Guess this is the dirty screen effect people worry about) but I'm chalking this up to the nature of phosphorus aging....then after another 20 seconds or so it turns into full black/off looking mode. Not sure how your set looks but seemed to work out for me. These plasmas are just not meant to be viewed with much ambiet light @ all.
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post #2062 of 28692
7/17/08 at 1:42pm
Wow, placed an order with World Premiere in Mechanicsburg, PA on Tuesday and it's already ready for pick-up (wasn't in stock when I ordered). Amazing, can't wait to get it!
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post #2063 of 28692
7/17/08 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by sensui View Post

....then after another 20 seconds or so it turns into full black/off looking mode.

The non elite models will turn off the pixels (no idle lumanence) after 30 seconds without a signal applied. That's not really black level.
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post #2064 of 28692
7/17/08 at 1:47pm
Update:

It seems that the blotches on my 151 have almost completely disipated. I stopped using the break in disc about 2 days ago, and just watching TV/BD, and running the video pattern every night before I go to bed. I will take some pictures later on tonight with no signal, and overexposed, to see just how far along the blotches have come.

Now if I can only figure out why it flickers with the PS feature.
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post #2065 of 28692
7/17/08 at 2:29pm
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Originally Posted by Geordon View Post

My 111FD arrived today. Was able to run home quick from work to accept the delivery. Tipped the driver to help me place on a temporary stand and turn on. All I had to do was plug in the cord, and the Auto Instllation screen came up. Didn't have to monkey with the standby or main power switches. Screen looks good so far. Haven't seen anything past this, yet, as I have to get back to work. I have a June mfr date with a serial number in the mid 2000s. Thanks so much to John Marty at Axxis Audio Durango.

congrats on the new Pro111.

more pics when you get a chance.
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post #2066 of 28692
7/17/08 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by Mycroft1888 View Post

Yes, there's a single RCA jack on the back of the Kuro for connecting directly to a powered sub-woofer without requiring a receiver. Pretty much any powered subwoofer will work. The choice you make depends on your budget, future surround plans, and the amount of bass that makes you happy.

The sub that I bought some time ago is a Klipsch KSW-12 with a 12" cone. It has an automatic setting that turns the sub on whenever a signal is received over the input. It's a plug it in and forget it type of thing.

I have both my receiver and the Kuro connected to the sub, so I can use it either way.

How do you keep it from getting two separate signals simultaneously (from the Kuro connection and from the receiver, when it's on)?
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post #2067 of 28692
7/17/08 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post

Are you saying that is ACTUALLY how the blacks were on your 6020. I just thought they were either underexposed or had a low ISO on them. If they are actually what the blacks looked like, I am AMAZED!!! Can't wait for my replacement.

Its is like D-nice put it, the black on the 6020 were almost like the tv was turned off. In a dark room you can hardly make out where the screen is.

found them,
Here are those pics.




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post #2068 of 28692
7/17/08 at 3:09pm
Here is a night time city shot on the 151 from Fantasic Four

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post #2069 of 28692
7/17/08 at 3:11pm
Can someone post a link to where I might find different peoples calibration settings for the Pioneer Elite 151?

There is just so many posts on this forum about these TV's that if you missed it or come late to the party you could spend all night searching.

Thanks to anyone who helps...
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post #2070 of 28692
7/17/08 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by CollinViegas View Post

Can someone post a link to where I might find different peoples calibration settings for the Pioneer Elite 151?

There is just so many posts on this forum about these TV's that if you missed it or come late to the party you could spend all night searching.

Thanks to anyone who helps...

I don't think there's a short-cut, unless maybe you do a search with a word from the settings that's not used much otherwise.
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