The Official Pioneer 9G Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 699

Thanks! Yes, they are; Rocket 805's, and Strata Mini's in Piano Rosewood and x4 SVS Subwoofers.

I like the laser pen idea for speaker positioning , I'm going to give that a try soon!

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When D-Nice calibrated my 151 he disconnected the color sensor.

Without reading all posts in this thread, can anybody tell me how one accesses the ISF C3 modes?

Purchase ControlCal from Turbe

The User's Guide will help get you started.

What is the latest firmware for the Kuro elite 151.? Does it affect anything other the playing back network/usb files and off the air stations?

joel

With tongue planted in cheek (because it's an HT in technical terms only), I present the new "seating" for my "home theater." It was delivered Saturday. It's positioned so that the middle cushion will be facing the center of my 111's screen. It doesn't compare well with some of what I see here and elsewhere, but it's comfortable, and the extra 5" of seating room means three people can fit a bit better for when I get around to having more company. When I finally clean up my living room perhaps I'll post over on the "What's Your System Configuration" threads.

By the way, I'm rediscovering PURE mode while I wait for my EDGE to be repaired and returned. It's very similar to ISF Night, though not as sharp. It may have been done before, but has anyone compared a calibrated PURE against ISF Night? I'm thinking of having Pure calibrated, along with perhaps ISF-ing the other 3 HDMI inputs the next calibration.

I did both at 28 ftl. I thought that the isf night was superior-a bit more "punch".

joel

Can monoprice stands be used with the 50" Kuros?

I will vouch for Turbe and ControlCal.
I used it last night, did a quick set up of ISF Day and Night modes.
Absolutely gorgeous picture from my 141FD.
Get it- You won't regret it.
Bill

Hey Prepress, we all have constraints. Thats the wonderful thing about our "hobby" (obsession), its ALWAYS a work in progress!
I was wondering about Pure mode as well. What are the default settings of Pure mode? ( I bought a floor model)
Bill

Hi, prepress: I can really relate to your post because my wife is pushing to get a couch to put in the home theater (currently, we have a couple of club chairs). She wanted the ability to seat at least 6 people.

Two rows of home theater seats was a posibility, but a riser is a no go, so that kills that idea (all of the HT seats I've seen have backs too tall to see over and we don't have room for one long row). Worst case scenario--I might end up with TWO couches in front of my Kuro , unless someone here can suggest something that would work. If you have any ideas, please PM me. Thanks! (I apologize for this off topic post, but the furniture forum was no help).

what should be minimum seating distance for 60 inch kuro

I'm 8' from my 600M. While I don't think I'd want to be a lot closer, I could probably handle being 6.5' away.

And a lot more detail. I was watching the Weather Channel last night (again) and noted that there were no details in either meteorologist's clothing, a darkish-blue blouse and a black suit respectively. Given there's only the one ISF-calibrated input on the TV, I'm going to get a switcher to tide me over until the EDGE gets back.

Reason being I am moving to a smaller place. Currently i sit @ 12 feet from my lcd projection. If 8 feet is reasonable, I can get by then.
Thanks

This post might be of use to you: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...e#post16255815

Lists a bunch of calculators, standards, and info.

Good luck!

(PS: I sit between 7 and 8 feet from mine)

Qestion for the group. I had a 151 delivered last week, and discovered some pretty visibile horizontal banding on light backgrounds. Also had 1 pixel that was stuck or acting very strange. The store is willing to swap out. Do you think I should go through the trouble hassle to swap? I'm worried I'll get one that's worse (buzz). How common are pixel problems? Is the banding a common problem with the 151? It isn't DSE, although there is some of that. Thanks for your input.

Here's a viewing distance calculator based on THX guidelines. You can sit a lot closer than you'd think.

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/v...alculator.html

In the old analog TV days, the minimum viewing distance was set to prevent seeing analog decoding artifacts such as interlace line spacing, color dot crawl, etc.

Except for poorly upconverted material, in the digital HDTV age, I'd expect many of the old analog minmum distance recommendations to be no longer accurate and today, closer is acceptible.

Probably the biggest driver in mimimum distance is viewability of MPEG2 and MPEG4 artifacts, some of which can't be covered up at any viewing distance. It will depend on the bitrate and encoding of the source material and the cable box and/or TV's built in filtering capability (3D NR, Field NR, block NR, mosquito NR, etc). The latter will vary based on TV set by TV set. So I can't see anyone coming out with an absolute recommendation anymore as there are too many variables in play. Try closer and if not objectionable, then enjoy!

Hi ALL,

I'm a refugee from the Sony SXRD forum as I owned it for 4 years but luckily I bought the Best Buy EW and I had 3 repairs and needed a 4th which triggers the No-Lemon clause. They made me a good deal on an upgrade so now I own the 151!!

I am pleased with it but I do find one thing kind of disturbing. The picture is great, detailed and the black level is incredible, but I'm seeing some problems with motion. What I'm seeing someone else in a previous thread described as "flutter" but he was refering to an LCD TV! An example is if some one is waiving their arm, I'm seeing some multiple images when the arm goes from one position to another. I've tried all settings of the PureCinema (Adv, Smooth, Std, and Off) but none of them see to change this. In fact I see little or no difference at all in any of these settings!

I know my firmware needs updating and I have the flashdrive coming in on Wed from Pioneer parts. Could this affect what I'm seeing. If not is there some other setting I'm missing. Other than this "fluttering" the picture is fantastic, but this one problem is bothering me! By the way, the 151 in at BB was also doing this same thing but I would assume it also had non-updated firmware. Lastly I don't seem to see this problem on video (like sports) but only see it on filmed material, so I assume it has something to do with how it handles the frames.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

Thanks,
Gerry

hifisponge provided a link that returns eight results. Most are based on cinematic (movie theatre) recommendations (THX or SMPTE), two are based on typical (human) visual acuity.

Can you be a little more specific about the source? Knowing the native format of the signal and the settings in the source player would be helpful.

Be sure that your cable signal is coming in at a good speed. This could be your problem. Have your cable company check the speed coming into the house as well as at your TV.

I have a 111 which I purchased less than a year ago. I just got a 151. I haven't seen any banding on either one of these sets. If I listen real hard sometimes I can hear a minor buzz but not always; depends what is on the screen. This is only at no volume. I have no issues with buzzing. I have never seen pixel issues on consumer tvs in the store or with the Kuros and I am not going to look for them. My sets look fine.

I would not accept banding and would take the tv back. You may try calling Pioneer service first and see if they have any suggestions. I noticed some phosphor trails on the 111 when it was new and a Pioneer tech came out to the house. Pioneer makes very high quality tvs so I think the odds are in your favor of getting a good swap. I was afraid to get a 151 because the 111 was so good and I thought the 151 wouldn't match it but it did.

Hi progprog and Bushman4,

Thanks for getting back to me.

The primary source is a Verizon FiOS DVR via HDMI at 1080i, but this is exactly the same source that was feeding the Sony SXRD TV, and there have been no changes in any of the settings or service at the DVR. But I never noticed this kind of motion fluttering on the Sony.

I also see it on the Transformers II Blu Ray fed to the Pio via HDMI at 1080p/24 from a Panny Blu Ray. It is not as noticible on the Blu Ray, but it is also there. In fact when I was auditioning the Pio at BB (it was also a 151) I noticed this same kind of fluttering but the picture was so fantastic in every other respect I went ahead and got it as the upgrade/exchange for the Sony.

Also, I thought it was absent on video material, but I just watched This Old House (which is video taped) on the local HD PBS and while it is less, the fluttering is still there.

I'm hoping there is simple solution to this as I really really want to keep this TV as ever other aspect of the picture is simply stunning but this fluttering is really starting to get to me!! I have the update flash drive coming in from Pio on Wed which I will do immediately. I know my version number is way back from the latest version - do you think the update will help?

Lastly, what bugs me is that I know I saw the same thing at BB on their display 151, so I really don't think this is a problem with my speciic TV. I will be going back to BB to confirm what I saw, but again I hope there is a solution to this!!!!

Any more suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks again,
Gerry

Hey again. Do keep in mind that there are likely to be some motion artifacts with different kinds of signals, but you should be able to minimize it to an acceptable level for most sources. (Some are just bad, like certain TV signals.)

It's important to use the right combination of frame rate processing settings with each source.

BD player: You want to output blu-ray content at its native 1080p/24. Sounds like you're doing that. Then in the Kuro, you need to set Pure Cinema Film Mode to STANDARD or ADVANCE to make sure that you're not applying additional, unwanted processing. (As a side note, there is a small minority of people that actually prefers to telecine even this content. I suspect it's just that they are more used to it after watching everything this way for so many years. If that's your preference, you'd need to set PC Film Mode to OFF.)

FiOS Box: This is harder, because the signals vary so much. There are several configurations to try, and I would focus on getting the best picture and motion perception with the type of channels you watch most (even if that means others, like SD, don't look as good). So, try both native output and 1080i fixed from the box. And with each of those, try different PC Film Modes. Briefly, STANDARD will not apply any processing to the incoming frame rate; it'll just display all TV signals at 1080p/60. ADVANCE will actually detect film-based content, apply inverse telecone, and display it at 1080p/24 with a 72Hz refresh rate. SMOOTH applies frame interpolation processing, which most people don't like, but some certainly do. There's no right or wrong setting.....it just comes down to each person's sensitivities with different types of motion artifacts. Whatever looks best to you is the way to go.

Report back on what you find after testing some of these options. I think you should be able to get things looking better.

Does any of the Kuro expert here have it handy; I need it for programming Harmony 900 remote.
Apologize if this has been discussed before!

If the internal tuner gets activated on power-up, it's a long lag. Try 12 secs, and adjust up or down accordingly.

Hi progprog,

Thanks for getting back to me!

While I haven't spent a great deal of time (I only got the TV on Wed!) I have tried all of the different PC modes and for the life of me I can't see any difference between any of them! As far as the sources the FiOS DRV does not have a native setting but most HD channels are 1080i and that's what I have the DVR set at. For the Blu Ray it is set to 24 frames and according to an info screen from the player it is outputting 24 frames.

I guess my problem is I don't recall seeing this kind of motion problem with the Sony SXRD, but I do remember seeing this same thing on the 151 on display at BB. I definitely will be going back to BB to see the display 151 again, and also take a look at some other plasmas to see what they do.

Tomorrow I will spend some specific time to really go through the PC modes and see what they look like and if it helps this problem or not. I'll post what I find out.

Thanks again for all your help!!
Gerry