The Official Pioneer 9G Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 701

yup! i agree, with expensive set, big like this, local purchase preferred.

Oh, that's interesting about the 10g tech. Thanks for that bit, helps clear a lot up!

The no speakers/tuner are no big problem. No stand is what kills me with the 600m. Because even if I could find it cheaper then what the store is willing to sell me a 151, I have to price in a table top stand which is another 300-400 from what I've seen.

I'm leaning towards the 151. Taking a risk of having someone ship a 600m doesn't sit too well with me. I'm in Oklahoma, and the store that's willing to sell us the 151 says they have a brand new one in the box...but it's in Wichita Kansas, so I'll have to see if they will import it to the local store with no extra cost.

What a crazy week it's been so far! I started out looking primarily at the 500m for the bedroom, so we were (and still are- just in case) rearranging the bedroom to make everything fit, trying to decide who to buy from, looking for a good blu-ray HTIB- and then find out we might be able to afford a 151 for the living room...man...dilemmas abound.

And it will still be about another week or two before we can actually purchase the set and all this planning for 'what to do' and 'what to buy' is driving me crazy! But, I guess it's a good kind of crazy if I'm trying to figure out which Pioneer TV to buy.

Yeah- I think I have my heart set on buying it local if we can work on the price. The store has the 151 listed at 4900, but they would be willing to sell 'at cost' and maybe even below cost. So in the ball park of 3500-3700. I can't find a deal that beats that- even online...so I'm pretty surprised right now. Just hope I can swing that big of a price difference.

Almost seems too good to be true.

Might just be a great deal. But confirm that there's a reasonable return/exchange policy, just in case.

They are a pretty big chain store, dunno if they are national or not. But I chatted with them about their warranty and policy. Everyone I've known who's dealt with the store and their customer service always had nice things to say.

But thanks for looking out and giving me the tip though. I've gotten so many helpful tips and advice in the past week. I'm so thankful to everyone helping me out so far. I hope that within the next month I will have a pioneer and can contribute to these forums about my experience, and post some pictures on the Kuro pic thread.

I know this might sound bad, but I don't want to name the store exactly- because they said they only had one new-in-the-box 151 left, and I don't want to tip off too many people that might be in my area reading this....I feel dirty. Ha

Axis 343 If you are looking at the 151 at the Bestbuy chain and the two stores are serviced by the same distibution center then there is no charge to have it transported, it goes from store 1 to distribution center than sent to store 2, I recently did this with a pio sc-07 receiver.

Hi all, I'm about 4 months into my new 111FD and am noticing a slight lightness at the bottom of the screen when the set is displaying all black (e.g., no signal). I'm concerned that this is permanent image retention resulting from me using the TV only to watch college football (i.e., ESPN's scrolling score banner). Unfortunately I didn't stumble onto this site in time and did not use the recommended 150 hour burn-in procedure.

Any idea on whether this is now a permanent flaw in the set or if time and the appropriate effort can ameliorate the problem?

I've started running the video pattern once a week on Sunday or Monday after watching football, and ran it on and off for about 12 hours one day but haven't really seen a change.

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated... thanks.

I doubt that running a break-in (not burn-in.....that's what we're trying to avoid! ) would have made a difference. That's not what it's for.

Is this lighter area really prominent? Does it match the ticker exactly? If you really only use the panel for watching one type of content, with the same ticker running all the time, you probably do need to find a way to compensate for that. Definitely run the video pattern on a regular basis, and maybe even the break-in images from time to time. FWIW, one of my panels displays news channels ~80% of the time, and I have never noticed any IR related to the constant ticker display. These things are pretty resistant to that..

(Another consideration, just trying to see the bright side here....if this really is a single-use TV, you're probably never going to notice any resulting wear patterns during use, right? )

may be he should upload a pic

Ha, yeah, break-in, not burn-in. That's what I get for typing a question as soon as I wake up. In any case, I do watch movies on the TV periodically, so that's when I notice it... whenever there are very dark scenes. I can't see it at all if there are whites or colors at the bottom of the set.

As for the dimensions of the light area, no it doesn't match the ticker shape exactly, it's just a lighter shading at the bottom of the set right above the lower bevel... a bit of a fade up being brightest at the bevel.

I'll see if I can capture a pic tonight when it's fully dark in my room. It may be a challenge with the camera, but I'll see if I can get it with a longer exposure image.

Also, are/were you running Orbiter?

"Best" is fluid but I think most people would consider the Signature Elite 141FD the "best" 60' Kuro. If a monitor is suitable then yes the 600M is/was the best value among the 60' panels.

I realize this is probably irrelevant to your purchase decision.

I am now, but I may have had it off for the first month or so that I had the TV (I can't remember if I set it to off or to Mode 1).

You all shouldn't try so hard to convince people that IR isn't a problem. I somehow got that message but didn't catch the "except perhaps during the first 150 hours" caveat. Figured that I wouldn't have a problem since I wasn't playing games or anything like that...

If you really have a problem it may have happened no matter you might have done to prevent it. In any case run the video pattern for a while and if that doesn't help try the 10% stimulus field for a while.

IR can last much longer than you think.

It's not BestBuy exactly, but it's a store that is very similar to BB. And I found it odd that the guy at the store told me it might cost more to have it transferred.
Thank you for this bit of info though. I'll bring this up next time I talk to him. The employees work off commission so I was thinking it might have just been something he was saying to get a little extra money. *shrug*

If for some reason it would cost him extra to import it, and he charges a big sum, then I'm thinking of just renting a Uhaul and driving up to the other store. hehe



Not at all, I consider any info and opinions to be relevant and very helpful!

That's more of an urban legend around here than anything else.

Hmmm......most people? I respectfully disagree, but that's not relevant to his buying decision either. I reiterate that I think any given buyer is best advised to select the feature set that best suits his/her needs. All three 60" Kuros use the same service panel and can produce SOTA Kuro picture quality.

Anybody want to buy a 151 plasma real cheap???

OUCH!! Is there a back story here?

UPS will be paying for their screw-up.

Wonder if anything is salvageable on this besides the remote, base, and side speakers.

Probably most of the guts..... Was it shipped very far?

CA---------------TX

Wonder if I put it on EBAY it will fetch a few hundred...........hmmmmmmmmm?

Doesn't the seller want it back? Usually, you have to return the damaged shipment before they'll send you a new one. Both the seller and shipper want to see it rather than just take your word for it and send you a new one.

If I get the check from UPS this week, we will see if they want it back.
Seller does not want it.

Hate to be the barer of bad news but if this just happened there is probably no way you will see a check from UPS that fast. I had a damaged $3000 pre/pro destroyed by UPS and it took over three month's and lots of fighting before I ever saw the check.

Did they send an inspector out to right up a report? If not make sure you tell them you want an on site inspection, or the will just have a driver come and pick it up and ship it to their inspection center, then you would be minus money until they cut a check and minus the TV. I believe their insurance company is called Crawford so you will be dealing with them. I also found that UPS says they can't tell you, the buyer, anything because the seller (shipper) is their customer and not you. A major PITA I hope I never have to go through again. I would never let someone ship a plasma through UPS to me.

Good luck.

BTW I also had my first pro-141fd delivered cracked to me. PIC In my case the seller had the freight company pick it back up and sent back to them. They then sent me a replacement which made it in one piece.

Yeah, send a check and leave him the goods? I didn't think it could be that easy.....

Ok, I attached an image. It's a 14 second exposure taken in full dark with no source material. If I knew a way to link the picture instead of attach it, I would.

God, I wish I hadn't taken that picture. The 14 second exposure makes it look worse than it does in person. Now I'm getting depressed.

are those clustered dead pixels?

I'm sorry... I don't know what the 10% stimulus field is. Can you link me a reference?

I don't think so, the color looks much different with my eyes (a very light ghost white).... and just seem like a slight graying when looking at dark scenes in movies. It's imperceptible with any color source material.

I'm starting to feel worse and worse...