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post #21031 of 28727
11/12/09 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Hmmm......most people? I respectfully disagree... All three 60" Kuros use the same service panel and can produce SOTA Kuro picture quality.

Yes. But Pioneer does make some "objective" assertions about the Signature models that should result in marginal PQ improvements. I was also speaking in the context of the OP who speaks of small improvements as the metric for best.

Of course I may have misunderstood the reference to 101FD/500M improvements.
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post #21032 of 28727
11/12/09 at 8:21pm
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Originally Posted by cal3713 View Post

I'm sorry... I don't know what the 10% stimulus field is. Can you link me a reference?

A 10% stimulus field is a dim solid "gray" image that fills the screen. Calibration discs like AVSHD709 or GetGray are a common source.

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Q. I hear that plasma displays are subject to burn-in and need to be treated carefully.
a. ... A separate issue is temporary image retention (IR). IR is by definition temporary but it can last a surprisingly long time. The so-called video pattern is intended to remove IR. That may not always be the best thing to do and dim (10%) full-field patterns may be more helpful. xrox talks about dealing with Kuro IR in inverse areas.
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post #21033 of 28727
11/13/09 at 1:10am
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Wonder if I put it on EBAY it will fetch a few hundred...........hmmmmmmmmm?

It can be scrapped for spare parts.
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post #21034 of 28727
11/13/09 at 5:13am
Morning Gents ..

I have noticed an issue with sound for the last few days. It is especially noticeable when TV programming goes to commercial and back; I get a half a second or less of silence. I have also noticed this on my HD-XA2 when playing HD-DVDs and DVDs. Is there any history of units with this kind of sound loss anyone can appraise me of? Thx!
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post #21035 of 28727
11/13/09 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by Axis343 View Post

Oh, that's interesting about the 10g tech. Thanks for that bit, helps clear a lot up!

The no speakers/tuner are no big problem. No stand is what kills me with the 600m. Because even if I could find it cheaper then what the store is willing to sell me a 151, I have to price in a table top stand which is another 300-400 from what I've seen.

I'm leaning towards the 151. Taking a risk of having someone ship a 600m doesn't sit too well with me. I'm in Oklahoma, and the store that's willing to sell us the 151 says they have a brand new one in the box...but it's in Wichita Kansas, so I'll have to see if they will import it to the local store with no extra cost.

What a crazy week it's been so far! I started out looking primarily at the 500m for the bedroom, so we were (and still are- just in case) rearranging the bedroom to make everything fit, trying to decide who to buy from, looking for a good blu-ray HTIB- and then find out we might be able to afford a 151 for the living room...man...dilemmas abound.

And it will still be about another week or two before we can actually purchase the set and all this planning for 'what to do' and 'what to buy' is driving me crazy! But, I guess it's a good kind of crazy if I'm trying to figure out which Pioneer TV to buy.

Pro-151 hands down. This plasma simply smokes (not literally, of course).
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post #21036 of 28727
11/13/09 at 8:40am
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Originally Posted by alphamalex View Post

Morning Gents ..

I have noticed an issue with sound for the last few days. It is especially noticeable when TV programming goes to commercial and back; I get a half a second or less of silence. I have also noticed this on my HD-XA2 when playing HD-DVDs and DVDs. Is there any history of units with this kind of sound loss anyone can appraise me of? Thx!

How are you connected? HDMI I assume. Have you checked to make sure tha the connection is solid? Are you using a quality cable? Have you tried a different cable? If all of that is "yes." Have you tried powering down the panel and unplugging it for 5 minutes or more and then using it? Just ideas to try.
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11/13/09 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by tvshopper View Post

How are you connected? HDMI I assume. Have you checked to make sure tha the connection is solid? Are you using a quality cable? Have you tried a different cable? If all of that is "yes." Have you tried powering down the panel and unplugging it for 5 minutes or more and then using it? Just ideas to try.

+1

It's important to specify the exact audio path and connections for people to help diagnose the issue. It's also important to be very clear about the circumstances of the event.
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11/13/09 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

A 10% stimulus field is a dim solid "gray" image that fills the screen. Calibration discs like AVSHD709 or GetGray are a common source.

Thanks for the info. I guess I'll go to town on the video pattern and try to obtain a 10% stim field image and see what happens.

Do you think the image I posted looks like IR?
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post #21039 of 28727
11/13/09 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by cal3713 View Post

Do you think the image I posted looks like IR?

Not really. If that's an accurate representation of your panel with no signal I think there's something more serious than IR.
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post #21040 of 28727
11/13/09 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by cal3713 View Post

Ok, I attached an image. It's a 14 second exposure taken in full dark with no source material. If I knew a way to link the picture instead of attach it, I would.

God, I wish I hadn't taken that picture. The 14 second exposure makes it look worse than it does in person. Now I'm getting depressed.

It doesn't really look like IR to me. The light area isn't sharply defined enough. Some sort of light leakage, maybe?
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post #21041 of 28727
11/14/09 at 3:20am
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Originally Posted by billman1965 View Post

Hey Prepress, we all have constraints. Thats the wonderful thing about our "hobby" (obsession), its ALWAYS a work in progress!
I was wondering about Pure mode as well. What are the default settings of Pure mode? ( I bought a floor model)
Bill

Unfortunately, I don't remember as I've long since tweaked mine. I think Brightness was set to 30, though. Color and most others were flat.
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post #21042 of 28727
11/14/09 at 3:37am
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

My switch from Monoprice arrived today; I forgot that USPS delivers Priority Mail on holidays. Per request, I plan to post once I have it set up and running.

Okay, after one session, here's a preliminary report.

The switch is ridiculously easy to install and use and functions properly, first of all. No complaint. I have two devices connected sending both audio and video to the 111, my cable box (Scientific Atlanta) and an Oppo 83 in Auto output mode. The input the switch connects to is ISF-calibrated.

In viewing, images are definitely softer than they were through the EDGE, even HD ones. And I noted a disturbing number of audio dropouts with cable, many more than before the switch; I'll need to do a comparison and investigate further to know if the switch does this or the cable feed. Such a sudden, dramatic change is suspicious. No such problem with the Oppo.

I have a DVDO Duo on the way, so the switch will be in place for perhaps another 7-9 days.
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11/14/09 at 6:51am
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Not really. If that's an accurate representation of your panel with no signal I think there's something more serious than IR.

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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

It doesn't really look like IR to me. The light area isn't sharply defined enough. Some sort of light leakage, maybe?

So do you all think that I should just contact Pioneer? Any sense of whether the warranty will cover this type of issue?
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11/14/09 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by cal3713 View Post

So do you all think that I should just contact Pioneer? Any sense of whether the warranty will cover this type of issue?

I'd say contact them or your vendor, certainly. They may be able to diagnose the problem and find a remedy. IR isn't covered under the warranty typically, but again, i'd say your problem is something else than IR.
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post #21045 of 28727
11/14/09 at 11:39am
Update. I took the cable box out of the switch and put it into the display. The audio dropouts stopped. So there. Has anyone else using an HDMI switch had this?
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post #21046 of 28727
11/14/09 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

Update. I took the cable box out of the switch and put it into the display. The audio dropouts stopped. So there. Has anyone else using an HDMI switch had this?

But it only happens with the cable box? Seems very strange that it wouldn't occur with all sources coming though it. As a diagnostic, I'd swap the sources on the switch inputs.....just to make sure there's not a single bad path in the switch.
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post #21047 of 28727
11/14/09 at 1:46pm
I have what looks like a smudge or a print like somebody pressed the thumb on my glass. knowbody did of course. i tried wiping it with a microfiber cloth but it always comes back within minutes. i have several spots with this all over the glass.

I also tried dabbing the cloth on the tip of my tongue and cleaning it but it seems like it goes away and comes back worse. its really annoying and is bothering me.

How can i get rid of this? should i call pioneer? i got my 151 in july so i have plenty of time left on the warranty.
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post #21048 of 28727
11/14/09 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by prepress View Post

I'd say contact them or your vendor, certainly. They may be able to diagnose the problem and find a remedy. IR isn't covered under the warranty typically, but again, i'd say your problem is something else than IR.

Thanks for the help everybody...
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post #21049 of 28727
11/14/09 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

I have what looks like a smudge or a print like somebody pressed the thumb on my glass. knowbody did of course. i tried wiping it with a microfiber cloth but it always comes back within minutes. i have several spots with this all over the glass.

I also tried dabbing the cloth on the tip of my tongue and cleaning it but it seems like it goes away and comes back worse. its really annoying and is bothering me.

How can i get rid of this? should i call pioneer? i got my 151 in july so i have plenty of time left on the warranty.

First, don't use saliva to clean the glass. I doubt that it's a warranty issue that would get any response from Pioneer, unless you really think the coating is disintegrating or something. How many spots are there? What about location....are they randomly placed, more around the edges, etc? Are they uniform in size?

Any chance you could capture their appearance in a photo?
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11/14/09 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

First, don't use saliva to clean the glass. I doubt that it's a warranty issue that would get any response from Pioneer, unless you really think the coating is disintegrating or something. How many spots are there? What about location....are they randomly placed, more around the edges, etc? Are they uniform in size?

Any chance you could capture their appearance in a photo?

The spots are random, theres one on the left of the screen and theres one on the other side, but its not as big, they just look like spots. it looks like its on the inside of the glass.

I also see what looks like streaks? instead of the round smudges theres long lines on the glass. theres only 3 of them and there not that big.

These smudges seem like they came out of nowhere.
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11/14/09 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

But it only happens with the cable box? Seems very strange that it wouldn't occur with all sources coming though it. As a diagnostic, I'd swap the sources on the switch inputs.....just to make sure there's not a single bad path in the switch.

Well, I put the cable box in another input, and had one drop. Tomorrow, perhaps, I'll try the potential problem input with a DVD or BD. Or, since the new VP should be here in about a week, maybe just return it.
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post #21052 of 28727
11/14/09 at 6:27pm
What is MHT ?

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Originally Posted by Ranger View Post

well I have a dilemma...I am currently watching on a 34xbr960 in my den. I am thinking of getting the 151 for 3.5Gs (after MHT 12% coupon) for my upstairs bonus room. On the other hand, for the same 3.5Gs I can get a 500M to replace my 960 AND a Panny AE4000 for the bonus room. I can't decide which way to go. What would you guys do ?
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post #21053 of 28727
11/14/09 at 7:23pm
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Originally Posted by casperof1999 View Post

What is MHT ?

Probably Magnolia Home Theater.
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post #21054 of 28727
11/14/09 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by GoFRO View Post

Anybody want to buy a 151 plasma real cheap???


Uh, I must be missing something here, that does not look like a picture of an Elite 151. The surrounding bezel is too narrow?
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post #21055 of 28727
11/14/09 at 8:52pm
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

Uh, I must be missing something here, that does not look like a picture of an Elite 151. The surrounding bezel is too narrow?

Perhaps it's the angle of the photo. Without an object for scale it's hard to be sure but it looks about right. Plus there's the reflection of a Kuro box and packing material.
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post #21056 of 28727
11/14/09 at 8:54pm
Well does anybody know how to get rid of smudges on the kuros glass? i dont know what else to do. wiping it doesn't do anything. it slowly comes back.
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11/14/09 at 8:59pm
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Well does anybody know how to get rid of smudges on the kuros glass? ... it slowly comes back.

Then it's not a smudge, it's probably damage to the AR coating.
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11/14/09 at 9:04pm
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Perhaps it's the angle of the photo. Without an object for scale it's hard to be sure but it looks about right. Plus there's the reflection of a Kuro box and packing material.

OK, this is embarrassing.......

Looking at it again, what I saw as the bezel is actually just the inside edge of the bezel. I thought the reflection on the bezel was objects behind the TV!

I need to stop posting when I'm tired.
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11/14/09 at 10:05pm
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Then it's not a smudge, it's probably damage to the AR coating.

Well how would it be damage? i never touched the glass. those smudges just appeard. i got one little one to go away but this one towards the upper right corner of the screen wont leave.
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11/14/09 at 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Well does anybody know how to get rid of smudges on the kuros glass? i dont know what else to do. wiping it doesn't do anything. it slowly comes back.

Get a microfiber cloth, get it good and damp with distilled water, not dripping. Wipe down the entire surface several times. Dry off with dry microfiber cloth. You should be good.

Scotty
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