The Official Pioneer 9G Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 705

I'll jump in a bit late: "Judder" is normally used as shorthand for telecine judder which describes the unavoidable time errors introduced by converting 24hz content to 60hz bit it is also used to describe various motion errors caused by the relatively low film frame-rate. It sounds like you're talking about the fundamental limitations of film versus video.

However, do you have the same problem at the movie theatre?

You know, it has been such a long time since I've been to the theater, I couldn't tell you. That is one of the reasons why I have invested in the gear that I have. I can't recall noticing it as much when I had my Panasonic plasma though.

Some of the worst judder I've seen has been in a movie theatre. Some movies are almost perfect and others aren't. It's something that has always mystified me. If the judder is in the "source", all the tweaks you do in your HT setup won't make the slightest bit of difference, assuming the BD/DVD versions are true to the movie theatre one.

Motion artifacts in films are intrinsic to the subject or insufficient cinematography.

Most Panasonics don't do film frame-rates.

Mine certainly didn't. It was the 750, but why would I not have noticed judder with it and I do with my Pioneer 151 that can do film frame rates?

Some people really notice actual judder in telecined films and find it very annoying, while some other people find the look of 24fps even more annoying, since it is a relatively slow frame rate and they are sensitive to its inherent "jerkiness." You may be in the latter group. Since your Panasonic would have displayed all film-based content in a telecined format, it would have looked better to you than seeing that same content displayed at its native frame rate, which is what you see on your Kuro when you watch BDs (using STANDARD or ADVANCE PC Film Modes). When you use SMOOTH, you're getting a picture more like your Panasonic.

Does anyone here use a power conditioner? In the ~15 years ive had the home theater hobby ive not once had a piece of gear fail on me so I guess its kind of a dumb question. But THIS seems like a good deal but I don't think it will do much for me other than look good.

Id like to get D-Nice's opinion on this.


Thanks in advance .

YES!!! Two PS Audio Power Plant Premier's in my system power everything excecpt my two JL Audio F113 subs due to power demands on the subs.

I have run my system exclusiely on one form or another of the PS Audio Power Plants since 1998. I would not even think of running from the wall as the direct power from the wall sucks. Power variations, THD around 2.5% to 5%, and other noise and gunk just mucks up everything, including my KURO. On the Power Plant, it is reeeeeeeeally nice!

the Belkin may do something, what I don't know, but you should look into a good conditioner, definitely.

Another question, this is pretty OT but I figured this would be a good place to ask this.

I used to be a Tivo owner many years ago and I still find myself grabbing for my remote to review a play in a football game or to listen to something again while the news in on.

So my question is this, is there a high def Tivo that would work well with our Kuros ?

Hi James! Yes, the HD TiVos work really nicely. I use Series 3s, their first HD unit, but that's not available anymore. Now they have the TiVo HD and the HD XL (which is the one most comparable to the S3s that I use). I really prefer these tuners to the Comcast cable boxes.

On a related note:
D-Nice suggests whole house surge protector
by Leviton.

It may depend upon where you live, the time of day you watch/listen, and the quality of the power coming to your wall outlet. I use two Tripplites and have no complaint. In a big city power fluctuations are frequent, power can be dirty, and the circuits in gear prefer clean, steady power. I actually heard a difference on a turntable with and without a conditioner: without, the sound was grainy; with, clean and smooth.

People claim there are video improvements too. I'd be hard-pressed to tell on that, but a conditioner or regulator provides an extra layer of protection. It's one place to plug everything. And, very low voltage can be hard on electronic circuits, so in the case of brownout there are options, especially if the unit in question has a UPS.

I had my previous TV saved from a surge due to lightning strike because my conditioning equipment intercepted it. So I am officially prejudiced.

 

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I have the PF-31. Works like a charm. However, whole house surge protection is better.

Speaking of UPS. Does anyone have any idea what power rating we would need for a UPS dedicated to a 600M only?? I feel like I've heard 425W power consumption at peak.

Wouldn't that information be listed in the specifications of your owners manual? Just a thought, as to get the info correct and immediate...

Do you notice a difference in picture quality with the Belkin?

No. Should I?

You might with audio. For video you would have to visually compare. Someone that just study's charts wont be able to tell you.

Where can I find a whole house version of the PF-31?
I suppose whole house makes sense as id like clean power getting to my garbage disposal and washer and dryer.

I back up what my trained eyes see with raw data. You cannot say the same (you can't even say you know what the white point D65 looks like on different stimuli levels).

Snide remarks can never compensate for your lack of video presentation intelligence. Its sad when I can say I know more about the 151FD you own that you ever will because you lack the capacity make the relationship between instruments, raw data and what you visually see.

Please read bodosom's post.

Is this the same 'trained' eyes that prefers 480i and using the kuros substandard chip over using a upconverters superior picture? You still use 480i?

The reason I asked is many power conditioners claim improved picture quality and I wondered if that was your experience.

Through your local Electrical Supply store or through an electrician, but it wouldn't be a pf31...

Have you looked into "Richard Gray" ? I use one of "THESE"

I don't watch DVDs anymore When it comes to my sat box, yes I let my Kuros do the conversions as I know the video processor in them are better than what is in the HR/H series sat boxes.

When it comes to my clients, it all depends on what equipment they have and what they prefer.

when in the zues, you're not supposed to feed the animals...

Not suprised. Only real videophiles still watch dvd.



You put your sat box in 480i? Lmao. Guranteed the box is better when in 1080i or 1080p.



Unless they have a NON progressive dvd player, ANY well regarded dvd player will blow away the kuro's upscaling. Everytime.