The Official Pioneer 9G Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread - Page 706

gotta admit, that made me lol...

gotta give him credit for one thing though, he IS a persistent little dude...

And--- Relentless!

Using big words that you don't comprehend still?



I put my DirecTV box in Native. If you think the HR/H series boxes process video better than a Kuro, you're dumber than I thought you were (yes, that was an insult).


Please provide the data to backup your claim as your eyes are not worth an ounce of manure.

Native as in 480i on the format button on your remote? Do you realize you are not even watching HD?



You and your data. EVERY single tv i have had hooked up to just a dvd player with 480i the tv's chip fails every single time with the jaggies test. I don't need data to see that. You will never get near HD running 480i.

Page 105 of the manual says 4.1A @ 120V for the 600M and 3.3A for the 500M. The KRP FAQ notes:

Given that the manual says 396W for the 500M I'd go with 500W for a 600M. I believe that suggests 700VA (750VA is probably more common) as a minimum.

D-Nice is the upconversion chip in the KRP-500m just as good as the Elites?

Its this post right that proves your ignorance. Please visit DirecTV's website and download the manual for the HR series DVRs or H series HD sat boxes and see what the Native feature does.


Ah, so you have no real data. You have already proven your ID10T cognitive capacity. Unless you can actually provide raw data from a reputable source, the error is you.

They are the same.

On the internet, many people are.

I call it internet muscles.

Thank you!

I've seen no proof that power conditioners no matter the price improve anything that wasn't fundamentally broken in the first place. For some reason the folks who claim you can only hear or see the differences can't even be bothered to put the equipment to a blind A/B/C test, let alone ask someone like an ISF calibrator who's qualified to measure and compare accuracy in a repeatable manner.

One reviewer who actually bothered to measure the AC spectrum with and without a power conditioner discovered just as much noise in the audible range, and slightly less high-frequency. He then went on to conclude how great that was since high-frequency noise can create lower harmonics ignoring the fact that high-frequency noise is easily induced after the fact, and easily reduced in audio applications with a low pass filter.

I bought a whole house surge arrestor years ago from a local lighting store. It was only like $50, and it just installed in the electric panel like a couple of circuit breakers. They just slapped in to each of the power bars, and then I had to connect up the ground. Unfortunately, I haven't seen it again since.

Whole house is definitely the way to go as you need a low impedance path to ground at the point of entry if you want to keep any sort of significant surge out of your house, and it's a lot cheaper than connecting series protectors and/or line isolators to every piece of equipment that can still be foiled if a surge is high enough voltage to arc.

I know what native is. Since you say you only let the kuro do the processing i'll assume it's in 480i like you said you leave it in. Unless it's switches format's from 480i to 1080i, which i highly doubt. You are not even watching HD.





Yup the error is me. It's not like i have not tested many crt and digital tv's with many players and every single time when the dvd player is in 480i it has jaggies galore. But this is something you have to SEE. You know, with your own eyes. It's not suprising either you can not see a difference with upconversion on dvd players set to 1080i-p, and leave it in 480i. I guess your data did not help you there, or your sat box. But don't listen to me, you obviously know it all.

Let me hold you hand Zues and explain it to you since you seem incapable of doing it on your own.

Native mode on the HR/H series DirecTV boxes is a video pass through feature that ensures the box does not do any upscaling/downscaling to the video signal (all sat/cable boxes processes the signal in one way or another). That mean when I'm watching ESPN, the signal sent from the Sat box to my Kuro is 720p. When I'm watching NickJr with the kids, 480i is sent to the panel. If I'm watching HDTH, CNN, Syfy, HBOHD, HDNet, or any other 1080i channel, my panel receives a 1080i signal.

You would know what Native means and does if you actually took the time to research it.

The rest of your post is a waste as it is filled with your typical ID10T incompetence.

1080i on the box is still better for sd channels

can't we be civil and discuss as grown mature adults. i don't think we need to use words like " your eyes are not worth an ounce of manure " to drive home a message.

I thought some where in this Forum, I read, that it's better to set the BOX (in my case TWC) to output only 1080i and let the Pioneer do the rest, because it takes longer to change channels on account the box takes longer to lock on to 720i,1080i & 480i.

Should I set the BOX to output 480i,720i & 1080i to get the best performance?

HH

Speak for yourself.

I have an SA8300HD cable box and set it to pass through to my 111FD, which is the equivalent of native. IMO, it provides the best overall performance. Taking a couple of seconds to lock in a picture doing a resolution change is of no consequence to me, but I do understand a lot of people don't like it. I rarely watch SD on cable anymore and almost everything I watch is 1080i, with a small dollop of 720p thrown in. I disagree that SD upconverted to 1080i by a sat/cable box looks good, but that's just me. I set my SA box to ignore 480i and let it send 480p instead. 480p can look semi-decent, depending on the quality of the channel being watched. Using 480p also eliminates deinterlacing that would be required for 480i.

PQ (what I was discussing) and convenience (what you are referring to) are two different items. If you do want to wait on resolution changes, why not just use passthrough with component cables. You will get the same PQ as letting the box do the conversions for you minus HDCP handshakes

if you do not know the history, please stay out of the conversation.

None of the above.

Native/passthrough is the best and if your box doesn't support it, then I guess you're stuck going with 1080i.

Yes, channel changing takes longer in native mode, but in the case of the Pioneer it also will allow for different settings based on the resolution, which means for my TV it automatically switches to Wide mode for SD content and hence I don't have to bother.

So it all depends on your priorities. I own a DVR and don't do much channel surfing.

I'm using HDMI, if I go back to component, are you saying, it will still deliver a quality picture and not have the lag associated with HDMI?

I want PQ and Convenience, is it possible?

HH

My choices are:
AUTO SELECT
480i
480P
720P
1080i

No pass through

HH

The HDMI Control settings on my 151FD is set to Input-4, which is my connection from AVR-OUT to the Panel.

Upon power-up, I get a brief error message displayed as CEC004. I'm not sure why this occurs, but the Kuro manual just confuses me when I try to figure out what it's saying to configure my hardware, the sequence etc... Has anyone seen this and/or can clue me in as to what I'm not setting properly? Thanks in advance!


Here is the Error Code:

The Device Can Not Be Operated.
Please Check The Connection.
(CEC004)

In my Home Theater system I also use a PS Audio Power Plant Premier power conditioner for my Kuro 151, BD player, and TiVo series 3 while I run a PS Audio Duet passive conditioner for my Denon 4308 receiver and SVS subwoofer.

I have a separate dedicated audio system that I now use different power conditioners including Balanced Power Technology and Audience Adept Response but like you I've used various older PS Audio conditioners there in the past since about 1990.

I was going to say a spanking is in order, but looks like you just gave it to him. LOL. I'm not sure why you waste your time or energy.

Not trying to dis you Zues, but aren't you the same guy who says that Visio Plasma's have a much sharper image than the Pioneer and the Panasonic?

Why should everyone have to see this type of derogatory language? This "conversation" should move to PM's if you guys want to deride each other...BTW I am not "in the conversation"

And do you find picture quality improved with the Gray as opposed to plugged into the wall?

Thanks - that's exactly what I needed to know. I never know how to find the equivalent VA rating from watts.

So turn HDMI control off.

Well mostly. HDMI is a rich digital protocol and any changes to the signal require a new HDMI handshake between the source and the display. Component is simple-minded analog (no handshaking) but it carries the same HD video. Since your set top box doesn't do 1080p you don't have to worry about the fact that nearly all 1080p content is limited to HDMI (even if the orignal source is not HD).


Then your life is simpler or much more difficult.