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post #22141 of 30259
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Originally Posted by soncomet View Post

I had David Abrams out a few days ago to calibrate my 101FD.

Thanks for your calibration report. I've included it in the flat panel (Post#2) list that's linked at the bottom of my post.
post #22142 of 30259
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Originally Posted by soncomet View Post

I had David Abrams out a few days ago to calibrate my 101FD. The set looked great before using some settings I got from the calibration forums. However, the initial measurements showed that while gamma was great with those settings, blue was pretty low, and red was too high among other issues. After he dialed in the set it looks fantastic. The image just appears to have more depth to it, and the colors went from looking washed out to being saturated and very real looking. Planet Earth, Zombieland, and Moon have all looked fantastic so far. Overall, well worth the investment.

David will be out next week to calibrate my 151FD and 500M, can't wait...
post #22143 of 30259
today is the big day!!! my 101fd comes today between 4 and 8, and I cannot wait for it. I will break it in this week, then a trip home to chicago for a week and a half, and then I come back and enjoy it.
post #22144 of 30259
outstanding!...let me know how it goes & what mount etc you choose...

& pics!...mine should arrive later this month...
post #22145 of 30259
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Originally Posted by SIRL0INofBEEF View Post

today is the big day!!! my 101fd comes today between 4 and 8, and I cannot wait for it. I will break it in this week, then a trip home to chicago for a week and a half, and then I come back and enjoy it.

Congratulations! Mine is coming next week, and so I know how you feel!
post #22146 of 30259
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Originally Posted by soncomet View Post

I had David Abrams out a few days ago to calibrate my 101FD. The set looked great before using some settings I got from the calibration forums. However, the initial measurements showed that while gamma was great with those settings, blue was pretty low, and red was too high among other issues. After he dialed in the set it looks fantastic. The image just appears to have more depth to it, and the colors went from looking washed out to being saturated and very real looking. Planet Earth, Zombieland, and Moon have all looked fantastic so far. Overall, well worth the investment.

soncomet,

Thank you for your kind words, I am thrilled to hear you are enjoying the benefits of a properly calibrated display device!

Good Pictures!

Dave
post #22147 of 30259
my baby is here!!!!! i ordered a 101fd, and it got here today. It looks great so far, and the black levels are amazing!!! At some points i could not tell the difference between my bezel and the screen. There is a little light in the room, but still awesome. I watched some tv, and now i will be running the break-in slides tonight while i sleep. So happy with the tv already, and cant wait to get it broken in and calibrated. Updates to follow.
post #22148 of 30259
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Originally Posted by SIRL0INofBEEF View Post

my baby is here!!!!! i ordered a 101fd, and it got here today. It looks great so far, and the black levels are amazing!!! At some points i could not tell the difference between my bezel and the screen. There is a little light in the room, but still awesome. I watched some tv, and now i will be running the break-in slides tonight while i sleep. So happy with the tv already, and cant wait to get it broken in and calibrated. Updates to follow.

Sounds like you're enjoying it! Are you getting it professionally calibrated soon? (Just curious why you're running the slides.)

PS: No need to double-post....we all read the same threads.
post #22149 of 30259
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Sounds like you're enjoying it! Are you getting it professionally calibrated soon? (Just curious why you're running the slides.)

PS: No need to double-post....we all read the same threads.

While you preach that running break-in slides serve no purpose unless using D-Nice's offsets, there is a correlation between performing the break-in procedure and NOT having temporary IR. Considering it's a $3k+ investment, which for those without deep pockets likely find to be a significant amount of money, it's an intelligent decision to take precautionary measures. Can't fault the guy for treating a baby like a baby!
post #22150 of 30259
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Originally Posted by esp2684 View Post

there is a correlation between performing the break-in procedure and NOT having temporary IR.

Please feel free to provide proof of this. (All IR is temporary, it's part of the definition.)

It's up to you if you choose to make unsubstantiated claims as long as you don't couch them in terms that suggest otherwise.

I'll feel free to quote from the source (all emphasis D-Nice):
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Recommended 150 (150 hours non-stop) Hour Panel Aging settings for Pioneer 500M/600M/101FD/141FD (ONLY to be used with Evangelo2's DVD!!!!!!!!)

*****Note: This procedure is designed to be performed only during the first 150 hours of the display's lifespan. This procedure is designed to equally and evenly age all pixels and ensure the reference settings listed below provide maximum satisfaction. This procedure is NOT designed nor recommended to be used as Image Retention and/or Burn-in prevention. ...*****
post #22151 of 30259
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Originally Posted by esp2684 View Post

While you preach that running break-in slides serve no purpose unless using D-Nice's offsets, there is a correlation between performing the break-in procedure and NOT having temporary IR. Considering it's a $3k+ investment, which for those without deep pockets likely find to be a significant amount of money, it's an intelligent decision to take precautionary measures. Can't fault the guy for treating a baby like a baby!

I was neither preaching, nor tossing around unsubstantiated conjecture, nor "faulting the guy." I was asking him a question, which your contribution doesn't answer or even address.
(Now that I think of it, though, I might be inclined to fault somebody who thinks a television is a baby...)

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PS regarding your comments on break-in: bodosom pretty much covered it, but maybe he should have added this recent post....
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Originally Posted by esp2684 View Post

..... I'm of the "if it's good enough for D-Nice, it's good enough for me" variety when it comes to these plasma's; no one on these forums knows more about the Pioneer panels (and maybe Panny, as well) than him.
post #22152 of 30259
whatevs...it cant hurt
post #22153 of 30259
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Please feel free to provide proof of this. (All IR is temporary, it's part of the definition.)

It's up to you if you choose to make unsubstantiated claims as long as you don't couch them in terms that suggest otherwise.

I recently came across this post a few pages back that was addressing the Pioneer inhouse pre-aging process, but this suggests Pioneer takes precautionary measures, so why shouldn't we?

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Originally Posted by MitchPope View Post

I remember seeing the 100 hours as well, but can't remember where. It does say in the material that comes with the TV (in the box from Yoichi Sato):

Phosphor Pre-Aging - Every signature series Elite KURO monitor goes through a factory pre-aging process in which all the plasma cells are turned on and off repeatedly. This stabilizes the phosphor in each cell to reduce the risk of temporary image retention.
post #22154 of 30259
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Originally Posted by esp2684 View Post

I recently came across this post a few pages back that was addressing the Pioneer inhouse pre-aging process, but this suggests Pioneer takes precautionary measures, so why shouldn't we?

1) They already did (and so does every other plasma manuf.).
2) Pioneers suggests things that are provably false for marketing purposes.

Take your pick.
post #22155 of 30259
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

I was neither preaching, nor tossing around unsubstantiated conjecture, nor "faulting the guy." I was asking him a question, which your contribution doesn't answer or even address.
(Now that I think of it, though, I might be inclined to fault somebody who thinks a television is a baby...)

The last thing I was trying to do was step on anyone's toes by answering a question you had. I was merely contributing what this thread addresses.

PS. The baby reference was simply a metaphor to infer responsibility for how the tv is cared for. Now
post #22156 of 30259
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

1) They already did (and so does every other plasma manuf.).
2) Pioneers suggests things that are provably false for marketing purposes.

Take your pick.

Where is this stated? There's probably a reason that Pioneer panels are more resilient to IR/burn-in than, say, Samsung.
post #22157 of 30259
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Originally Posted by esp2684 View Post

The last thing I was trying to do was step on anyone's toes by answering a question you had. I was merely contributing what this thread addresses.

PS. The baby reference was simply a metaphor to infer responsibility for how the tv is cared for. Now

I get that....lots of folks here call their TV their "baby." As someone who's raised kids and has seen more HT components come and go over the years than I care to admit, I don't experience that "attachment" and I just find the metaphor kind of amusing.

Look, I understand the interest in avoiding BI.....I have two Kuros myself and I'd be pretty pi**ed if the image were permanently impaired that way. But just as with other venues (think FOX News ), repetition doesn't make something true if it had no authoritative foundation to begin with. Here on the threads, urban legends are easily perpetuated this way.

Nobody just coming into the Kuro threads would have the time (or insanity) to read the whole thing. If they did, they'd find that this discussion of break-in and its purpose comes up frequently and has been hashed out every which way you can imagine. And every time, the result is the same: no evidence is ever produced that correlates BI vulnerability to using the solid-image break-in procedure. People claiming otherwise just reference other people who've repeated other people, who've repeated other people, ad infinitum, all right here on the forum. (It's like a dog chasing its tail, only there's no dog.) And it remains that Pioneer, who has a clear monetary interest in minimizing warranty claims, doesn't recommend any type of special treatment during the panels' early hours of use. It'd be no skin off their back to do so, but instead, they simply issue common-sense guidelines for use over the life of the panel.

The bottom line is that there is only one specified use for the formal break-in procedure. Some owners use it for other reasons- it's an easy way to quickly accumulate hours on the panel prior to calibration, for example- but there's just no indication that it makes panels more robust or resilient in any way. Common sense usage patterns, maintained all the time, are the only way to protect the panels from burn-in.
post #22158 of 30259
Is it just me, or does there seem to be a spate of 101FDs suddenly on the market? There have been a number of new 101 owners here recently, and my own dealer left me a voicemail a couple days ago that they've "come into some 101s," in case I was interested.

Seems the availability of new Elites has been pretty spotty for awhile now, so I'm just curious what's up with all these 101s......
post #22159 of 30259
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Seems the availability of new Elites has been pretty spotty for awhile now, so I'm just curious what's up with all these 101s......

I'd guess that they sat in warehouses as people spent less $ buying 500Ms, until the supply of 500Ms pretty much ran out around Christmas and left the people still wanting an Elite Kuro not many options.
post #22160 of 30259
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Originally Posted by p59teitel View Post

I'd guess that they sat in warehouses as people spent less $ buying 500Ms, until the supply of 500Ms pretty much ran out around Christmas and left the people still wanting an Elite Kuro not many options.

That makes sense, I guess, though it seems like they shouldn't have to discount them so much if they're down to the very last panels. If I had a place for another TV, I'd pick one up, but I just don't have a spot for it. (I think the 50" Kuros have the best PQ on the planet......)
post #22161 of 30259
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Is it just me, or does there seem to be a spate of 101FDs suddenly on the market? There have been a number of new 101 owners here recently, and my own dealer left me a voicemail a couple days ago that they've "come into some 101s," in case I was interested.

Seems the availability of new Elites has been pretty spotty for awhile now, so I'm just curious what's up with all these 101s......

I was planning to buy a Panasonic V25 or U20, but after a month of "black level" issue posts, I looked or an alternative. I also read on this site that certain BBs had Kuros in stock, if not on the floor.

I simply walked into the Magnolia section and asked, sure enough they had a couple of 101s at a good price.

Solved all my problems at once! Delivery next week.
post #22162 of 30259
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Originally Posted by SIRL0INofBEEF View Post

today is the big day!!! my 101fd comes today between 4 and 8, and I cannot wait for it. I will break it in this week, then a trip home to chicago for a week and a half, and then I come back and enjoy it.

Congrats, you now own a Kuro with the best pq of any plasma ever made. My 500M has given me immeasurable enjoyment, best money I have ever spent.
post #22163 of 30259
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Originally Posted by progprog View Post

Is it just me, or does there seem to be a spate of 101FDs suddenly on the market?

I think a lot of these are coming from Magnolia. People are reporting BB stocks in the 1-200 range in various areas but I have no idea why some stores willing to sell them for a discount. Perhaps because people didn't ask after them so much in the past -- the belief that a monitor is deficient relative to a TV is pervasive as is the feeling that a 60" panel is a life-altering experience compared to a 50" one.
post #22164 of 30259
All of the warehouses in Texas were recently flushed of their 101FD stock. Each BB store supposedly received 5 to 6 units. I was in my local BB at the same time they were putting up the display unit.
post #22165 of 30259
Hi guys, I have a 141, and I'm looking for a slim/low profile wall mount. What wall mounts do you guys use?
post #22166 of 30259
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Originally Posted by pgvozdas View Post

I have the 151 and its original box. It's a huge box. Is it worth keeping for moving purposes or is it better just to have the moving company wrap the TV as is? I'm not moving any time soon, just considering it for the future.

Keep the box !!!
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Originally Posted by SIRL0INofBEEF View Post

today is the big day!!! my 101fd comes today between 4 and 8, and I cannot wait for it. I will break it in this week, then a trip home to chicago for a week and a half, and then I come back and enjoy it.

Feels like saturday I got my Kuro ...oh it was : )
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Originally Posted by SIRL0INofBEEF View Post

my baby is here!!!!! i ordered a 101fd, and it got here today. It looks great so far, and the black levels are amazing!!! At some points i could not tell the difference between my bezel and the screen. There is a little light in the room, but still awesome. I watched some tv, and now i will be running the break-in slides tonight while i sleep. So happy with the tv already, and cant wait to get it broken in and calibrated. Updates to follow.

Blacks are Amazing and thats the first thing I noticed was the black on the screen matched so well with the frame I couldnt tell if it was wide screen or not thats when I new I found my dream display a Kuro
post #22167 of 30259
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Originally Posted by caunyd View Post

Hi guys, I have a 141, and I'm looking for a slim/low profile wall mount. What wall mounts do you guys use?

On the very previous page I asked the same (almost the same) question. Check this link out as it helped me out. I just don't know if I have to mount it yet, or not.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post15818201
post #22168 of 30259
I don't think my Auto mode is working. If I cover the sensor nothing happens to the picture. In Controlcal I didn't see anywhere to turn on the sensor, etc?


bob
post #22169 of 30259
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

I don't think my Auto mode is working. If I cover the sensor nothing happens to the picture. In Controlcal I didn't see anywhere to turn on the sensor, etc?


bob

The changes are gradual, not instantaneous. And per Turbe, it comes on automatically when ISFccc Auto is selected, regardless of panel settings:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post18147339
post #22170 of 30259
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

bodosom is correct, each isf Auto has it's own Controls, you can adjust them however you want and independent of the other memories.. many do copy their isf Day settings over to isf Auto (and enable Intelligence) though.

What does intelligence actually do? Should it only be on in ISF Auto (PRO-101)?


thx

bob

ps: Contolcal rocks
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